Tam of -30/01/2011 to 05/02/2011:Mod's note PG7 - Page 4

Shanti and everyone else

I just want to say that when Ranvir died on the show, it was horrible for us. We got a terrible ending to a jodi we loved a lot just like you guys didn't get a good ending for your jodi when Bidaai ended.

What are you guys doing right now? You guys are looking at trps and rejoicing over how bad they are or whatever. We did exactly the same thing because just like you are now we were upset! You liked Angini, but we liked Ragvir, so as you can see, obviously we were only expressing our feelings just like you guys are now. Most of us didn't mean to hurt Apu fans, we had nothing against him. We just didn't like our jodi being torn apart.

Remember we opened trp topics, what are you guys doing now? You guys are doing the same thing we did. We were hoping for SP to not do well so SP can understand that the leap wasn't what we wanted. You guys are doing the same thing.. hoping that SP wouldn't do well so they can realize they made a mistake by putting Gulal in Bidaai's time and ending Bidaai.

I don't know why we argue about this. In the end we are all in the same position.. upset and hurt over the respective endings of our jodis. Why all this arguing then? Why the bitterness? You see the pain you feel about Angini is the same pain we feel about Ragvir/Saalekh.

I've argued with people here, but I have never held any bitterness. Someone mentioned about not forgiving. I just want to say holding bitterness in and not forgiving people doesn't make anything better. It will only cause YOU more pain and not the people you argued with. It is always better to forgive people and move on. To anyone I have ever argued with, I have never held a grudge nor have I not forgiven the person. I think you guys should forgive and forget. You'll feel better. Bitterness is not a good companion to keep. This is why before I kept saying that we should live and let live. Some people like post leap, some like pre leap. We should all be allowed to express our opinions without arguing. You can't make me like a jodi I don't and I can't make you like a jodi you don't so why argue? Why not accept that you guys like Angini and we like Ragvir? We can accept one another and the criticisms that come with it. If you believe any criticism crosses the line then you report that post. That's what the system is there for.

If I personally have hurt any one you guys, I'm going to apologize and hope that you guys do forgive me.

Oh and someone mentioned CCBM. As for that situation, Nivi was never married to Sid and Sid never supported her when she needed him the most and that is why I didn't support that jodi. When you love someone, you're there for that person regardless. Viren isn't negative, by the way. If you watch the show you'll see that he is just a victim of circumstance and he does love Nivi and Nivi loves him.

shanti & sami...i wont deny the fact tht i was one of the ppl who came to trp thread & wasnt upset over bidaai's falling ratings. But rahm said everything i wanted to say. None of us meant to hurt apurva fans, we were also VERY upset over salekh/ragvir's story ending abruptly...specially i was upset wid salekh's story ending cuz their story had A LOT of potential. I was more upset tht alekh was sidelined so badly after the leap. So with ratings falling, i just wanted CVs to realize what they were doing wrong. And later i bothered the least cuz i was too busy with my TL lol.

No hatred against apurva or his fans at all. You should understand the best cuz some of u r doing the EXACT thing now wishing ccmb & gulal's ratings to fall. Not everybody in tht trps thread r now a TL fan, some of us r other shows fans too. SO my point is TL shudnt be dragged into this all of a sudden now cuz its neither a RS show nor bidaai's ex-time slot show. Now if Tl gets dragged into this, & bidaai 2 comes bak...dnt u think everything's gonna repeat all over again? It has to stop somewhere otherwise this will just coming bak & forth.

Bidaai had to end cuz every show has a certain duration & Bidaai was already 3 years old. And you why TL got a warning? Cuz of stupid arguments between BT & SP. That's just clearly unfair, not karma. On the other hand, RS shows fans r very lucky cuz RS has a good relationship with SP.

Hmm SP gave warning to TL cos SP has issues with Ekta. They are ignoring TL team in their SPA event. lol Does it has anything to do with the storyline or TRPs ? 🤔 Infact the show is doing so well.

