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Posted: 12 years ago
#81

Originally posted by: Arshics


Reemz, Vaishali, I have a nasty suspicion, that Saras will resurface, show himself to be some sort of dhokebaaz, the bad guy, and pramaad will be the achcha pati, save his patni and so their love story will start!

This gopi bahu avatar of Saras is what is bothering me!


@red ---!! 😆

I like Ivy's interpretation of why Saras buys into Kusum's theory...

Also liked the combination of i) SD's sudden and extreme de-blinkering re: Pramaad and ii) Kumud's forgiving of Saras, and the way she addressed him as well...

Particularly approve of the way these factors fit in with the grand "illusion" of "Pramaad -sudhaar" That wd really take a miracle now... Actual action i) and ii) are both pointing the other way... I feel SD is ready to support Kumud's exit in whatever format, and the melting of the glacier in Kumud's heart is gathering pace as well...😃

Kudos to Ivy for the "Illusion" concept. - "Now You See Me" indeed... maybe I shd see that again..😉

Also would be great if Saras/Navin gets a chance to "out" himself as Saraswatichandra, rather than Pramaad doing the job!
Edited by happychappy - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#82

Originally posted by: hotdogg

Ivy, arshi & all-


Hgg Bhai, today we are going to be somewhat at crosses, I feel.

With all the kumud & kusum bashing...aren't we all forgeting their perspective is basis the context of the novel?

If it came across as 'bashing' I apologise... Intent was merely to convey subjective impact.

1) We all agreed with kumud in the past when she decided to make her marriage work.

Affirmative. But between then and now, things have changed. Kusum has arrived. Kalika has become more of an adversary than ever before. An outright rival. Saraswatichandra is being called for to give attendance. And we still agree that she should focus on her mission... But Kumud is intentionally being made to scale grand heights of promises, of convictions... We know it will all be for naught. But the thing is Hgg bhai, there is no justifiable reason for the stakes to go so high now. For Pramad to be imposed as 'Kanha'. You would expect viewers to react to that, in all fairness.

So why the angst now?
Remember in the story...kumud has no inkling of what kalika / pramad are plotting...or that pramad has not changed...or that pramad has asked naveen to find out about saras...

Pramad may be not, granted. But Kalika. Kumud has clashed swords with Kalika often for her to be wary now. Downrights threats have been issued. Kamarbandh has been pointed out as hers.. Still, either the 'naivety or arrogance' displayed has remained steadfast. A little bit wariness would not go amiss. Same in the case of Navin. Both are seen to be playing into Kalika's hands. Forget being burned twice, these two have been burned by Kalika again and again but they still seem to dismiss. It does not ring true.

Why do we feel she is going overboard?
She's still trying to make the marriage work...same as before

Because Kumud is going overboard, Hgg bhai. The core mission might not have changed but the factors surrounding, underlying and opposing them, have. It's only natural that Kumud's aspirations should evolve with them. Remove the blinkers, have a look around, then adjust your expectations for your mission. SD has very lofty ideals, and that is all Kumud seems to want to listen to. It has been presented as unrealistic Bhai, I stand firm on that.

And yet..Mr. Ehsaas...

What I liked yesterday is her shock that Mr. Ehsaas is not dead and which was portrayed quite effectively yesterday...kumud pleading to saras was because of 2 things
(i) she can't bear to see him physically hurt
(ii) she realizes that Mr. Ehsaas was not dead at all...the scen when she's washing her hands...so as long as saras is around she will continue to orbit him and him only...she wants him to leave more for her own self-control than his!...look how easily she calls him saras now...fully submerged in her Ehsaas...

Her own battle has just started...between her mind and heart!

Fully concur. In fact Saras has taken a step back from "ehsaas" today while Kumud has marked an impactful return to it. For Saras it is going to be latent. Kumud's ehsaas will be her forefront.

Isn't that what the story should be? ...the bond has been forged between these two...unbreakable and unshakeable...(Pramad realizes this subconsciously...remember his statement which went on thelines of "how come both are so unflappable?")

...so come what may, whether they are together or miles apart, married to each other or to others...they have their own private space which is only for these two...no one can enter it...and this bond & their own private space will pull them through...I had said something to this effect at the start of the serial a long time ago on CB...

2) Similarly case applies to kusum...yeah she's a bit slow...but from her perspective all she knows is that pramad drinks everyday, has an affair with kalika...she doesn't know the maniac person pramad is...kumud has never told him that..

So wouldn't she think that maybe there's a chance for Pramad & Kumud?

Yes, but to equate pyar as jealousy? Again Hgg bhai... "Ivy" recedes and my off-line self intercedes... The message sent out was wrong. Kusum's logic was wrong. Kusum herself was wrong at that point. She would think, first and foremost of the desire to save her sister from Saras' clutches. She would and I for one, am not giving her words much importance. Kusum is only being indulged by Saras.

I would like to quote smrth's way here..made most emphatically during VC behavior discussions...Are we as viewers who have a 360 degree perspective and our own set of expectations doing injustice to the way the characters are behaving?

