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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Adiani


@bold - so true, and she will rise to it, and not be submissive and docile, as the precap shows

Maybe Kalikas father reminded her of the impact on her own father, becos in her convo with Saras, she did not put kalika in the equation. Her concern was only for her own father

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Hello CBians, thank you all for the lovely Eid wishes 🤗 The holidays went by fantastic. Back to the grind now... Just caught up on all epis.. Coming to the discussion belatedly, but still, I'm habit-challenged... De-brief's a must =)

Wednesday's Epi: Was perhaps the best epi of SC (Kalyug phase) thus far... Because it was so intimate. Concentrating exclusively on the two leads & those leads gave it their career's best. This was sheer GR-JW magic and they took it to a level uncharted yet again! Standin-frickin-ovation to both 👏

Something that stayed with me:
There were still so many lines between the two. Tangible, abstract, emotional, mental, past, present, future and moral. They both stayed in & worked around that to make their points. To make themselves heard. It wasn't ideal for Saras-Kumud but it was all they have right now & they made the best of it. It was indicative of their future equation as well. Lines were set, without saying a word. And the beauty of it is that they both tacitly affirmed and respected those boundaries. They will have to for it will become a way of life for them from here on...

"Haq" is going to take a backseat. Implicit and underlying each of their exchange, but will not be outright exercised unless need be. "Hadd" is going to define their interpersonal equation. The simple distinction of from being "in love" to "love" has come to pass. Saras standing by K will be testament to his love. Kumud, letting Saras help her will be evidence of the ehsaas that once raged within her. But that fire has become tempered now. It no longer consumes but burns on with a steady consummate blaze. Because their love does not need to blaze a trail any longer. Ishq mein reh kar unho ne imtehaan diya. With less than desired results. Ab mohabbat nibha kar hi woh aane waale imtehaano mein paas honge. And in this, visible manifestations of their love will only work against them. Rather, it is time that the "ehsaas" becomes an immanent part of them. Not necessarily in evidence in each one of their interactions but nonetheless guiding and fortifying them in their tasks every step of the way. That will be unconditional love. A love that refuses to stay within conventional boxes. A love that still has the power to usher in another inconcievable destruction but will instead be applied in the service of overall "good" this time. Not self-sacrificing. But selfless. There be the minute yet crucial difference.

Thursday's Epi:
Alpha K's back. And her first course of action was: torch it! But then, err, Kalika prevailed... Not taking Kalika's defeat per se. It was knee-jerk, it was unassumingly strategic. It was not a wholehearted repentance. Kumud's not "Master" yet. Kumud can never be "Master" in the whole sense. "Destiny" & a confluence of events has rendered her "servile". But Kumud can fulfill that charge with her head held high. This is where empowerment/Nayi Soch will come in. A striking compromise, but one tilted just a smidge in K's favor. In a mixture of her individual Alpha-ness and ingrained family principles, she will uphold and fulfill her duty. Now that in some sense she has recieved the only validation which matters. She'll defy the image in the mirror now. Her two identities have fused and Kumudsundari has come out supreme. Even in BD's house, as BD's DIL, VC's izzat is foremost for her. That is closer to the Kumud we and Saras know. And love. The one all wanted to see back. Because Kumud is in essence first about her family & then about herself. It was just a matter of seeing her call upon the Desai's as her bastion of strength, them for her & her for them. Proactively, rather than engaging in compelled deception, overawed by the cruel machinations of fate. That facet has now come to pass. So, bravo! 👏

P.S. Kalika aside. Who I'm really waiting for is Pramad ki Padma 😃

Friday's epi:
The mandir scene. Left me wanting. Blame execution for this. And something else I cannot put my finger on. Like it was forced somehow... Lodged into the narrative to respond to the question marks. Personal preference - but I would've wanted those question marks to remain hovering. It gave a certain sense of enigma to the whole internal struggle process. Now, with outright definition, that mystique has been lost. Strictly in my humble opinion. With the "answers" now revealed, all will have to align their markers accordingly. Markers "imposed" on an analytical level, so don't appreciate that. Imagination's been constrained and expectations fairly dumbed-down. One "spoon-feed" I could've done without

Some of K's reasons went way over my head and I don't agree with. Some gave further validity to K's dominant Alpha characterisation & her healthy ego. Witness her stumble & fall on her way to S? That stumble & fall is but K's innate nature. Nature she will have to adjust in the course of her circumstance. She will fight everything, even "herself", in the path that will lead her back to Saras. Pramad is not her destiny. Saras is. Even destiny will ultimately concede in front of that fact. Kumud has not accepted her destiny. Unbeknowst, she will fight against it for reasons not yet fathomed. Not for bappu's izzat et all... Those reasons tho valid & true are merely surface. In reality, deep down inside, K will fight "destiny" itself to reach her true place, potential in life.