Most of the pre-leap fans (except some, well they were/are always trouble makers 😆) had problem with SP and RS's team for changing the storyline so abruptly. lol We had no issues with Apoorva/Anmol or his fans. While the post-leap story might be interesting to some but for us it was cringe-worthy. After investing so much time on this show, what did we get specially SaLekh fans ? lol Nothing, we waited for ages for the couple to consummate their marriage and boom one SR scene..Sadhana is pregnant and dies for her sister. No proper good-bye from her side to Alekh.
Agreed, the post-leap story had potential but did the CVs show anything logical and proper other than torturing the viewers with the same old recyled pre-leap scenes. Alekh became mad again and Angad was totally sidelined. There is no point in taking these things personally. lol

I can see there is a lot of cursing going on for other shows here. lol Last I knew it was Bidaai forum. 😆

Originally posted by: _-sHoNaa-_

^i asked the question to sami, so expecting an answer from her =) & if u want me to find out, i m really not gonna bother. I was just curious tht how sami sees TL getting a warning as a "karma" when TL fans dnt even knw bidaai fans lol (except for me). Just saying instead of saying its a karma, isnt it better to empathize instead cuz both fan bases went through the same thing? No forces...just saying wat i feel =) Peace.

Originally posted by: Rahm

Shanti and everyone else

I just want to say that when Ranvir died on the show, it was horrible for us. We got a terrible ending to a jodi we loved a lot just like you guys didn't get a good ending for your jodi when Bidaai ended.

Well thats our biggest loss.. Since atleast you had ragvir in the happening.. Here Anmol only expressed his feelings for Ragini.. They never allowed ragini to express her side of her feelings and they axed the show!!

What are you guys doing right now? You guys are looking at trps and rejoicing over how bad they are or whatever. We did exactly the same thing because just like you are now we were upset! You liked Angini, but we liked Ragvir, so as you can see, obviously we were only expressing our feelings just like you guys are now. Most of us didn't mean to hurt Apu fans, we had nothing against him. We just didn't like our jodi being torn apart.

When bidaaii was still on the charts and they were only on the 8 th 9th maximum it might have gone to the 11th or 12th people used to come and criticize it and make fun of the post leap..
The chemistry between anmol and ragini is not working or whatever...

About other shows on the charts we do not wish it shutting down but seeing its performance how come SP is still holding on to them is our means of discussion,...

Since Bidaaii was no one on the charts when it ended post leap and it was axed. Shows which are at the later 20's are not moving up the charts towards 15 or 10 with good actors was our criteria of understanding. So whats lacking is the debate we are trying to analyze.. And not feeling happy about it..

Myself and many others who joined post leap came to this forum to enjoy Apurva's role and his chemistry with his costar coz he has a track record of creating magic according to a few of us who believed in his capabilities and when there were several posts made abt the TRPs not doing well because of such and such jodi (mainly angini) it was truly unfair to be so judgmental when the show just started creating this jodi postleap,

Then why did'nt KInshuk take up the challenge of playing the role of a father.. I mean all he needed to do is wear glasses and look a little different. Then they could have continued for 3 months with Ragvir and ended it. I do not know deatils I am just wondering cause its something I think is'nt that difficult or tough for an actor who is so dedicated to do.
I have seen actors like Priyanka chopra who is playing the role of a lady from 22 to 60 years and she has remarkable make up done..

Also to my understanding when people say that the should have ended the show last june preleap itself, I believe that teh shows have certain length time and if they shut it earlier then they have to pay huge penalty or incur big loss..since other shows in pipeline are given certain time frame.May be thats why SP asked RS to take the leap...

Remember we opened trp topics, what are you guys doing now? You guys are doing the same thing we did. We were hoping for SP to not do well so SP can understand that the leap wasn't what we wanted. You guys are doing the same thing.. hoping that SP wouldn't do well so they can realize they made a mistake by putting Gulal in Bidaai's time and ending Bidaai.

Well there was a news out that Bidaaii season two To be or Not to be !! and if the news is right or whatever they foresee the comeback may happen after IPL in the 9 pm slot which was taken by Gulaal.

Surely Gulaal was a disaster..at the 9 pm slot..which was Bidaaiis The whole idea of water finding I am not seeing it anywhere ...I wouldn't come home to watch a show which is no where to what they proclaim when it started..

