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Posted: 13 years ago
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i just love this show ... it touches my heart everytime i watch it ... soon as i watched the 2nd episode i called my elder sister and asked her if she talks to her daughter about someone touching her pvt parts and what to do if someone does that ... i really appriciate and applaud the guests who share their part of lives with us ...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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JZ ...just sent you a pm with link...not sure if it works in your zone

Kavya WORD on your 1st paragraph...very good review of SMJ👏.

As for today's episode I am dreading to watch the episode...just done with downloading ...will be back with my comments if I have any.

Edit: Try the torrent link I sent you in that PM.Its below the desi**fo*** link
Edited by booosi - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Usha the desi forum stuff doesn't work, nor do most other forum links in general. Guess I'm going to try torrents, I forgot what Nur had given me last time, but yes, torrents it was as Zinger said. That should work...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Well said...I agree with your thoughts on the episode and the show in general. As JZ and others had described in her post from last week..I have nothing but high praise for Aamir Khan. The reach of this show is amazing..and it's good to see that all the money and power he has has been channelized to do something for the people of our country. Many critics argue that his is not the first show that has tried this approach..it's sad but true that we may watch those shows but wouldn't even remember the names of the people behind the NGO's etc..but now here is a show with a very famous individual leading the way..people are bound to take notice.

@today's issue on the show...Really disturbing to see the statistics on child abuse in our country...the stories of all the individuals were equally horrific... but it's nice to see they gained strength to overcome it and live their lives perfectly well now...and importantly I really applaud them for even accepting to be on the show and re live their past, for a greater good..that requires a great deal of courage, that is inspiring in itself.

I agree with you about the discussions on the laws for child abuse in the country..there could have been a little more detailed information on that..but what I realize by watching the episode, is that the goal is for prevention of such acts in the first place...justice of course should be given to the victims and the abusers should be punished, but as we saw from the stories..most of these abusers are people who are in your circle of trust, and it's extra hard to go against them (court cases etc)..when they are family members. So in that view, I really appreciate that little workshop in the end that would really help hundreds of parents to explain to their children, especially those kids who haven't attained puberty.

I also think of the main reasons why kids who may have been abused do not go immediately to tell their parents is because in almost 90% of the families, parents never talk about sex to their children..even after kids come of age..so since most of the time it's considered taboo..they are not able to comprehend the situation itself.


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Edit: JZ... try this link at the bottom of the article there is a YouTube video embedded.. it plays for us viewers in India...hopefully should work for you.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/satyamev-jayate-grisly-tales-of-child-sex-abuse/257451-44-124.html
Edited by Maz. - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I should first of all applaud for today's episode for the way it was so well planned and well executed..kuch kami nahin raha.. in those 90 minutes, how best you can bring out this issue so that it is effective enough for each of us to understand the depth of the same..it was done exactly that way..
at the end of it I can confidently say that I was a satisfied viewer because I was sure that the way this was presented we all who have watched this would never fail to respond to this in every possible way we can..a parent or not but we would support this in our own ways..

Coming to the issue, it was surely horrifying to listen to the experiences of those who have suffered during their childhood coupled with not being able to share it with parents.. and hats off to them to open the most darkest chapters of their lives in front of the nation..and thanks to them that sharing their experiences surely made a difference to make us understand the severity of this issue much more effectively..

As they rightly said child sexual abuse by itself is one big horror in the lives of these people.. but equally horrifying if not bigger than these are, parents not believing their own child when they take up that courage to share with them, maybe in some cases parents even to the extent of blaming their child for this.. and then the law procedures as it was shared about the way the children have to face the questions in the court rooms and insensitive attitude of the medical staff while being faced with the medical examinations..I agree with the question being raised about why a child has to asked about sharing something like this with the parents when parents have not made themselves capable enough of build that bond of trust with their children..workshop does surely help children to be more alert..
but again it comes back to each individual, their soch and their willingness to feel part of it to be able to support and initiate an awareness among oneself and others..



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Posted: 13 years ago
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I couldn't have agreed more to what you said. You have beautifully summed up why this show works and connects to the audience the way it does. I hear so many people saying around me that how can SMJ bring about a revolution if nothing has happened so far? And what you said sums up the answer beautifully. It's true that we get so busy trying to live our own life that even after knowing about such issues, we tend to go blind to them. Even if we wish to do something, we are unable to because we ourselves are so busy with our lives...and this show has come as a ray of hope. In the sense that it not only brings out the issues and looks at it from every angle but it also creates a petition to appeal to the authority to bring the change.