The best thing about it was S' smile in the end. It was like a "Mission Acomplished, Mr. Saraswatichandra... Kumud is back! 👍🏼" It was Saras' second step in his path back to facing the moon with full conviction again. He brought K back. And then he let her go. To do what she needed to do, because he understands K so, so well. He knows Alpha K's first priority will be her marital obligations and he is ready to accept that. He will even help if need be to right & steady her current course. But he will not exert haqs and make her path difficult. He will stay within hadd's and do all to be a positive encouraging element on her side. And maybe in the course that brutally torn trust can be slowly repaired. So this was S' first show of selfless "love". He "nursed" her to a much healthier state by giving her the answers to the questions which tormented her so, he took away her "crutch" but enabled her to face the mirror again with defiance. Now he will let her do what she has to. Secure in the conviction that Kumud is up for it. She is willing to do battle... Ik khoj Saras ki bhi thi, in his determined trespasses of late upon K, Saras neeyat dhoond raha tha. And now that he has found it. He will take a step back. No trespasses from him any longer. Just simple, sure support. Because now Saras has something to prove to Kumud. That he can sustain "relations". Even if it be a relation that no one recognizes, a relation that manifests itself only in memories and ehsaas... A relation that with all of the filth around, will have an upward battle to present itself as pure. A relation that will have to stand the test of time, of allegations, and of countless yawning chasms.

Right now, S & K's priorities are different. And both know and accept it. Only S can make strides towards an ideal of "selfless love". For K, her "love" will be more submerged in the quagmire of her obligations. K will still inside be "in love", fortified by her hurt that he ended it all with that phone call. Natural and reasonable. But Saras, he has moved from "in love". He loves her now. That manifested in his pure simple action of letting her "go"... In the beatific smile flitting upon his visage... Sad because he is losing her. Satisfaction because he was succesful in bringing K's fighting spirit back. It also validated how well S knows K. And happy, because K will bear strikes no longer. And those that she will, he will bear them with her, if not for her. Saras has made his position in K's life v clear. They're connected, in pain, in hurt and in blood now. If nothing else. Also a curious mention, Saras somewhere inside, in his dominant Beta defers to the dominant Alpha in Kumud. It just seemed like he was happy to draw strength from his Kumud, once again, just as he was whole-heartedly offering her his untapped reservoir to draw in from. For what was his resolve in the end but a hark-back/another vow to the moon: "I will not desert her this time. I will stay. In my limits. By her side. Just like I promised in front of you once upon. Only difference was those limits were of passion and possession. But these limits are of the desire to finally see Kumud and myself... "Home".

So yes, it was effective in that it moved the narrative action forward but it was done heavy-handedly. Clunky... and call me spolit rotten but that's not my default expectation from SC. While usually that element is there in spades, this once the golden "affect" was lacking. And sorely missed. Ergo, heartstrings that should've been tugged, weren't. Also wasn't so immersed to let the incongruities pass muster.

Bottom line & apologies for being blunt with this: It wasn't done & done in the best Saraswatichandra style.
Edited by IdiotViewer - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: IdiotViewer

Hello CBians, thank you all for the lovely Eid wishes 🤗 The holidays went by fantastic. Back to the grind now... Just caught up on all epis.. Coming to the discussion belatedly, but still, I'm habit-challenged... De-brief's a must =)
Welcome back, Ivy! 😊
...
Saras standing by K will be testament to his love. Kumud, letting Saras help her will be evidence of the ehsaas that once raged within her.

Ishq mein reh kar unho ne imtehaan diya. With less than desired results. Ab mohabbat nibha kar hi woh aane waale imtehaano mein paas honge.
Waah, you say it the best...👏
...

The best thing about it was S' smile in the end. It was like a "Mission Acomplished, Mr. Saraswatichandra... Kumud is back! 👍🏼" It was Saras' second step in his path back to facing the moon with full conviction again. He brought K back. And then he let her go. ...

To do what she needed to do, because he understands K so, so well. He knows Alpha K's first priority will be her marital obligations and he is ready to accept that. He will even help if need be to right & steady her current course. But he will not exert haqs and make her path difficult. He will stay within hadd's and do all to be a positive encouraging element on her side. And maybe in the course that brutally torn trust can be slowly repaired. So this was S' first show of selfless "love". He "nursed" her to a much healthier state by giving her the answers to the questions which tormented her so, he took away her "crutch" but enabled her to face the mirror again with defiance.

