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Originally posted by: kiti_g

U hit the nail on the head Ani 👏🏻 Very well put!

The western touch that ARR brought to his songs with the complex arrangement of music is what did it for him IMO. And i do like the songs in Vansh ... very much ... but listen to the music (not vocals) and u will see where ARR succeeded. IR's songs tended to concentrate more on vocals and lyrics thereby sounding melodious. And i cant choose between the two as both have given songs close to my heart!

And post Roja the Tamil movies (and their songs) being dubbed into Hindi suddenly increased and gained prominence and hence many other ARR scores gained popularity ... though pudhiya mugham was actually recreated in hindi and was utterly forgettable!!! Then ARR came on strong with Rangeela on the Bwood scene and suddenly there was no need of his Tamil songs which explains why some of his later scores albeit good are not so popular as Roja!

Abt him being a legend, not very sure if we can call only him that! Like others pointed out JL and SEL are too ... and even ID with his very few but exceptional scores!

AR Rahman is a legend , the one who also brought up Kailash Kher. His simplicity reminds me of Rafi Shaab.👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Originally posted by: Rasny

I agree with u🙂.

hi Rock n roll I am loving your debate but must say just like RD B in North Indian music it was Ilaya Raja and NOT ARR who brought western music into Tamil music, here read on from wiki:

Impact and musical style

Ilaiyaraaja was one of the early Indian film composers to use Western classical music harmonies and string arrangements in Indian film music.^[22] This allowed him to craft a rich tapestry of sounds for films, and his themes^[23] and background score gained notice and appreciation amongst Indian film audiences.^[24] The range of expressive possibilities in Indian film music was broadened by Ilaiyaraaja's methodical approach to arranging, recording technique, and his drawing of ideas from a diversity of musical styles.^[22]

According to musicologist P. Greene, Ilaiyaraaja's "deep understanding of so many different styles of music allowed him to create syncretic pieces of music combining very different musical idioms in unified, coherent musical statements".^[3] Ilaiyaraaja has composed Indian film songs that amalgamated elements of genres such as pop,^[25] acoustic guitar-propelled Western folk,^[26] jazz,^[27] rock and roll, dance music (e.g., disco),^[28] psychedelia,^[29] funk,^[30] doo-wop,^[31] march,^[32] bossa nova,^[33] flamenco,^[34] pathos,^[35] Tamil folk/traditional,^[36] Afro-tribal,^[37] and Indian classical.^[38]

By virtue of this variety and his interfusion of Western, Indian folk and Carnatic elements, Ilaiyaraaja's compositions appeal to the Indian rural dweller for its rhythmic folk qualities, the Indian classical music enthusiast for the employment of Carnatic ragams,^[39] and the urbanite for its modern, Western-music sound.^[40]

Although Ilaiyaraaja uses a range of complex compositional techniques, he often sketches out the basic melodic ideas for films in a very spontaneous fashion.^[7][3] The Indian filmmaker Mani Ratnam illustrates:

"Ilayaraja (sic) would look at the [film] scene once, and immediately start giving notes to his assistants, as a bunch of musicians, hovering around him, would collect the notes [(musical parts)] for their instrument[s] and go to their places... A [film] director can be taken by surprise at the speed of events."^[41]

Originally posted by: sevak

Wonder fully put 👏🏻- fully agree with you

May also add that even the biggest MDs have failed in giving appropriate scores in period films and ARR has succeeded not once but number of times namely - 1947 Earth, Lagaan, Zubeidaa, JA - all songs may not become a legend but they are all in sync with the times & not one sounds out of place (a terrible recent example for this could be Asoka!)

Also ARR has excelled in movie background scores - something which not many (even legendary) MDs have been able to deliver...

Originally posted by: Indradhanush

hi Rock n roll I am loving your debate but must say just like RD B in North Indian music it was Ilaya Raja and NOT ARR who brought western music into Tamil music, here read on from wiki:

Impact and musical style

Ilaiyaraaja was one of the early Indian film composers to use Western classical music harmonies

.............................................................................. A [film] director can be taken by surprise at the speed of events."^[41]

Originally posted by: Indradhanush

what ever you hear right from harmonic progression to heavy violin orchestra( thiruda thiruda title theme: do you know Ismail Darbar was lead violinst here) was brought by IR saab.

ARR took it to a new height of sound arrangement, mixing extreme technology into music but at times as some claim rasa went missing.