I believe that the condition of India is fault of both...the citizens and the government. I mean take the traffic rules for example. Even if govt. asks the citizens to wear helmet while driving a bike, it is not going to change if we don't follow it...and if police does nothing about the violators, nobody is going to take that issue seriously and will keep breaking that law. And this is where this show works - on targeting both groups. It targets the citizens by putting forward the Gandhi philosophy of being the change to bring the change, and then gathers the citizens to persuade the government to do something about these issues and take an action. And I think that if both, the government and the citizens, take these issues and try to bring the change in their own way, it can seriously work. And I hope it does.

And also like you said, the show does NOT preach. It just states out the facts and leaves it up to the viewers to decide. And the most beautiful thing about it is that it points out things from each and every angle possible. And it targets the viewers, persuades them emotionally, logically, and ethically (fulfilling all three Aristotle's appeals). There is no question about how and why this show works. It is a genuine show, with good intentions behind it...and it deserves all the praises it gets.

Coming to today's episode, I was shocked by the end of it. It's not that I did not know all these stuff happens, because I know it very well...but never in my wildest dreams did I think of it to go to this extent. How can anyone be so insensitive to torture such kids and snatch away their childhood and innocence? I was shocked when I heard that a 3 year old was abused by her grand-father!! I mean, 3 year old?? How is she even supposed to comprehend anything that is going around her. That innocent thing must have just learned talking and the next thing that happens to her is this? And her grand-father? The person who is supposed to be so protective about her would do this? It's just ridiculous. I was depressed while watching the whole episode until the workshop, where seeing the innocence of these kids made me really happy and it did give me hope.

You know I had tears in my eyes when I saw most of those kids say that they trust their father the most to be their bodyguard and then on the other hands you read the news of a father abusing her daughter sexually. It's really sad but yes I do salute all those survivors and their spirit. And I loved Cinderella's spirit and self-confidence...It's not easy to gain that confidence again after such a traumatized phase in life, but she just rose from her ashes and truly set an example for everyone, not just the victims👏 And I seriously salute each and every survivor of such incidents.

But like you even I felt that there were some questions left unanswered unlike last episode. I mean in first episode, I did have some questions but not as much as today...perhaps because of the issues raised in both episodes, in the sense that the issue raised in 2nd episode is more darker and evokes many thoughts and questions like the psychology of the attacker. I mean we learned that most of them doesn't even think that they are doing anything wrong but why torture such innocent kids who doesn't even know what is happening? I felt that they should have emphasized issues like the impact of this on the kids in future (even though they showed that, it wasn't emphasized) and the society. And also this episode was more so like bringing awareness to the people unlike last episode where it was about awareness as well as persuading people who were doing it to stop doing it, persuading people to change for the betterment of the nation (And even if it was there in this episode, it was limited). I am not complaining because I was equally touched by this episode like I was with first episode, but just something that I felt was missing and would have wanted to see more to it.

And oh I definitely agree with you on them focusing on physical and emotional abuse and child labor, too. I am with you on that, completely. I really hope they bring up this issue as well, because it happens a lot...and it's not only in India.

