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Posted: 13 years ago
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My cousin's son made his wife give up her seat in MS because she would have no time to take care of kitchen while she studied.

He doesn't hit her or anything but every time he does something that goes against the grain, I ask her to answer him back. Had to stop because one day she said "Mausi lagta hai aap mera divorce karva ke rahoge"

I wish the girl would stand up for herself, and I wish I had met the girl before she got married to that lump of lard, but somewhere I don't why I stopped driving sense into her. Probably it was the fear of being labelled a home-breaker.

So I understand where you are coming from Rima. In my younger days, every time one of my aunts would ask me to get married, I would ask them "Are you happy with your marriage? Do you want me to lead the same kind of life you are leading?" No one pressurized me after this question.

Honestly, there is no solution to the problem of DV in India.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Chitrashi



Honestly, there is no solution to the problem of DV in India.

This is perfectly true...one show on this subject is not going to help in any way.
It was different with the Child sexual abuse because he explained to kids about how to prevent themselves from being abused and parents of many kids in my building had asked them to watch that part and understand it.
But domestic violence is not going to change by this one show. I am particularly mentioning this because the maid in my house came to work half way through the programme. She identified the programme as soon as she saw Aamir Khan. I asked her whether she watches it...she told me that she saw the start of her programme and she knew that it is about 'husbands beating their wives' and her husband gave her a slap and sent her off to work because she tried to watch this programme. How is that???
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Great comments by Chitrashi and especially Znursingh here!👏

In my opinion reasons why women tolerate everything are clearly a function of patriarchy and whole lifetime of conditioning:

- Women themselves do not support women. Several MILs encourage their sons to beat up the DILs to set them right or keep them in control. Many women advise each other to only keep silent and bear abuse ''for sake of family or institution of marriage or kids''. The onus of keeping the ''rishta'' alive is thrust wholly on the wife only!🤢

- I myself got rebuked by my grandmother as a kid whenever I would fight with my brother or protest over my space or my share of things. She would say, ''So what? He's your brother!Sisters should be ready to make any sacrifice for their brothers and never compete or protest!'' And my brother beating me at times, would be laughed off saying a bit of aggressive behaviour is males' style of interaction!🤢 Would you believe they said, ''Maarte bhi toh apnon ko hi hain! Har kisi pe haath thode na uthaate hain!'' 😡

Years later I see same attitude being fostered in my little cousin whose parents scold her whenever she complains that her brother beat her up. They rather yell at her for being a whiner and complaining too much. And once beat her up when she beat her brother in retaliation! They have told her not to complain and not to retaliate! Rather tell her to stay in her own room.

What kind of reasoning is this? Stay isolated if you have problem. Or bear things quietly or take it as sign of love and possessiveness if being beaten?!!!😲 It happens even in educated families with riches and comfortable means of living too!

The worst part is that women themselves condition their daughters, sisters and fellow women to accept such notions and bear abuse.

- Boys are encouraged to be rough and violent. If they are even least bit gentle or sensitive they are ridiculed and joked about. Even men themselves start wondering if their son is a proper man or not. Do you know? There is a custom in certain villages of Punjab wherein the father distributes sweets to the neighbourhood when his son utters his first ''gaali''?🤢 They consider it as a rite of passage and a sign that their boy has ''become a man''! We have totally warped definitions of what constitutes masculinity!

Men are told to be aggressive, beat up kids and wives to keep them in control. Those men are praised whose family members are dead scared of them!

- In general, women are told from childhood that they are inferior, threatened (no wonder we have songs with lyrics like ''Mundeyan ton bach ke rahi!'') and need to be protected. They are told even in school/colleges that their primary place is at home and taking orders of husband, kids, in-laws.
I remember once a boy at school who used to sit next to me used to harass me a lot by kicking me from time to time or misplacing my notebooks. I would complain a lot against him. My class teacher did take action against him. Punished him and changed his seat. But she called to me too and whispered that the real world is worst and I should rather learn to live with ''certain things'' than keep complaining all the time! She said, ''You're a girl and you should not complain much!'' 😒

That was when I was 11. And till date I remember and cringe at this incident. I despise that teacher's remark more than what the boy did to me!

