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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nach_Baliye

Dude, clearly we are watching different shows and have different sets of values. So what if RB cooks good food for Suhana? Does that give her a right to slap? I don't think so, dude. Suhana is irresponsible towards the family and insensitive to their feelings, but that is not the situation here - the situation is that Suhana was slapped and she did not even do anything wrong. You are connecting two totally separate situations - RB deserves to be rewarded for cooking for Suhana, I guess, or Suhana should give something back. But again, the slapping incident has nothing to do with RB's cooking or being rewarded for the same.

Regarding soap operas and the general acceptance of slapping, the thing is, I don't watch these crappy soaps. I cannot stand saas-bahu type typical serials where people are free to slap and insult and family members die and return, remarry, and try to trip each other at every step. I don't want any of these shows - I do watch Pratigya and SGP.

Technically, slapping is domestic violence any which way you see it or interpret it. It is technically domestic violence - regardless of whether the one slapping is a man or a woman. In Suhana's case, it was not just the violent action - it was the humiliation and "crowd" mentality where no elder stood up for her and kept telling her to forget it. After that, whatever RB did, to me, seemed fake. First she cries and blames Suhana for provoking her. Then she persuades Suhana to stay (mind you, she does not say sorry). Then she goes to Badi maa and tries to be a martyr saying that Suhana has a greater right over the house and that she (RB) should leave. Does she not know from the 20 years she has spent with them that they will stop her and tell her that it is wrong of her to think that way? Yet she plays the martyr? RB had good intentions, but it cannot be denied that she is a very selfish woman, who was taken in by a family she was not related to and yet cannot even love her own son. Honestly, the scene where she tells Badi maa no need to give Deepak new clothes, and seeing tears in Deepak's eyes broke my heart -- it really did. And RB could not even feel that much?

I would say, put yourself in Suhana's shoes. If you are married, think how you would feel in her situation if someone in your in-laws' family slaps you in front of everyone and your hubby behaves like a coward. RB's state of mind does not matter - so what if she regretted and apologized? Suhana still forgave her very easily and it was irresponsible on other elders part to not say anything to RB. You can care as much as you want, but if you slap someone clearly you don't care and your words are just that - words.



It sucks that even though the show makers are doing an awesome job in storytelling but still some people are unable to grasp the point.

I guess you just can't please everyone.

I'm sorry you feel that way about the show/the characters. I still think you're missing the main point of the show, which is basically that you forgive and forget, you move on and just let your loved ones know that you love them. For me that's the beauty of this show, the fact that the family can come out of these situations with a smile on their faces and a bond stronger than ever.

The point is to not get too involved with these everyday circumstances and look at the bigger picture. In the bigger scheme of things, what's more important...who's fault it is? Who got punished? Or the happiness and unity of the family? In the bigger scheme of things, is this incident really that big a deal?

Anyways, I don't think there's any point in this discussion when we clearly view this show differently.
Edited by cute2stay - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
#32

Wow I loved everyones POV

Now I can't decide what is right and wrong
In the beginning I felt that RB was wrong for slapping Suhana (I still do..) but then again the whole family took this matter in ways I didn't think of. I was expecting RB to ask forgivness. So what is she is older? I understand about respecting elders but when the elder has done something as bad as this, I would expect an apology from them. If an elder tried to kill you, would you just tell them it's okay? Of course not! You would press charges against them wouldn't you? Where in all this is respecting elders still permitted?
Deepak is being treated like a dog.
If I feel bad for anyone then it's only Deepak. He was the one who was hurt the most. Poor kid....none of the family members showed any concern.
I also felt that if Ishaan's love is so strong for Suhana then his love should have compelled him to stand up for her. And IF she was wrong then I wouldn't mind seeing Ishaan not say a word. Of course what Suhana said about Ishaan was harsh (About the rich & goodlooking issue). But even after that he showed his love for her.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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@Nachbaliye and others who detested the fact that Suhana was not supported by Ishaan or anyone else, have you ever given a thought as to whether it is possible for any Indian middle class family to tolerate a spoilt brat like Suhana ??? If you think it is not a great thing then I'm sorry my dear; either you are not married or you are not brought up in India.
Although our Suhana is cute, the way she behaves(with absolutely 0 maturity index) is completely unacceptable behavior for a daughter-in-law in Indian homes. She gets everything in her room just like a queen. They never let her feel she is missing the comforts of her maayka. Radha Bua folds her clothes, Badi Ma keeps a water bottle specially for her in the freezer, her Saas does the kitchen work along with her co-sisters and all these women never tell or even expect her to even try to learn any household work. On top of not doing anything, she even fails to appreciate their effort and does something to annoy them sometimes. Inspite of her highly irresponsible and self-centered behaviour(we've seen 2 great instances), every single member of the Kashyap family has not only ignored her mistakes(or should I say blunders)but also has showered their love whole-heartedly, just for the fact that she is Ishaan's wife. I can bet this doesnt happen in any other house.
Radha bua raised her hand since she was already disturbed due to Deepak's presence in the house and Suhana kept insisting her for doing what she didn't want to and Radha bua repented for her behaviour later. Normally in typical Indian families, even if the elders are at fault, it is always the daughter-in-law who has to be submissive almost always.
If you consider Ishaan's situation, he cannot be blamed. The husband is really sandwiched in such situations. He cannot immediately do or say something without comtemplating the consequences. He should support his wife; but can he confront his bua for a slap?? And that too when he very well knew Radha bua didnt hate Suhana or did this to insult her. She loves Ishaan like her own son and cannot think of hurting him by slapping Suhana. How can Ishaan go against her knowing that she herself would be feeling really guilty of doing this?
I really like this show for what it is..There is so much love and affection.These are really trivial issues which keep happening in every house..What really matters is how strong the bond of familial love is.
Edited by lifeztuf - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
#34