Now he will let her do what she has to. Secure in the conviction that Kumud is up for it. She is willing to do battle... Ik khoj Saras ki bhi thi, in his determined trespasses of late upon K, Saras neeyat dhoond raha tha. And now that he has found it. He will take a step back. No trespasses from him any longer. Just simple, sure support. Because now Saras has something to prove to Kumud. That he can sustain "relations". Even if it be a relation that no one recognizes, a relation that manifests itself only in memories and ehsaas... A relation that with all of the filth around, will have an upward battle to present itself as pure. A relation that will have to stand the test of time, of allegations, and of countless yawning chasms.

Right now, S & K's priorities are different. And both know and accept it. Only S can make strides towards an ideal of "selfless love". For K, her "love" will be more submerged in the quagmire of her obligations. K will still inside be "in love", fortified by her hurt that he ended it all with that phone call. Natural and reasonable. But Saras, he has moved from "in love". He loves her now.

That manifested in his pure simple action of letting her "go"... In the beatific smile flitting upon his visage... Sad because he is losing her. Satisfaction because he was succesful in bringing K's fighting spirit back. It also validated how well S knows K. And happy, because K will bear strikes no longer.
...
For what was his resolve in the end but a hark-back/another vow to the moon: "I will not desert her this time. I will stay. In my limits. By her side. Just like I promised in front of you once upon. Only difference was those limits were of passion and possession. But these limits are of the desire to finally see Kumud and myself... "Home".
...
Once again, you've read between the lines and peeled back the layers... S- F-Ovation to you!

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: IdiotViewer

Hello CBians, thank you all for the lovely Eid wishes 🤗 The holidays went by fantastic. Back to the grind now... Just caught up on all epis.. Coming to the discussion belatedly, but still, I'm habit-challenged... De-brief's a must =)

Wednesday's Epi: Was perhaps the best epi of SC (Kalyug phase) thus far... Because it was so intimate. Concentrating exclusively on the two leads & those leads gave it their career's best. This was sheer GR-JW magic and they took it to a level uncharted yet again! Standin-frickin-ovation to both 👏

Something that stayed with me:
There were still so many lines between the two. Tangible, abstract, emotional, mental, past, present, future and moral. They both stayed in & worked around that to make their points. To make themselves heard. It wasn't ideal for Saras-Kumud but it was all they have right now & they made the best of it. It was indicative of their future equation as well. Lines were set, without saying a word. And the beauty of it is that they both tacitly affirmed and respected those boundaries. They will have to for it will become a way of life for them from here on...

.

Thursday's Epi:
Alpha K's back. And her first course of action was: torch it! But then, err, Kalika prevailed... Not taking Kalika's defeat per se. It was knee-jerk, it was unassumingly strategic. It was not a wholehearted repentance. Kumud's not "Master" yet. Kumud can never be "Master" in the whole sense. "Destiny" & a confluence of events has rendered her "servile". But Kumud can fulfill that charge with her head held high. This is where empowerment/Nayi Soch will come in. A striking compromise, but one tilted just a smidge in K's favor. In a mixture of her individual Alpha-ness and ingrained family principles, she will uphold and fulfill her duty. Now that in some sense she has recieved the only validation which matters. She'll defy the image in the mirror now. Her two identities have fused and Kumudsundari has come out supreme. Even in BD's house, as BD's DIL, VC's izzat is foremost for her. That is closer to the Kumud we and Saras know. And love. The one all wanted to see back. Because Kumud is in essence first about her family & then about herself. It was just a matter of seeing her call upon the Desai's as her bastion of strength, them for her & her for them. Proactively, rather than engaging in compelled deception, overawed by the cruel machinations of fate. That facet has now come to pass. So, bravo! 👏

P.S. Kalika aside. Who I'm really waiting for is Pramad ki Padma 😃...(b)

Friday's epi:
The mandir scene. Left me wanting. Blame execution for this. And something else I cannot put my finger on. Like it was forced somehow... Lodged into the narrative to respond to the question marks. Personal preference - but I would've wanted those question marks to remain hovering. It gave a certain sense of enigma to the whole internal struggle process. Now, with outright definition, that mystique has been lost. Strictly in my humble opinion. With the "answers" now revealed, all will have to align their markers accordingly. Markers "imposed" on an analytical level, so don't appreciate that. Imagination's been constrained and expectations fairly dumbed-down. One "spoon-feed" I could've done without ...(a)