I don't know why we argue about this. In the end we are all in the same position.. upset and hurt over the respective endings of our jodis. Why all this arguing then? Why the bitterness? You see the pain you feel about Angini is the same pain we feel about Ragvir/Saalekh.

Well the pain is there since we are such a minority, the bombardment on this jodi has been our bitter experience...


I've argued with people here, but I have never held any bitterness. Someone mentioned about not forgiving. I just want to say holding bitterness in and not forgiving people doesn't make anything better. It will only cause YOU more pain and not the people you argued with. It is always better to forgive people and move on. To anyone I have ever argued with, I have never held a grudge nor have I not forgiven the person. I think you guys should forgive and forget. You'll feel better. Bitterness is not a good companion to keep. This is why before I kept saying that we should live and let live. Some people like post leap, some like pre leap. We should all be allowed to express our opinions without arguing. You can't make me like a jodi I don't and I can't make you like a jodi you don't so why argue? Why not accept that you guys like Angini and we like Ragvir? We can accept one another and the criticisms that come with it. If you believe any criticism crosses the line then you report that post. That's what the system is there for.

Yes opinions should be allowed but many make it such a big deal that it becomes means of arguing Personally I never want to fight or indulge into heated arguments...I would just express what I feel right and how come we have to be the sufferer in the long run !

Well all i can say there were and still are people who keep doing that and even if reported that person will not be quoted by the mod but the whole post gets closed..
Well we have been victims of such rude remarks...


If I personally have hurt any one you guys, I'm going to apologize and hope that you guys do forgive me.

I can only say about myself that I would never hurt a jodi or say something bitter but Yes I have experienced quite a bit of bitterness from other members of jodis who have liked ragvir

Our bitter experience has its higher stake especially a hand full of us who came to this forum to be a family of the bidaaii forum but have always been bombarded with hate ism since Apurva was paired with Parul So angini was the worst hit !

Oh and someone mentioned CCBM. As for that situation, Nivi was never married to Sid and Sid never supported her when she needed him the most and that is why I didn't support that jodi. When you love someone, you're there for that person regardless. Viren isn't negative, by the way. If you watch the show you'll see that he is just a victim of circumstance and he does love Nivi and Nivi loves him.

What i saw in the beginning was Nivi was in love with Sid and maybe whatever circumstances ..Now finally she has moved on and seeing second chances in love.. I see it that way..
And seeing people accepting that whole heartedly and did'nt see that similar thing could happen with Angini truly makes me wonder.

Marriage ,commitment or whatever may be the circumstances..my way of seeing such situations is you love someone deeply but things do not happen in your favor and you end up loosing your dear ones but inturn there can be someone who would try and give you same depth of happiness...I consider this as second chnaces of love and I see the same trend in other shows and see people accepting that which wasn't accepted here.. Causes could be that they did'nt like this jodi and never thought it would be somthing to give a thought. Fair enough each one has their opnion and one should respect that !


Personally i don't have any grudge against anyone and all I can say is when i see around people enjoying shows with second chances in having love or moving on in life and liking new jodis after bidaaii i feel terribly sorry for the experience we faced when Apurva and parul were paired as Anmol and Ragini

And I learnt one more lesson...that now a days every actor blends well with another actor.. So people accept it and enjoy ..

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@red are my comments just wanted to give my take about how I felt and a few others if they feel they are in the same boat !

I am all for peace.. My bitter experience in bidaaii forum as always left a mark in my mind about changes taken place after a beautiful jodi like angini was made.. I am glad many did like this jodi and are truly at a loss since they never showed how Ragini would move on after she finally thought Anmol could give her the happiness she had lost 7 years ago !!

to all who have commented about me..will reply later when i have time..

Originally posted by: _-sHoNaa-_

shanti & sami...i wont deny the fact tht i was one of the ppl who came to trp thread & wasnt upset over bidaai's falling ratings. But rahm said everything i wanted to say. None of us meant to hurt apurva fans, we were also VERY upset over salekh/ragvir's story ending abruptly...specially i was upset wid salekh's story ending cuz their story had A LOT of potential. I was more upset tht alekh was sidelined so badly after the leap. So with ratings falling, i just wanted CVs to realize what they were doing wrong. And later i bothered the least cuz i was too busy with my TL lol.