There have been some leaps recently that cannot be accounted for or explained away. If it is in service of a greater design, all the more good. But till we reach there, on an epi-to-epi basis Hgg bhai, reactions will "see-saw" 😳

Bottomline...Both kumud & kusum have incomplete information...and behaving just as they should given the context and their own characters...

Let's see if Kumud gets to know Pramad is out to hunt Saraswatichandra 😊

Let's blame the CVs tomorrow if and when we see a Pramad-Kumud or Saras-Kusum track...

But as of today, I feel the markers indicate an alignment with the original story...

Maybe so, Hgg bhai, but there is no obligation on part of the new PH to follow 'source'... In fact, reading their statement, audience expectation is promised to be met and exceeded. So would the same frameworks of SLB day's still suffice in this new era for SC?

Edited by IdiotViewer - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#85
Ivy-

Yes..
- Everyone on Team Kumud (kumud, saras, kusum, MIL) complacent and patting themselves somewhat..
- Kusum is the well -intentioned but stupid bull in the china shop..
- Everyone on Team Pramad (Pramad, Kalika) intensifying their probing attacks to find a chink in Team Kumud's defenses and take them all down..

Way forward depends on the answer to one query...

- if the new PH has taken over production rights ..is it limited to tactical operations stuff only or also creative direction too?
- Does SLB still retain limited creative control...sort of like the Chairman of the Board of a company...where the CEO (new PH) manages the operations and has lots of operational freedom (story tracks) but takes overall direction (source) from the Chairman of the Board (SLB)?

- Meaning the new PH can play out the story he wants using SP inputs...but the overall broad direction of the story is still determined by SLB...

If not then we will see the utter destruction of everything...

PLUS add need for high TRPS

Then none of the frameworks will apply...There is no hope then...

BTW:
I had mentally delinked the source right around the time kumud 'confessed' to pramad...I had spent a few depressed days going W*F...

Have had my detox...

I guess the rest of you are now gettig there...So you will have to do your own detox..

Currently am blissfully unconcerned and getting postively surprised ...my expectations were reset too low... so the last epis I feel were a pull-back to original...

I watch only to see what happens to one of the best, real, 'With it' women characters I have ever had the pleasure of seeing on Hindi television...kumud...the class, chutzpah, fierceness, love, loyalty, sassiness, pride, morals, can-do etc. etc..

If that 'character' too goes for a toss and even walks towards becoming a simpering bahu...I am out of here...
Its like I was out of the door anyway last week...the show called back...I have half turned and hearing what it has to say...My mind is still set to leave...If it entices I will return...If not then back to my happy bubble of SLB...

Neways for my daily hindi tv show fix...I see the new Mahabharat promos and think that is going to be a different high-end / high calibre show...The visuals look fab...

I once knew like the back of my hand all the back-stories, names, links, relationships, who behaves why, etc. of ALL the characters - minor & major...If it is good...Would love to revist my history & mythology again... 😎

So SC has a replacement ...it is up to it to deliver...




Edited by hotdogg - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#86
Thanks for the SC song lyrics Arshi. They are very enlightening. Also a testament to the story that GC wrote. A journey of a man and what he came across and how he distributed his knowledge and made others lives better. It was not a love story but a story of a messiah.

We dared to dream different by pining up hopes on the one promise SLB made to us of 'mukammal Mohabbat Ki dastaan ab hogi poori' but ab toh SLB anyway isn't a part of the show toh we all need to accept that this story isn't a SC's own love story!
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Posted: 12 years ago
#87
Hgg bhai... Very true and cheers for the 'concede' 😳

I guess that is the way forward... Replace expectations on minimum and see what happens, hopefully it can only go up from there on... Again for me, characters are still functioning as 'conduits'... I'm programmed that way. Cannot be helped now. So I view their actions on a larger plane and not as character-focused as you percieve.

I will stick to the bitter end, Hgg bhai. I want to beat CV's at their own game. Whatever they tell, I will do opposite from sheer obstinancy... Might as well have some fun 😆

I'm happy you have found an alternative... I believe that will be rich with symbolisms, history and deeper meaning. For my part, I'm gonna join smrth Bhai with MZZBH, we might open up a chat thread... I'm yet to see a single epi because one tv show is all I can manage right now. But smrth Bhai has made the option sound incredibly worthy, I have to add. So I will definitely watch.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#88
Arshi apt use of words..gopi wov! They are making saras into the serial Bahu who is faced with all the blows and wordly tortures but yet she selflessly sacrifices her whole life just to solve mysteries! Jai ho trp maiyya Ki! Vaat laga di poor GC Ki!
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Posted: 12 years ago
#89
@ santhi - I totally feel the same way as u abt pramaad's behaviour being ignored and its highly irritating that kusum
Is happily lecturing Saras on what he did but Pramad's antics and cheating on Kumud...subhanallah!
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Posted: 12 years ago
#90
I agree !! This is weird , how can the protagonist be so weak ?! Its time for Saras to come back into action !!!


Appt. rating !!!


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