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Originally posted by: arshicritic

this question @ Kaadal's perspective:

so, the author and the adapter both earn cash and fame, but what about the integrity of the creation

itself?

the original story in which Saras was a weakling, and by making him a strong hot character,

we no longer have the same Saras, and by not having a self sacrificing Kumud,

we no longer have have the same Kumud, so we no longer have the same story

what about the ethical issue of honesty to a piece of art?

Originally posted by: arshicritic

When do the TRP ratings come out? For the first time, I am eagerly waiting for the result

Arshi, lastly if all your frustration is because of the show, I am with you all the way. Even if they are trying hard I feel the script is loose, not tightly written to keep us engrossed in a track, a bit slow in many places. I almost sometimes feel there is no story at all and was thinking of asking someone who has read it whether the novel was the same. But my frustration is not because he is not sticking to the original but because I would like to enjoy whatever is currently shown. Maybe he himself is struggling to keep up with the original but still getting squashed in these media politics.

@arshi

I guess people accept Pride & Prejudice in pure adaptations and inspirations / interpretations because the ratio of darkness / tragedy is not so high and the essence of dilemmas for the lead pair are still not so inconsistent with current norms...therefore can be a inspired film (Bridget Jones diary), original film or TV series... And viewers can take their pick of which version appeals to them.

...whereas in SC the ratio of darkness / tragedy is higher..and in its written format is too highly inconsistent with current social norms...and so long...5 volumes... that you cannot make a film without sequels like Lord of the Rings..and no one will see the sequel coz its tragedy...1 film cannot cover all the matter..

So we come back to my argument..it only works in a TV series.. And you have to decide between option A or option B...and it looks like the vieweres prefer Option B ..which is becoming the default choice as this story is getting retold.

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Originally posted by: kaadal

Arshi, I have no idea about the character Saras in the original story, when you say he was a weakling, I will take it from @smrth's comments on how he succumbs to his step mom's evil plots and leaves Kumud halfway even when he promised her of his love. How can you be sure this Saras will not face the same scenario and if he does would you call that character a weakling or someone who fell into the clutches of destiny ? Maybe you might clarify for me why do you think Saras was a weak character in the novel ? And as for him being hot in his romance it actually agains comes down to perspective of the writer. I have to know the details of the Saras in the novel to know what romance he had with Kumud, but here we know it is spicing it up for the TRP. It might not work with TRP, but a try which every producer takes to save his show.

Now about Kumud, again the same question what self sacrificing did she do in the novel ? I don't know if the Kumud in the novel was docile in nature, but the Kumud who was shown in the movie itself was educated(taken in 1968) and we are in 2013. When making a remake wouldn't the Kumud be according to this times, isn't it why a remake ? And when you say self sacrificing, this Kumud even if broad minded in her thoughts succumbs herself to her family's decision and will do the same however she is in love with him. So the base of the characters are still there as far as I can see but not to T.

Now for the Pride and prejudice, I love the book and the movie but you know which one I love the best. The one with Colin Firth and even if I have watched the earlier ones for the costumes or the lifestyle, I still prefer the one in which Colin was Mr. Darcy. Dishonesty to a piece of art is when you completely make it as your story, there is no evidence of the original left and I wouldn't accept it until I see more of the show. It is too early to say he hasn't done honesty to the piece. I still have to say if the characters basic characteristics and synopsis of the story are maintained, it is worth a watch.

Even I would like to see the original made as it is, but think from the producer's aspect. He is not doing any charity work, he wants to show the story and at the same time make a profit. I am sure even he might be feeling bad adding up spices for TRP sake, but is he left with any choice ? This situation is like Indian politics, for centuries many have tried to change but have they succeeded ? We are always in the same whirlpool and who is the culprit here, the people or the politicians ?

Lastly, I would just say it depends on your view. If SLB sticks to original to the T and it doesn't run, a group would have said who will watch such a dark, sad show which took place in 19's and the other group happy that he stuck to it. As for the integrity of the creation itself, he is trying to be honest to his characters within the boundaries he has been given otherwise would we have enjoyed the show until now.

Hmm theek hai,

Saras being weak - this only partially from Samarth, also from what I remember of the movie, a

discussion with my mom who loved the movie,

also my perception that all romantic heroes of that era were weak - devdas being a case in point

and all heroines were strong , not because they rebelled, but because they confirmed and

never complained - something we will not accept from a girl of today

When I read your perspective, I get it, and also realise, that all stories when retold do get altered

so I guess, thats the way of things, even the authors themselves will change their tale when

retelling

And it just struck me after reading you, that for my mom, the original is the movie, which probably

is vastly different from the book, and so the original itself is in 2 versions today.