No hatred against apurva or his fans at all. You should understand the best cuz some of u r doing the EXACT thing now wishing ccmb & gulal's ratings to fall. Not everybody in tht trps thread r now a TL fan, some of us r other shows fans too. SO my point is TL shudnt be dragged into this all of a sudden now cuz its neither a RS show nor bidaai's ex-time slot show. Now if Tl gets dragged into this, & bidaai 2 comes bak...dnt u think everything's gonna repeat all over again? It has to stop somewhere otherwise this will just coming bak & forth.

Bidaai had to end cuz every show has a certain duration & Bidaai was already 3 years old. And you why TL got a warning? Cuz of stupid arguments between BT & SP. That's just clearly unfair, not karma. On the other hand, RS shows fans r very lucky cuz RS has a good relationship with SP.

I am sure TL will never have the fate Bidaaii had.. You will get your share of happiness..

Its we post leap people who truly saw some depth in some relationship have been the victims of axed show..

Even if the news of Bidaaii two they may just have a different ball game altogether..Who knows whats in store..

I doubt with the shows now being the survival of the fittest many shows neck to neck completion who know tomorrow some other show of RS may face challenges.. So SP may keep whatever show they want and remove whatever they don't ..
I see that its all a money making advertisement business so even for debate sake when things are said

CCMB and Gulaal falling well we are truly surprised why CCMB is not in the top 10 Atleast by now it should have been ..Going by the weekly ratings!

Why is CCMB not giving the expected TRP's.. when many of the fans were just saying that it will rock the charts..

I personally not even bothered abt TRPs, TAM or anything I watch shows to enjoy good entertainment and see the variations in human emotions and see it purely as fiction !!
My experience in Bidaaii forum gave me knowledge about this but I truly wonder why people are so obsessed by TRPs!

Since atleast I can speak for gulaal that the way they projected it and showed the promos taking major of the Maha episode of Bidaaii doesn't seem to show up to the mark..

The logic of the shows beyond my understanding..

I do not wish any show to have the fate Bidaaii had atleast post leap where they did drag so much with the saakshi track and i have knowlegde that there was more story for the show but they had to end it and give the slot to Gulaal.

If my thought have hurt someone which I do not intend to do since my means of pointing out how other shows are still on the charts when Bidaai ended having scope for Angini truly disappointment to me and a few of us who came into this forum to watch Apurva's acting and his chemistry with Ragini !

Well I don't have any bitter feelings against any show I observe what is projected and pour my thoughts out !

Originally posted by: shanti05

When bidaaii was still on the charts and they were only on the 8 th 9th maximum it might have gone to the 11th or 12th people used to come and criticize it and make fun of the post leap..
The chemistry between anmol and ragini is not working or whatever...

Dear, just like you guys are saying Gulaal is not working, people were saying that Bidaai wasn't working then. You know why? Because they didn't like Bidaai post leap. Everyone has their own taste. No one was making fun of it. We just didn't like Bidaai post leap so we were trying to express that. You like Bidaai post leap, no one said hey Shanti, you better not like it, did they? They were only talking about their dislike, that's all. Some people like watching Gulaal, you might not. Same way, we didn't like what Bidaai became. We were promised SO many things by Rajan Shahi that we were waiting for them and then all of a sudden 2 of the leading characters are dead and one is remarried. It happened so fast.. we were just taking out our pain.

About other shows on the charts we do not wish it shutting down but seeing its performance how come SP is still holding on to them is our means of discussion,...

See yaar, we discussed about how can SP hold onto Bidaai when the story is about two sisters and that relationship is gone. I think you guys are focusing only on a few comments and some trouble makers and I can honestly tell you, those small minority are not ALL the Ragvir fans. I remember welcoming you guys to this forum. I never had any hostility towards Apu.