Right now, S & K's priorities are different. And both know and accept it. Only S can make strides towards an ideal of "selfless love". For K, her "love" will be more submerged in the quagmire of her obligations. K will still inside be "in love", fortified by her hurt that he ended it all with that phone call. Natural and reasonable. But Saras, he has moved from "in love". He loves her now. That manifested in his pure simple action of letting her "go"... In the beatific smile flitting upon his visage... Sad because he is losing her. Satisfaction because he was succesful in bringing K's fighting spirit back. It also validated how well S knows K. And happy, because K will bear strikes no longer. And those that she will, he will bear them with her, if not for her. Saras has made his position in K's life v clear. They're connected, in pain, in hurt and in blood now. If nothing else. Also a curious mention, Saras somewhere inside, in his dominant Beta defers to the dominant Alpha in Kumud. It just seemed like he was happy to draw strength from his Kumud, once again, just as he was whole-heartedly offering her his untapped reservoir to draw in from. For what was his resolve in the end but a hark-back/another vow to the moon: "I will not desert her this time. I will stay. In my limits. By her side. Just like I promised in front of you once upon. Only difference was those limits were of passion and possession. But these limits are of the desire to finally see Kumud and myself... "Home".

So yes, it was effective in that it moved the narrative action forward but it was done heavy-handedly. Clunky... and call me spolit rotten but that's not my default expectation from SC. While usually that element is there in spades, this once the golden "affect" was lacking. And sorely missed. Ergo, heartstrings that should've been tugged, weren't. Also wasn't so immersed to let the incongruities pass muster...(a).

Bottom line & apologies for being blunt with this: It wasn't done & done in the best Saraswatichandra style.


Welcome back Ivy ji. We missed your exquisite analysis. Esp. on Wedenesday episode. Also Remembered you then much about the 'lines'. So many lines everywhere.😲

a... I had a similar feeling of 'wanting' on Friday... Kind of a forceful assertion done insistingly. Not as natural or comparable to Wednesday. Have tried to define in an answer to Twila on P13...

b...looks 'like' finance and economy are exerting some 'cuts'. As few artists as they may do with? Many original artists are noticeably 'absent' even when important threads are hanging. Esp. Dubai scene. So perhaps we may hear Padma only in Phone conversations? Or Perhaps at very 'end' of act of 2? That's a change somewhat. Kalika was Kumud's tag on Pramaad, Padma was SC's tag. Let's see.
(P.s. have you also noticed a loose 'anagram' connection? 'Pramaad ki Padma!) 😆

Edited by smrth - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: smrth


Welcome back Ivy ji. We missed your exquisite analysis. Esp. on Wedenesday episode. Also Remembered you then much about the 'lines'. So many lines everywhere.😲

a... I had a similar feeling of 'wanting' on Friday... Kind of a forceful assertion done insistingly. Not as natural or comparable to Wednesday. Have tried to define in an answer to Twila on P13...

b...looks 'like' finance and economy are exerting some 'cuts'. As few artists as they may do with? Many original artists are noticeably 'absent' even when important threads are hanging. Esp. Dubai scene. So perhaps we may hear Padma only in Phone conversations? Or Perhaps at very 'end' of act of 2? That's a change somewhat. Kalika was Kumud's tag on Pramaad, Padma was SC's tag. Let's see.


smrth Bhai, Wednesday's episode was a bloody frickin' gem... The pinnacle of SC thus far in terms of subtlety, intimacy and affect. Have watched it about five times already... & counting 😳

Friday's episode did not cut it for me... I don't prefer SC to be this in-the-face... Seemed like it was the need of the hour for CV's... But now, K will be put into boxes by her own assertion... This I didn't like

Regarding "Padma"... You may be right. Had occasion to talk to the friend of an associate, here for a visit, during Eid. Curiosity got the better of me, decided to ask about SC, risking the incredulous look of associate that I watch such... Anyways, future is far from secure. Three culprits. All three digging their heels in. The first two, entangled from the start. The third deciding that this all is too much work now. One of the three must give in... Otherwise SC will give for good But yeah, this is one side of the story... From one "culprit", no less. Dunno if CB is the place for it... Apologies for diverge 😳
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Posted: 12 years ago

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smrth Bhai, Wednesday's episode was a bloody frickin' gem... The pinnacle of SC thus far in terms of subtlety, intimacy and affect. Have watched it about five times already... & counting 😳

Friday's episode did not cut it for me... I don't prefer SC to be this in-the-face... Seemed like it was the need of the hour for CV's... But now, K will be put into boxes by her own assertion... This I didn't like