We are told we are not to complain. We are made butt of jokes if we ''only top in class'' but do not do work at home or know exact names of dals and spices. We are told not to complain too much. We are told to stay inside or stay aloof and isolated to save ourselves. It's our karma or luck which is held responsible for what we face. The aggressor, that man (namard really!) is just behaving in a natural way!🐷 The only problem is with us - the females!!

I am angered to no ends to see how women are given ''vaasta'' of izzat, rishta, parivaar etc. when they decide to speak out or take action (say, file a case) but there is no question of izzat or the rishta breaking up if a bas***d man is at fault for initiating the mess in first place by beating or abusing the woman!

You should see tweets today from men who thought this episode was anti-men and that domestic violence is no big deal because some women do deserve a slap for the nonsense they talk or do!🤬

Women are told to always suppress their emotion. Plus, women are mostly considered fools or less intelligent. People still believe a woman knows less and speaks bullshit. Aise hi bolti hai, kuch bhi bolti hai! So even if they are earning or at some position in life, they are silenced.

If a woman says she is also earning and knows ways of world outside, then the male ego gets hurt and they flamboyantly declare the house can run without her salary too and she need not work! Her job is not important and she need not throw her weight around (even if her salary is more than the man's).

Even women's education and job are not taken seriously. Men still think THEY run the world!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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omg @ what u wrote annika

and @ the twiitter parade: really am not surprised. the young minds which will make india is already polluted with their stubborn ness and the thinking .. omg. it disgusts me. 😡
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@Annika

I was about your age when a boy tried harassing me the same way, I took out my compass box and hit him on the head with it. The teacher asked me not to hit people and I was like, "but Miss, didn't you say taking things that didn't belong to you was stealing so you should scold him also". Somehow don't remember getting bullied much at school.

As for those tweets, that's just a repetition of what my Dad said on this seeing this episode. Posted about the encounter a bit earlier. But then my family knows that I'm one person who's kind of difficult to suppress.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I remember Chitrashi when I had retaliated against a bullying male classmate once and even answered back my teacher, she instead started scolding me in front of the whole class and told me I was a girl and needed to be in my limits.

You know? Even that boy's friends came up to me and told me ''Do you know what he is? Do you know what he can do with you? Instead of behaving like this, you should be thankful that he spared you. Being a girl you be careful. Usne tumhara lihaaj kar liya!'' 😡

And all this happened in Class 6 when we were 11. Imagine! Boys even at that age, threatened and ''knew'' what worst stuff they could do to a girl!🤢

I said it's all our culture. That includes pop culture too, wherein girls are put in place by threatening even more violence or rape. Kids also pick up from there.

And I would not just blame men for the mess. Sorry the women are equally to blame for conditioning girls this way and even encouraging violence as MILs or any other position of influence they have.

All that one needs to say to a girl to thwart her is ''Tum ladki ho'' as if being ladki is some crime or something! Or as if it means you will forever be at mercy of others so stay in your ''limit''.😲
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Posted: 13 years ago
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This episode was good. It showed how bad the situation was, but also showed that you can get out of it.

I loved that old lady. She was hilarious! I also got to learn what "pati" meant. LOL...that's one word I won't refer to my future husband by 😆

Coming to the issue of domestic violence...it can lead to deaths as well.

There was a case here, Indian couple who came recently from India. The wife was studying, and working. The husband would work somewhere, then quit, then work somewhere else etc
Her parents paid for their tickets, and supported them for the first couple of months. They were also paying for their daughter's fees...and dollars into rupees is a whole lot of money.

The husband used to basically, take all the money (from the joint bank account) she used to make and send it to India. Every single time. So, the girl decided to make a separate account because she wanted to pay for her own fees.