Originally posted by: sevak

So much reaction & sympathies for Suhana.... What about Ishaan's humiliation & suffering when his new bride claimed - "I was supposed to be married to 'rich & famous' & not to YOU.... " Incidently since we knowthat weare watching a serial & know in the end "aal wil be wel", we are not bothered. But for what Suhana did to Ishaan & his family (she'll still in the family just to prove her own point..) and the agony that Ishaan is going through even now, I feel Suhana needs to face some harsh realities in life. I'm married & putting myself in Suhana's shoes, I cannot imagine being overbearingly interfering in my husband's relatives private life without even knowing them well enough. If everybody in the family is concerned about something, one should at least try to sort things out instead of saying - 'bhaad mein jaye sab- I'll do things my way"



Suhana is wrong - has been wrong from the very beginning since she refused to see Ishaan's photo and blamed her Dad for everything. She has nobody to blame but herself by placing blind trust in her Dad and instead of accepting responsibility kept blaming everyone else around her. It is sad for Ishaan that he has to go through this for no fault of his. I am surprised that given how modern Suhana and her Dad are, she did not even speak to the guy before marriage, but again Suhana alone is to blame. Having said that, this has NOTHING to do with the slap - absolutely nothing. My sympathies are with Suhana there.

Also, regarding interfering, Suhana did not need to question RB so much. BUT RB expects the family members to change their behavior towards Deepak, and Suhana did not feel comfortable doing that. Since Suhana does not feel comfortable and disagrees with RB's behavior, she has a right to question and try to understand why such an expectation is being made of her and other family members. If my MIL were to expect me to change my behavior and ignore a family member and if I disagreed strongly, I would question and want to know why I need to change my behavior. I would also speak against her if I felt that her and the entire family's behavior was wrong.

Lifeztuf, I agree with you that Suhana's behavior is intolerable, and I don't understand why the family indulges her in such a manner. I would not indulge her, and would expect her to contribute fully in every way. However, as I keep saying over and over, this has absolutely nothing to do with the slap - are you implying that since Suhana is not a usual bahu it is okay to slap her? I don't think any of Suhana's flaws justify the slap - that is the only point I am trying to make. I am not saying that Suhana is blameless - quite the contrary. She is wrong in so many ways. But I am saying that her being full of flaws does not deserve a slap.

Regarding your opinion that a bahu has to be more submissive, lets not go there. Generally that is the expectation from bahus, but I am a hardcore feminist and strongly refuse to go that route in my personal life. A bahu is a human being at the end of the day, and every family has to have a level of fairness. But who am I to change generations of thoughts and behaviors just because I am a feminist and subscribe to a different set of views on this matter.
Edited by Nach_Baliye - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
#35

Originally posted by: cute2stay



It sucks that even though the show makers are doing an awesome job in storytelling but still some people are unable to grasp the point.

I guess you just can't please everyone.

I'm sorry you feel that way about the show/the characters. I still think you're missing the main point of the show, which is basically that you forgive and forget, you move on and just let your loved ones know that you love them. For me that's the beauty of this show, the fact that the family can come out of these situations with a smile on their faces and a bond stronger than ever.

The point is to not get too involved with these everyday circumstances and look at the bigger picture. In the bigger scheme of things, what's more important...who's fault it is? Who got punished? Or the happiness and unity of the family? In the bigger scheme of things, is this incident really that big a deal?

Anyways, I don't think there's any point in this discussion when we clearly view this show differently.

👏👏👏👏👏👏 I absoultely agree with you on this one
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Posted: 15 years ago
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@ Nach Baliye...in this particular situation I think that both Radha and Suhana are to blamed...like Badi Ma said...fate is to be blamed also....like Radha said to Suhana that anger blinded her...and she reacted because of anger....and I felt that she was justified...and why should she apologize to Suhana?...Radha didnt do anything wrong (IMO) because Suhana WAS forcing her and she clearly was uncomfortable....but even Suhana was wrong....she was being her childish self
regarding your rant about the family being hypocritical then I'm sorry to say I completely disagree.....the way Dadi and Radha Bua even Badi Ma handled it was absoultely beautiful..Suhana is a child trapped in a woman's body....(like someone said before) so they made her understand as if she was a child and being the innocent creature she is she accepted it and forgave Radha(somewhat)....and YES Radha does deserve sympthy for Gods sake the woman was raped and she is still traumatized by it...she has the right to act the way she does because she has had such a horrible past......
and concerning "domestic violence" then yes I do agree that it a slap is domestic violence but was Suhana bruised?? did she have any marks on her face...the slap was not meant to harm her...just to warn her that she was crossing her limits which she did and she got her due...
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Nachbaliye, I never said that the slap was justified. It is human to err and Radha bua being an elder accepted her mistake in front of Suhana which is commendable and doesnt happen in every other home.
What I was trying to say is what is ideal, is not really possible. Although the Kashyap family accepted Suhana despite her flaws, we cant always expect a joint family with so many members to be perfect in all respect. Then it would not be close to reality. These things do happen in most households and the main focus in SGP has been the way they handle such situations. Noone can prevent such situations, but it is the outcome which matters finally.
About DILs being submissive, it is a fact. Even I am a feminist, but sometimes because of my principles I've suffered. Because most of the time the world is not like how we want to see it. One can't change those age old thoughts and beliefs in a lifetime.
Edited by lifeztuf - 15 years ago

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