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Posted: 11 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: pasumarthisa

I think Kumud is the only one very emotionally close to him n understands him completely in his current struggle. Ofcourse VC n dugbaa too. And regarding that physical gesturing, we might get one tomorrow where he breaks down in her arms.



agree with u

here again the contrast was shown.

danny was crying and desperatly touching his father and hugging his close ones around be it saras his bade bhaiyya or kusum his wife

but saras was stunned He did not know what to do .he was lost and did not want anybody around...even when danny hugged him he was like a lost soul he did hug back danny but like a zombie

saras needs his space and kumud knows it...she knows it well coz she knows saras more then anybody.Saras will come back and break in Kumud arms but not before he has sulked into himself and his loneliness with which he has lived for so long

i love the cv and writer who kept this saras character intact...it so much reminds of old lonely saras...who is still alive in him ...which always comes back once he gets reminded of his childhood, his mother and his fathers betrayals
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Posted: 11 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: pasumarthisa

Nice bytes.

There was too much of kalika. Satta and what not.

You put it so well about denial.

He thought he had grip on it. But that was just one side of his heart. In another corner or at a sub conscious level those feelings of apna pan are there. That come out as if they are unveiled. And saras's expressions were bang on. His vulnerable and pathos filled face just stays in your mind. The most striking image of the episode.

And gautam is a seriously good actor. Getting better by the day.

So patch up is around the corner. And guman will enter too. Give it a week n i want honeymoon to be shown. Since saras ripped the tickets, this time he will go at LN's insistence. Hopefully.


Santhi, I don't want honeymoon, because seriously, the writers don't know how to write romance and operate between the two extremes of teen romance or seriously oldie romance, none of which suits our Saras and Kumud.

They have always had unique ways of showing their love for each other, would be happy with that .
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Posted: 11 years ago
#43

Originally posted by: pasumarthisa

Nice bytes.

There was too much of kalika. Satta and what not.

You put it so well about denial.

He thought he had grip on it. But that was just one side of his heart. In another corner or at a sub conscious level those feelings of apna pan are there. That come out as if they are unveiled. And saras's expressions were bang on. His vulnerable and pathos filled face just stays in your mind. The most striking image of the episode.

And gautam is a seriously good actor. Getting better by the day.

So patch up is around the corner. And guman will enter too. Give it a week n i want honeymoon to be shown. Since saras ripped the tickets, this time he will go at LN's insistence. Hopefully.



Arshi / Shanthi-

Havent seen the epi...But is it becoming a social now post marriage?...

Adhoori Dastaan and all that is now passe and done with now with them married and CVs dont know how to proceed further..

the accident, the new son, the honeymoon ticket incident...all cliched scenes coming one after the other?


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Posted: 11 years ago
#44

Originally posted by: ShanUlas



agree with u

here again the contrast was shown.

danny was crying and desperatly touching his father and hugging his close ones around be it saras his bade bhaiyya or kusum his wife

but saras was stunned He did not know what to do .he was lost and did not want anybody around...even when danny hugged him he was like a lost soul he did hug back danny but like a zombie

saras needs his space and kumud knows it...she knows it well coz she knows saras more then anybody.Saras will come back and break in Kumud arms but not before he has sulked into himself and his loneliness with which he has lived for so long

i love the cv and writer who kept this saras character intact...it so much reminds of old lonely saras...who is still alive in him ...which always comes back once he gets reminded of his childhood, his mother and his fathers betrayals


Very well said Shana, Saras was being Saras, the one who internalizes his pain .

And at such times the loner within him will surface and he will tend to withdraw

But Kumud holding back was strange

Because she wanting to be by his side would be most natural

He has never left her alone, and she has stood by him always

It should be even more so now that she's his wife
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Posted: 11 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: hotdogg



Arshi / Shanthi-

Havent seen the epi...But is it becoming a social now post marriage?...

Adhoori Dastaan and all that is now passe and done with now with them married and CVs dont know how to proceed further..

the accident, the new son, the honeymoon ticket incident...all cliched scenes coming one after the other?


absolutely Hgg, ek ke baad ek wohi purani recipe , nayi thali mein serve ho rahi hai
Because the dastaan is no longer adhoori, and TRP aunty mange drama ki khichadi
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Posted: 11 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: pasumarthisa

I have to agree with the gen-next now. they could easily show atleast kumud holding his hand tightly. They are rationing it.

Something with contractual issues here. The same CVs who show Danny - kusum so close cant do this to Saras n Kumud. So dont blame CVs. But we might get something tomorrow.
Happy ji,
They dont have the creativity to show closure and handling of such situations. I said long time back(and you did too) that they are putting onus on Saras. Now LN is the wronged one and Saras has to come around. Simple and simplistic.
But that said the letter LN wrote to Saras might have some words of apology . Either way I have to see the journey of this man. Thats why I am here.



U think?

Consider this scenario...you and your spouse are the eldest in both the families...you have your own demons to battle regarding your dad...you feel you are responsible somehow for this state of affairs...you showed attitude causing your dad to leave and get into this accident...you feel enormously guilty for the treatment you meted out to the person who you love deeply but wont admit (forget the logic for the moment about who is to be blamed first...net net you feel you are responsible)...you are shit scared because you dont know if he will survive...and the guilt is piling on because you caused this...you are shit scared because if he does not survive you are left with the vacuum of the issue remaining unresolved for eternity...because of you...In the middle of all this the entire family is around...knowing you are the reason it has come to this ..maybe..and worried...and somehow you got to keep it all together...and not break down...you have got to lead this group to the other side...

you know you have your love with you in this through thick or thin...so do you really need a demonstration of care and concern?...Why do you need a reaffirmation that she cares?..that's a given.