Anyway, the abuse started after she made that separate account.

They lived in the same apartment with another newly married couple from India. They obviously KNEW about the abuse, but kept it quiet because "it's not a big deal. it's not that bad".

Anyway, one day, he came home and they all had dinner and went to their bedrooms. He called his mum up, was on the phone to his mother...locked the door...proceeded to beat the shit out of the girl...used a knife and slashed her face and neck many times to ensure she was dead.
The mother had told him to "just kill and dispose!" and she was on the phone the WHOLE time.

The other couple finally broke down the door (I'm pretty damn sure they only decided to take action when she must have REALLY cried for help 🤢)...so the guy ran away.

Now, he had hidden a bag in the bushes where he had his wallet and clothes...and slipped into the night.

But, he forgot this isn't India. The police acted quickly and found out he had purchased a train ticket...went to the toilets and changed his clothes etc...they found out where he was headed to, and two undercover cops started trailing him.

He travelled to another major city. They followed him all the way until his friend came to meet him. They then arrested the guy. He was arrested the very next day.

Now meanwhile, in India, the killer's mother called the girl's parents in India saying something along the lines of, "serves you right. your useless daughter is no more".

He's in jail now. Forget for how long. But we know some people who work in the jail as security, and this one uncle knew nothing about the case and you know what the killer is telling him? Some REAL sob story. and of course, like it was mentioned in Satyamev Jayate...that she was cheating on him. My dad immediately corrected him.

Why do I know so much? The girl used to work in our business.


It angers me that we have retards like the killer, the killer's mother and even the other couple who lived with them.

Oh, and another point. The girl's sister and her family also lived here. That night, a bit before he came home (which was pretty late), the girl had gone to her sister's house and complained. Her sister told her, "look, go home now. We will discuss this tmr and ask him to explain himself and then do the needful. if you want a divorce, we will make sure you get it"...alas, that day never came because she was killed that day.


I'm sorry for that long post, but the episode triggered that memory...and so I wrote it out. It may not make much sense because I haven't had sleep (exam time and all)...so excuse my REALLY BAD GRAMMAR...mixing up of tenses and what not.

But yes, it is imperative that you get out of that toxic situation quickly because tomorrow may never come. Kal ho na ho.

Edited by bewafa - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@annika

I think I was a bit of a bully myself in school :)

Once a group pf boys from my class went to a junior class and started harassing the kids there. As usual when they pulled out my sister's books from her bag, they noticed that her surname was the same as mine. Asked her if she was related to me, on getting an affirmative - they packed her bag nicely and bought her a chocolate and asked her not to tell me that they had troubled her. I got scolded by my mom that evening for harassing the boys :)

My teachers would never believe that I was capable of violence, because I was this frail little thing, almost 10 kgs underweight, a very soft voice, studious and all. But get on the wrong side of me and I would hit back. As most pranks were played when no elders are around, no one actually saw me getting my own back. In fact if anyone complained about me, the teachers would scold them for carrying tales.
Edited by Chitrashi - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@bewafa

OMG!! reminds me of my friend who lived with DV till she nearly went mad. Have shared her story earlier. But seriously, I would've done something to make the MIL's life miserable here. Nothing criminal but really have driven her to take her own life.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@ Chitrashi & @ Annika👏

Both of you give me SO much hope-it is a pleasure to read posts from you-SO expressive,SO sensible and absolutely SO admirable.
There IS hope as long as there are people like you who view issues so dispassionately and argue your case so cogently AND passionately and with SUCH evocative personal stories.

If they could,the MODS should make this a sticky (It is what its called,no?)-it DOES affect HALF the population of India--THAT half that hardly ever gets its voice heard.

Again👏

@ TM=Good for you to have posted this early before the spammers & His Lordship swarmed and infuriated all of us to hell and back!
We should ALL try and keep this on top of page one!
Edited by znursingh - 13 years ago

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