Yes it is too early to say if SLB will be honest to the original or not, I was merely raising it from an

academic interest.

The SLB version will be interesting, and fascinating, and when I read you all I am convinced

but one stubborn corner of my heart refuses to let go of my "Purist" stand!!😊

I am 98% convince by you and hotdogg, my 2% - i want SLB to prove me wrong

Originally posted by: kaadal

Arshi, lastly if all your frustration is because of the show, I am with you all the way. Even if they are trying hard I feel the script is loose, not tightly written to keep us engrossed in a track, a bit slow in many places. I almost sometimes feel there is no story at all and was thinking of asking someone who has read it whether the novel was the same. But my frustration is not because he is not sticking to the original but because I would like to enjoy whatever is currently shown. Maybe he himself is struggling to keep up with the original but still getting squashed in these media politics.

that is the honest truth Kaadal,

you are right

the romance is fine but i have been restless because its going nowhere,

The story was not supposed to be about a hot Saras and atta, and backless cholis, yet we some

to be not just happy with it, but actually demanding more of it!

where is the emotional intensity, the complexity, the multiple characters,

its just been cute romance and while one week of it was fine,

that it would continue into more of the same - a bit frustrating.

Maybe I am being too impatient, maybe in the long scheme of things

a week or two is not a big deal

but I don't think I would be happy with "150 ways to romance"

Right now SLB is floundering, track is inane, and likely to be so for some more time

yet everyone seems to be really excited about it

Me is not happy

Originally posted by: arshicritic

that is the honest truth Kaadal,

you are right

the romance is fine but i have been restless because its going nowhere,

The story was not supposed to be about a hot Saras and atta, and backless cholis, yet we some

to be not just happy with it, but actually demanding more of it!

where is the emotional intensity, the complexity, the multiple characters,

its just been cute romance and while one week of it was fine,

that it would continue into more of the same - a bit frustrating.

Maybe I am being too impatient, maybe in the long scheme of things

a week or two is not a big deal

but I don't think I would be happy with "150 ways to romance"

Right now SLB is floundering, track is inane, and likely to be so for some more time

yet everyone seems to be really excited about it

Me is not happy

.. He tried to retain too much of the original mood...that did not work...people felt it too slow...resulting in low trp..

...give it time..its a course correction in progress..

...And both he and we are in uncharted waters now..

..I have said earlier too..we will see more of this..maybe a full fledged wedding track...to baseline and steady trp...only then will original plot be added again...

..Maybe the novel is too complex to allow a crisper tv screenplay...

Have to give credit that he is still taking risks by giving romance a breather and trying to move the story forward...if the fight happens then we are back in 'will they - won't they' territory... Difference being earlier they were not in love but now they are...

Hoping he uses this to move the story forward by showing a cementing of their love.. As in ... We will fight and bash each other's heads in today ... But next day we will both still be there with each other... However hard we have fought..

Originally posted by: hotdogg

.. He tried to retain too much of the original mood...that did not work...people felt it too slow...resulting in low trp..

...give it time..its a course correction in progress..

...And both he and we are in uncharted waters now..

..I have said earlier too..we will see more of this..maybe a full fledged wedding track...to baseline and steady trp...only then will original plot be added again...

..Maybe the novel is too complex to allow a crisper tv screenplay...

Have to give credit that he is still taking risks by giving romance a breather and trying to move the story forward...if the fight happens then we are back in 'will they - won't they' territory... Difference being earlier they were not in love but now they are...

Hoping he uses this to move the story forward by showing a cementing of their love.. As in ... We will fight and bash each other's heads in today ... But next day we will both still be there with each other... However hard we have fought..

Originally posted by: kaadal

Hope you are right hotdogg. As for bashing heads and still sticking around all I can say is "been there and done that". I am sure Arshi has too with IPK.

😊true Kaadal, but I was in love with the story and Arnav, and I am still to reach that stage with SC and Saras

I am still struggling with deciding whether it will be worth the while or not

hotdogg, while I know that as a producer, SLB will be TRP driven, I as a viewer dont want to be

I dont want to appreciate the show for high TRPs I want to love it for a story that moves me

the Shayari -just playing to the gallery Kaadal, I want to have more to write about and critique

The honesty that i am talking about - even in CB, now there is no honesty, I also feel as if I am just

writing feel good stuff, because there is nothing else happening, I am also just writing for the

TRP from readers, and not honestly airing my frustration with the show

I want us to discuss more than kiss or no kiss,

one more week - bas, otherwise I will start watching Saath Nibhana Saathiya, it has high TRPs

and is the worst show on earth