Overall, I loved the episode and definitely worth thinking over each issues discussed. And I am never going to be tired to say this again and again, I seriously thank the entire team of SMJ for making this show possible and airing it on TV. It is an eye-opener for people like me.
Edited by hey.bhaggu - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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The second episode also could strike a chord with the masses. All praises to Aamir Khan for coming up with such a show. It is more commendable that the show is being aired on National Television and Star Plus simultaneously. Doordarshan National is still the only channel that most of the interior villages of India can afford as luxury. Such a show with such a concept is bound to bring about awareness among the masses. I did read about people ponting hands about Aamir's actual intention and his level of sensitivity to the subjects and sensibility to the issues on the show. Now even if you want to believe that he was only enacting the theme as per the chosen topic, the show has still achieved what was intended to be achieved... A general awakening.
Cinderella
It was really sad watching her being brave even as she tearfully narrated her disturbing past. I liked her attitude when she said if there is someone who needs to feel ashamed, its the guy who should be and not her. I am happy she could brave her odds, be successful , willingly participate in the show and joke about her hopes of getting a partner after this show went on-air.
Harish
I really wish that Harish had his mother's support way back then. We saw them discuss about lost childhood. But still one could see the streak of childishness in him when he requested Sridevi if he could just to touch her to believe her presence was in real.
Ganesh
His unwillingness to forgive God for snatching away his childhood. What do I say, but he has the strength to forgive his wrong-doer, yet his voice quivers when he thinks back about what his parents might be going through when they learn about this through the show.
All are survivors. Like how Aamir gave him a hug, all that such victims need is such simple acts of reassuranc. When children grow up, the confidence to seek support from their trusted and loved ones can only be instilled by parents/guardians.
Its sad that girls and boys both are subjected to such crimes,yet such incidents happening with male child are not taken seriously. At least to an extent I must say, there is a generally higher awareness among guardians of female children. I may be wrong.
Statistics reveal an alrming 53% being male children. But may be the statistics is skewed because even now such incidents are termed as random events when the girl child grows up or that the guardians do not accept or report such incidents to state wide surveys being conducted by NGOs or other Non-Profit Organisations. Not revealing about such happenings will skew the statistics. Like how it was narrated, the aftermath and consequences of reporting or standing up against such crimes freaks out the people than confronting the actual crime.
Agree with Dr. Rajat that we need to respect people's behavior, not them.
The Workshop:
Its such a difficult task to explain to children in understandable terms. I could sense Aamir's brief pause when he explained to children that it was okay to be hugged by family but touching "danger" areas should not be allowed. It is so hard to actually explain how long or how brief such casual touch shouldn't or should be.
The Final Song:
Soulful

P.S...I couldn't see the options about how we can support the bill being passed in order to bring the Law against Child Sexual Abuse. SMS I guess is for people living in India. Any guidance to International Viewers to support the bill???

Edited by My-Simi - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Concur with everything you pointed out about today's episode, especially your questions and concerns.

So Aamir had a disclamir today. Not sure it was there in the last episode. Its really good that he is taking all possible measures to keep the show running instead of getting into legal issues where the telecast could be halted.

This was a very emotional episode and Hats off to all the surviors👏.
The few minutes that Anuja Gupta spoke I was glued to her voice. She spoke loud, clear and precise as to what the problems were and the possible solutions, though she was there just for few minutes👏.

I am not undermining the presence of Sridevi and the happiness seen on Harish's face, but I would have loved it if they could have brought in more people like Anuja Gupta or child psychologists/psychologists or people involved with NGO's (as Kavya mentioned) and fighting child abuse.

Would have loved if they named the abuser's just like they revealed names/faces of doctors in the 1st episode. Also, hoping that the pending bill for child abuse law passes soon. Not just passing the bill, but also proper measures need to be taken for the offenders to get convicted in fast track courts.

Here's the link about fast track courts approved in Rajasthan for female infanticide cases 2 days ago for anyone who is interested.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-05-11/jaipur/31668741_1_chief-justice-rajasthan-high-court-female-feticide

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Posted: 13 years ago
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i was thinking the same thing...the show is not depressing...it is inspiring...and is mind changing which i like very much👏...there was a lot left un addressed...but its one of those topics that cannot be covered in one hour...so this was ust the tip of the iceberg...and i think if it moves people to action like the first epi did...then we can expect even more information to come out that will hopefully address the many things still left unsaid

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Posted: 13 years ago
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So after fighting to my wits end with torrents which just refused to download straight up for me some n times, I finally managed to watch the episode, and even if I'm going to push in my essay much belatedly, I obviously must. The episode was worth much more than the patience I thought I was tested for making it work.

I want to start by saying something that I felt with MUCH more impact today, that last time. Watching Satyamev Jayate is a tough task. There's a part of me which was active almost all through the week past, going to back to this detail and that of the show, at witnessing/hearing random instances in and around my routine. Odd things just stood out for me and reminded me of something or the other the episode had reiterated. So that by the time Sunday was here, my anticipation of this next episode was at least partly worked up.

Watching the episode has multiplied that effect. While last time was dealing with an issue where half of the victim's end (the fetus) gets eliminated from the picture so you can only hear an account from the remaining half (mother) - today was like bearing the complete impact. The victim, all in all one entity, was out there talking about every aspect of the suffering, and I'm not trying to compare the issues or rank them in priority, but just saying that this episode for me was far more disturbing to just have to watch.