Even considering the social mileu...I do not think this calls for hugging, holding hands etc in public and in front of family...especially when its not yet the end...I have not seen it in many such family gatherings in cases of people admitted in hospitals...the younger couples (compared to the elder senior couples / family) generally tend to push thier own feelings lower in the priority and focus on the issue at hand...Typically there is a division of labor...one part of the couple manages the hospital environment and the other manages the sundry relatives & logistics...

Net Net ..After all they have been through, saras does not need a physical affirmation of kumud's concern ...he KNOWs that she is equally concerned...

And actually it works the opposite way...he draws strength knowing shes around...but not in his face demonstrating concern...and that she's running interference with the rest while he sorts out his mess in his head and comes to terms with how to deal with this going forward...

And kumud is giving him the space to figure this out first at his level...That's maturity..

I just saw this scene basis the inputs on CB...and I felt it was actually good...no melodrama...more realistic...and actually showing the deep bond these two share...they now dont need to spell it out or hug or some such...these are low level signals...they have gone beyond...

I particularly liked the depiction in the end scene...where kumud knows he feels guily he screwed up (even though inadvertently) and trying to come to terms... saras knows that kumud knows that he feels guilty he screwed up (even though inadvertently) and is trying to come to terms...and yet there is no 'I told you' so from her side...and his (implicit) admission of the same through the sub-text in his first response when she comes next to him..."Yeah...You are right...I feel screwed up...But I am trying to work it out"... And the entire exchange is with both showing utmost respect to the others POV...

Only great actors like GR & JW can pull this through without this degenerating into a me-too scene...


Edited by hotdogg - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#47

Originally posted by: Arshics


Very well said Shana, Saras was being Saras, the one who internalizes his pain .

And at such times the loner within him will surface and he will tend to withdraw

But Kumud holding back was strange

Because she wanting to be by his side would be most natural

He has never left her alone, and she has stood by him always

It should be even more so now that she's his wife


Yes, it was strange. And very consistent with all the other inconsistencies. No one happier than me if they were actually trying to show her giving him space.

I fear we are reading too much into the writing when we expect such depth from this lot. Also, Kumud could have spoken up and said as much to Dugba and Dadji who are also the closest to Saras other than herself?? The only saving grace in the scene was Saras (aka GR) as all of you mentioned. Amen to that.

Let's wait and see what we get today...

^^^^Hgg, I dont think the place warrants a hug, but she was just too remote physically sitting somewhere else altogether until Dugba prompted her... "Kumud" of our story would be def more proactive even if not overtly physical.

Edited by happychappy - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#48
Hgg , see that's why you have to be here everyday, to give a different perspective to scenes, in your unique insightful way

But agree with happy, in a mass on inconsistencies it is difficult to decide whether it was good writing or just luck and the talent of the leads that pulled it off.

Because this distance and giving space is happening even in their most romantic moments

So it was not Kumud's deep understanding of Saras, it probably was the style that Saras Kumud relationship has been given

I love you very much thank you, par 6 feet ki doori se

No touching, no touching, only seeing only seeing

And it's not really the hug that is important here

It's that newly wed couples generally show their emotions through touch

That there is always a huge physical space between them always is unnatural

Edited by Arshics - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#49

Originally posted by: ShanUlas



agree with u

here again the contrast was shown.

danny was crying and desperatly touching his father and hugging his close ones around be it saras his bade bhaiyya or kusum his wife

but saras was stunned He did not know what to do .he was lost and did not want anybody around...even when danny hugged him he was like a lost soul he did hug back danny but like a zombie

saras needs his space and kumud knows it...she knows it well coz she knows saras more then anybody.Saras will come back and break in Kumud arms but not before he has sulked into himself and his loneliness with which he has lived for so long

i love the cv and writer who kept this saras character intact...it so much reminds of old lonely saras...who is still alive in him ...which always comes back once he gets reminded of his childhood, his mother and his fathers betrayals

I agree with all your points and Saras is with in the character but they made kumud out of character.
Neither Saras nor kumud left other when they were in pain. Kumud is always with him wether it is prayaschith, when he was in jail, when she first send him to taalab and came to know his mom death
She followed him to say sorry and suggested him to share his pain with someone. Post dog and bone game when everyone left she was with him outside the room. when they came to VC haveli with pramaad Saras was sad she showed him the smiley on her hand. She never left him alone when he was in pain.
In yesterday episode she need not show physical gestures or talk to him just be with him. If kumud is with him he can fight with anyone or anything.
I did not like the way Saras was sitting all alone hiding his pain. This is my pov.
I may be wrong today we may get to see some good scenes but I was disappointed with kumud.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hgg ji,
I think there was a need for verbal communication atleast. In families that I have seen, in such situations people dont leave the affected person alone. That is the fundamental guiding rule and a very Indian thing I feel. They will blabber some words of hope and courage and when they feel they might not work, they will just stay with them. Rub their back or just be there. Atleast that is what I saw. Because this incident brings a shock factor with it. Its not like a bad childhood memory revisited. And shocking incidents are dealt with acts of support.
The others in the family tend to present a different picture to distract and give hope.
And Saras didnt look like he was aware that the whole family was with him. He looked desolate, lonely, lost and needing support n guidance. When he has lots of questions to answer.
But I never questioned Kumud in all this. I was only refering to some gesturing.

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