Since Bidaaii was no one on the charts when it ended post leap and it was axed. Shows which are at the later 20's are not moving up the charts towards 15 or 10 with good actors was our criteria of understanding. So whats lacking is the debate we are trying to analyze.. And not feeling happy about it..

We were analyzing too. Farq sirf itna hain ke tab aapko Bidaai pasand thi aur humko nahi.

Myself and many others who joined post leap came to this forum to enjoy Apurva's role and his chemistry with his costar coz he has a track record of creating magic according to a few of us who believed in his capabilities and when there were several posts made abt the TRPs not doing well because of such and such jodi (mainly angini) it was truly unfair to be so judgmental when the show just started creating this jodi postleap,

So they could enjoy it na? Who was stopping them? You guys can open topics saying you love them. Some people can open topics saying they dislike them, so? Everyone has their own opinion na? As long as they aren't bashing, it's okay. And if they were bashing, you should have let the mods handle it.

Then why did'nt KInshuk take up the challenge of playing the role of a father.. I mean all he needed to do is wear glasses and look a little different. Then they could have continued for 3 months with Ragvir and ended it. I do not know deatils I am just wondering cause its something I think is'nt that difficult or tough for an actor who is so dedicated to do.
I have seen actors like Priyanka chopra who is playing the role of a lady from 22 to 60 years and she has remarkable make up done..

Lets not talk about this. That was Kinshuk and the PH's decision. They have a right to make their own decision. We were mad at Rajan Shahi, the Creatives and Star Plus. Bas.. no one else. Those are the people who made promises and broke them. We had so much scope for Ragvir and Saalekh.. we were promised so much and we got nothing. I mean look at you guys.. Angini fans got nothing as well. Doesn't that make you mad? I'm not an Angini fan and I felt bad for you guys because I know how it feels. They did this to us with Ragvir and Saalekh.

Also to my understanding when people say that the should have ended the show last june preleap itself, I believe that teh shows have certain length time and if they shut it earlier then they have to pay huge penalty or incur big loss..since other shows in pipeline are given certain time frame.May be thats why SP asked RS to take the leap...

I think if people said for the show to end then it was out of their pain for what they did to our Bidaai.

Well there was a news out that Bidaaii season two To be or Not to be !! and if the news is right or whatever they foresee the comeback may happen after IPL in the 9 pm slot which was taken by Gulaal.

Surely Gulaal was a disaster..at the 9 pm slot..which was Bidaaiis The whole idea of water finding I am not seeing it anywhere ...I wouldn't come home to watch a show which is no where to what they proclaim when it started..

Some people are watching Gulaal. My point is, everyone has their likes and dislikes. You like something, I like something else, no? Not everyone is the same yaar. I didn't like post leap Bidaai, you did. I never said Shanti, don't post about post leap Bidaai or Angini, so why is it that you guys tell us that we can't express what we feel?


Well the pain is there since we are such a minority, the bombardment on this jodi has been our bitter experience...

No one meant to bombard Angini, but the issue is that one episode Ragini was married to Ranvir and the next she was married to someone else. It was shocking and it made us angry. Personally I didn't like Angini, but you did. To me Ragvir was it. To you Angini was it.


Yes opinions should be allowed but many make it such a big deal that it becomes means of arguing Personally I never want to fight or indulge into heated arguments...I would just express what I feel right and how come we have to be the sufferer in the long run !

Well all i can say there were and still are people who keep doing that and even if reported that person will not be quoted by the mod but the whole post gets closed..
Well we have been victims of such rude remarks...

If the whole post got closed, you should've opened another topic. You don't fight with people like that. You can't win. You ignore. And it's not fair that some people made you punish ALL Ragvir fans.


I can only say about myself that I would never hurt a jodi or say something bitter but Yes I have experienced quite a bit of bitterness from other members of jodis who have liked ragvir

I don't think Ragvir fans were bitter towards you. They were bitter towards losing Ragvir.. bas.

Our bitter experience has its higher stake especially a hand full of us who came to this forum to be a family of the bidaaii forum but have always been bombarded with hate ism since Apurva was paired with Parul So angini was the worst hit !