A part of the reason could be that the society, strata, zone, and culture I come from, faces this problem far more than female infanticide. Perhaps I connect more with the victims, because I know how I've seen their kind around me in the years of growing up, the empathy and impact multiplies manifold.

And I say watching this show is tough, and takes resolve, because there's just something inside of me that it rankles up. At least today did, so much, that at certain points I just had to pause the video before I could resume watching.

Points like Harish talking about how his dog became his sole savior. Perhaps, from growing up as a child and an adult who has never really been without a dog (occasionally more than one) I just teared up to the thought. And I have to honest and admit, that even as I was shocked and overwhelmed last time, despite what everyone had to say, I hadn't found myself cry even once. And I'd assumed that was just me not crying... but the moment Harish started narrating the bit with Jimmy today, how the dog would understand, know, and want to heal him, how he could just pour out EVERYTHING in words there, before that mute creature, how Jimmy would lick away and drink all the tears - I was crying before I even realized my eyes had fogged too much to see distinctly anymore. It was like I could watch the scene play out, this young boy and his dog, this young sexually abused boy, who's only vent and friend is this mute dog who can't speak, can't advice, but still shares the pain in a way so tangible, that somewhere, Harish has emerged the survivor. A survivor who has some edge in overcoming the trauma when compared with someone like Ganesh, who feels so tired, and so incapable of really letting the past go. Not deleting it - that's beyond impossible I reckon - but somehow letting it go to revive a real peace in ones own life. Somehow, Ganesh seemed like a victim who was still fighting it out, while Harish seemed like a victim who had made a much greater degree of peace with what was past. And somehow, that person in me who has not known life without dogs could see into the psyche of Harish, and how it had worked out a tad better for him, despite the formidable agony of it all, no less than Ganesh's. I'm not trying to hail the dog community, or the pet lovers here. No. I'm just talking about my personal reaction to that part, the uncannily vivid imaging of it that struck me in my mind's eye parallel to his narrative and the way it hit ALL the more, as if the dog's healing had made me empathize many levels deeper with the abused boy himself...

There's also something about Cindy's part I want to point out. At one point, I almost marveled how clinically she could get out with her suffering. She cried and lost voice at some point, but just in general, she seemed so much okay with how she had settled with her past, that it astounded me mildly. And then she said the simplest and most obvious thing, which made all the sense. How venting was VERY important in these cases. Suddenly it made sense, that she seemed so healed of her scars. It made sense that she could put the vindication past herself believing the abuser would deal with that and all his share; that she could even laugh and make a joke about finding the right guy through this show after hearing her very shocking truth. Yes, Cindy has come a longer way than the others, because she has shown greater courage than them in sharing it. Her narrative seemed like it still pained her to a point that she couldn't stop the tears, but also seemed like something she had now done, few enough times! Somewhere, I try to imagine bottling it all up inside of oneself for years and years and years, how talking about it would become tougher with passing time, because the greater ones sensibility, the harder to address such agonizing chapters not to mention the greater the seeming reactions and fall outs or at least an apprehension of both... A child of 10 may feel ineffably reclusive and incapable of describing him/her self, but an adolescent of 16/18 may feel an added and much more far reaching aspect of shame too, with an understanding of it, and a courage to share it hence dimmer than ever... Somehow, reaching the point where you can assert and say, not me but the abuser deserves to rot, may be consequence of a moment's snapping, but getting there likely a long haunted way... Cindy's spirit to not have confronted it, but done so occasionally (it seemed to me) to the point that she could revive her own person in some way, deserved an applause.

I also want to address this other point that hit me very bad. Harish's mother's confession, and consequent advice to parents to stand by their children and not make her mistake. For obvious reasons, I felt so strongly for that woman. A mother, who couldn't have wanted or even tolerated her child's abuse in that manner, yet someone who in hindsight realizes how poorly she failed her ward. Living with that cross for a lifetime... felt like such an inevitable but way too harsh penance for her once upon a time lack of belief. While the victim himself can at some point reason himself out of any guilt or blame and get over the worst, the mother herself has no such solace. And all the blame to find in herself. For all her error of judgment, it seemed like such a harsh situation being her too...