Regarding "Padma"... You may be right. Had occasion to talk to the friend of an associate, here for a visit, during Eid. Curiosity got the better of me, decided to ask about SC, risking the incredulous look of associate that I watch such... Anyways, future is far from secure. Three culprits. All three digging their heels in. The first two, entangled from the start. The third deciding that this all is too much work now. One of the three must give in... Otherwise SC will give for good But yeah, this is one side of the story... From one "culprit", no less. Dunno if CB is the place for it... Apologies for diverge 😳


I added a quip that I had felt while reading ( else, Padma as name was somewhat inconsistent from author's penchant for attribute symbolism in the 'names'!) 'Pramad ki Padma' a loose anagram connection.😕
@ bold underline, have stopped 'accepting' cheeky comments from the friends since earlier brief stint with PR. my wish!😡😆

kind of a vector that strays too far off in longer run, even if put slightly off course at a point...for this is dangerously veering off the source nuances, suited to cater palates perhaps. But they may also have means to come back to the original course. Padma being one...


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Originally posted by: smrth


I added a quip that I had felt while reading ( else, Padma as name was somewhat inconsistent from author's penchant for attribute symbolism in the 'names'!) 'Pramad ki Padma' a loose anagram connection.😕
@ bold underline, have stopped 'accepting' cheeky comments from the friends since earlier brief stint with PR. my wish!😡😆

kind of a vector that strays too far off in longer run, even if put slightly off course at a point...for this is dangerously veering off the source nuances, suited to cater palates perhaps. But they may also have means to come back to the original course. Padma being one...



@Bold Even I thought so, that it was too "cute" for author... But bit my tongue thinking that perhaps a deeper signifier underlies... Thank you for removing doubt 😊
"PR" being (if it is name of show)? Sorry I'm an amatuer in Indian telly world 😳

Friday's epi was sorta playing to the galley... While Wed's epi was pure class... Not to read too much but already a "clash of sensibilities" by the powers-that-be seem underway... What of the "legacy" of source in midst of all? For some I know, veering v much off source would amount to nothing less than desecration... So passionate are a certain generation about this work
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Oh PR! My first stint with Indian soaps. Pavitra Rishata...Archana/ Ankita Lokhande held me enchanted for a brief stint..that came to an abrupt end, courtesy IF forum's kind intervention!😆
A stint, that was mortifying to find oneself in, esp. after animated and 'dedicated' attempts ( and failed) to wean Mom away from her 'Kyonki Saas...madness" addiction earlier!😲😆

@ 'preservation Of legacy"...Yes, I respect them. But I tell you, as the articles show, even venerated generations have found 'a pompous' chauvinistic inconsistency about the 'END'- right from the day it appeared. But G.m.T. Was too venerable an icon by then. Why! I have some exact opposite reaction from a similar venerable class of Elders. And ivy, I am ready to fight my case out to its logical end. It's so inconsistent with even the 'stated goal' of the work. Notice, I can not bring myself ever to mention this other than a'work', despite its awesome depth and my acute incompetence in comparison. Just a nobody in comparison. And yet every ounce of 'rationale' - common or 'scholastic' is rejecting it. Not even in contemporaneous sense. Even as per the very Goal of the work...But not now...more in the later friend.
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smrth Bhai, not "END" per se... M quite conscious of your view to the END and I support it. END is where I want to see the "adaptation" come into its own. I was more referring to the use and introduction of major characters a la Padma... In the midst of production issues, essence must not be forfeited. I'd like the major high points of story to be still hit, so that the new generation coming to the 'work' is not deprived... I also concur about your thoughts re: author. G.M.T has legendary status and in some ways Saraswatichandra's but his "legend"... So the respect accorded to the author is in some ways transferred/projected to the source too. Oh, in this case I'll assist, for all the insight you've provided regarding 'work', consider yours truly, if ever warranted, an earnest "second chair" 😳

Edit: In hindsight perhaps, "legacy" was incorrect term to use... 😊
Edited by IdiotViewer - 12 years ago
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smrth Bhai, not "END" per se... M quite conscious of your view to the END and I support it. END is where I want to see the "adaptation" come into its own. I was more referring to the use and introduction of major characters a la Padma... In the midst of production issues, essence must not be forfeited. I'd like the major high points of story to be still hit, so that the new generation coming to the 'work' is not deprived... I also concur about your thoughts re: author. G.M.T has legendary status and in some ways Saraswatichandra's but his "legend"... So the respect accorded to the author is in some ways transferred/projected to the source too. Oh, in this case I'll assist, for all the insight you've provided regarding 'work', consider yours truly, if ever warranted, an earnest "second chair" 😳


Edit: In hindsight perhaps, "legacy" was incorrect term to use... 😊


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