If Angini is a jodi then Ragvir isn't. So of course Ragvir fans didn't like Angini. Put yourself in our position. If Angini were together and then all of a sudden Ranvir came and was married to Ragini then how would you feel? You would be angry, upset and bitter, no?

What i saw in the beginning was Nivi was in love with Sid and maybe whatever circumstances ..Now finally she has moved on and seeing second chances in love.. I see it that way..
And seeing people accepting that whole heartedly and did'nt see that similar thing could happen with Angini truly makes me wonder.

Marriage ,commitment or whatever may be the circumstances..my way of seeing such situations is you love someone deeply but things do not happen in your favor and you end up loosing your dear ones but inturn there can be someone who would try and give you same depth of happiness...I consider this as second chnaces of love and I see the same trend in other shows and see people accepting that which wasn't accepted here.. Causes could be that they did'nt like this jodi and never thought it would be somthing to give a thought. Fair enough each one has their opnion and one should respect that !

I didn't like the way that Ragini was married right away. If Apu was a friend to Ragini and then they fell in love and got married, I might have accepted Angini, but because one day Ragini was married to Ranvir and then the next she was married to someone else.. it was just weird. Also, the creatives gave Apu the name Anmol which held so much importance in the Ragvir track, it felt like they were slapping us in the face. You see, it wasn't Angini that was the worst hit, but rather the creatives. Ragvir fans felt cheated and hurt and made fun of. The creatives mocked us.


Personally i don't have any grudge against anyone and all I can say is when i see around people enjoying shows with second chances in having love or moving on in life and liking new jodis after bidaaii i feel terribly sorry for the experience we faced when Apurva and parul were paired as Anmol and Ragini

And I learnt one more lesson...that now a days every actor blends well with another actor.. So people accept it and enjoy ..

Look, second chances are great, but we weren't okay with Ragini's second chance because we felt the creatives mocked Ragvir fans. We weren't annoyed with Angini but the creatives.

@red are my comments just wanted to give my take about how I felt and a few others if they feel they are in the same boat !

I am all for peace.. My bitter experience in bidaaii forum as always left a mark in my mind about changes taken place after a beautiful jodi like angini was made.. I am glad many did like this jodi and are truly at a loss since they never showed how Ragini would move on after she finally thought Anmol could give her the happiness she had lost 7 years ago !!

The blue are my comments.

You see, the creatives didn't even give Angini a proper ending just like Ragvir and Saalekh. We should all be on the same side. We were cheated by Rajan Shahi and his team.

Ok I am one of the pre-leap fans who said Bidaai post-leap has no story and was happy that the ratings fell.

Originally posted by: shanti05

I am sure TL will never have the fate Bidaaii had.. You will get your share of happiness..

Really don't know what makes you say that. BT & SP are having personal issues. It's TL, that doesn't get ANY promotions whatsoever. SP gave TL only ONE nomination in SPA, that too cuz we requested SO BADLY but it's not even probably going to win any award...thanks to SP's bias. SP uses TL's leads for promotions cuz they r so popular but in actual they dont give them wat they deserve. I am sorry if its sounds rude but sweetheart you make bidaai sound like its been treated SO badly when its exactly the opposite. As himani (chocolover) said, bidaai has been treated royally all the time.

Its we post leap people who truly saw some depth in some relationship have been the victims of axed show..

If you ask me about bidaai's ending, i thought of it as an "open-to-interpretation" kind of ending. You know the ones where they leave it to the viewers to think what might happen in future. I am not making it sound like which one was more unfair...But for ragvir/salekh fans, there was no option as such. They simply killed either of the leads & told us, there you go your ending. 🥱

I doubt with the shows now being the survival of the fittest many shows neck to neck completion who know tomorrow some other show of RS may face challenges.. So SP may keep whatever show they want and remove whatever they don't ..

IMO it's exactly the opposite. SP is very loyal to RS, trust me.

not replying to the gulal & ccmb points cuz i dnt watch either of the shows. I used them as an example. Rest i think rahm & himani explained beautifully. Sorry my replies weren't exactly at you, it was generally to all ppl who were accusing post-leap-quitters.