Yet another moment that stood out for me was Aamir giving Ganesh a hug. Not in terms of Aamir's gesture (Which was yes, very touching and spontaneous and the kind of moment that just sort of stand out like a silver lining) but in terms of Ganesh accepting the hug. Somehow, I couldn't but think of him as this man who still seemed such a long way from being sufficiently healed (I can't imagine a complete healing process in these things, to be honest) and after being so multiple affected by a male abuser of several years, I wondered what it would be like for him to even receive a hug from another male - even if Aamir Khan himself. I tried to think what it could be like for him, being a male, around males, in any kind of vicinity - and how he survived what must have become an intuitive alert and aversion, even bodily evoked apprehension perhaps, and got along being normal the best he could. Like accepting that hug. How does one get past such a long lasting experience and teach himself to trust again? I couldn't but wonder in that moment...

The session with Dr. Mitra just took me directly to thinking of what had been lingering in my head all through the episode (almost) - Nabakov's Lolita. For those who've read the book, you know why I refer to it. For those who haven't, if you were thought-wise provoked enough by today's episode, please do read it. It's disturbing, to say the least, and even as the literature student in me has been trained over the years to read a book looking beyond the story into aspects of its creation like expression, coherence, building, the layout and writing at large, it was one of the few books where I had a constantly hard time concentrating of "literary tools" because the story itself was just hard to treat in that clinical manner. Perhaps cause I first read it as a 16 year old, and had a vary hard time trying to not fathom the danger even on my ownself. I remember being so haunted by the concept itself for some days, that I was torn between the need to talk out and discuss it with someone, and not being able to bring myself to it. Not all that young, yet perhaps, exactly the age where I'd feel uneasy about it. Why at 16, you may wonder - it was this habit of referring to a website back in the days which recommended classics to read, and Lolita happened to be one title in it. Like all the other books I picked up each week for summer camp reading hours, Lolita was one. I remember thinking some years later in hindsight, while reviewing the book and its theme for a course assignment, how there should have been some library restrain on issuing such a book at that age, because it was an unnerving read all the more even at something like 21. Anyway - thought I'd put in the title, for anyone interested. It is without question one of those celebrated titles in the world of literature for lots of reasons. And it sends out no wrong message. Reading it is alarming because of the theme of course, and all the more because of the narrative being from the pedophile's POV. The cold calculation and absolute negation of any counter conscience is bound to shock. So yeh, heads up on that account for prospective readers.

Finally the workshop. Special applause to the team of SJ for including that sampler in the episode, because just having mentioned having such conversations with kids might not have been guiding enough. The example session in my opinion is one of those measures that are simple but go a long way as solutions to big complex seeming issues. One of the inevitable feeling that I couldn't put down all through that session was just, watching those kids, being kids. Their giggles and screams alike. And I was thinking back to the narrative to the victims and how they'd just turn to stone or become reactionless in their moment of being abused - and it struck me, how distinct the difference stood out. The unbelievable extent of what a moment can change in the innocence of childhood... We all have kids in our extended families whom we watch growing up and pass remarks about being too smart or slow. I was thinking of how that 5 year old and her comment about gloves to color hair was indicative of such sharp and retentive and unusual sense of observation - and although we've all once been kids, its funny that with time we tend to forget who not "rule book" oriented the observation skill of a child is. How it tends to pick up on the oddest and most trivial of things from amidst routine affairs. And how irrevocably deep it is hence, to scar them at such age. How much more one magnifies the monsters of a child's imagination, given their lack of knowledge to interpret exactly what is happening, as opposed to say an adult being compromised (again, not that I'm comparing and ranking) but just the extra kind of disadvantage in defense being a child, and the extended unfathomable sort of impact such experiences can run into! If kids can believe in the reality of Santa and superheros, why not the super villains right? And to mark their childhood with manifestation of the existence of real life "bad guys" - the horrific and indelible marks of such abuse that would be left behind...

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Just. Overwhelming. Like I said at the beginning I felt far more hit by this episode, than the first, and that's a reaction at an intuitive level which I cannot explain, counter, or define - but just accept. As I said in the beginning, watching this show is hard. And I have to add that I realized as Sunday dawned on me that I was not looking forward to the next episode already, yet a part of me felt compulsively anticipating until I finally got to watch it through. It occurs to me hence, that even just being confronted by the existence of such heinous situations, in such a candid manner with absolutely nothing withheld to convenience any comfort - troubles me at such a subconsciously deep level, that imagining the victims' state is at some level, truly beyond my conception perhaps. Part of being troubled I recognize is a sign of being confronted with something that I've just learned to be aware of, but not really! And on that note, yet another time, kudos to Aamir and the team for putting together this show 👏

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