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Posted: 17 years ago

A R Rahman is a great Sound Engineer of all the times. There are certain frequencies which sooth our brain, may be A R Rahman know which frequency level or modulation will leave soothing impact on listener's brain. Its possible and we can achieve such frequency levels through softwares.

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Audio Samples


Have you guys ever heard about audio samples. Well Rahman is the first person who used a lot of samples in his songs and the second person is Ranjit Barot. Ranjit used to work with Rahman. Ranjit programmed drums in Humma Humma. Sample is simply a piece of sound free of royalty with companies like Sony, Apple etc. This could be a drum beat a sequencer rhythm, guitar strumming or any thing.
A nd now everybody is using samples in Mumbai like Salim Sulaiman, Sandeep Sherodker, Jacky, Inderjeet Sharma, Ram Sampat & Sandeep Chowta. If you guys think that how can Sandeep Chowta make sound like A R Rahman, those are samples.

Here are some instances for Samples

1. Shabba Shabba with African voices. Those are samples not real Africans.

2. Spanish claps in Jumbalika. Samples again.

3. Chinese vocals in Latka. Its a Chinese Sample from the CD ( Spectra sonics Heart Of Asia)

4. Background beat in Latka song from Indian. Later Anu Malik and many other used the same loops in many of their songs eg: Mehbooba song from Ajnabee.

5. Killer drum beats in Rangeela songs. Drum samples from the cd (Best Service XXL 1500)and its a long list.

6. Final beats of Mukkala Muqabla sounds like Dr. Alban Africa. That is too a sample. It is not composed by Dr.Alban either. Same beats used by Sandeep Chowtha in Kambath Ishq song.

7. Main Background beats in Mangta hai kya from Rangeela.

8. Early bands like Deep Forest and some Euro techno bands used this concept a lot. Thats why title bird sound of Thillana Thillana from Muthu sounds like Deep forest songs.

There are many other samples Rahman used in many of his songs. It is not copying but just using a commercially available sample.

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Posted: 17 years ago

Steps of composing/editing/mixing:

1. Rahman records a songs over a period of 10-15 days. A singer sings one song perhaps innumerable time till Rahman gives a hands up. Once that signal has been got the singer realizes that his job is done . Now Rahman sits over his singing and edits the bad parts and couples all the best parts and after another day of hard work the singers work is ready. The singer never sang that song continuously but his best parts are selected and sampled .

2. Rahman then records music or what you call as BGM. After that he mixes it with the vocal part. Then suddenly he may realize that both of them don't gel well in frequency. And then frequency division modulation takes place. Its a huge process friends which very well packs the music and vocal part.

3. Let us take an example of Shreya Ghosal. Rahman needs Shreya Ghosal to sing in track 15 ie the Highest. But Shreya can sing only till 11. So what can Rahman do. Let her sing in track 8 -9 in which she is comfortable and then simply phase modulates the vocal to appear as if she sang in track 15.

The usage of sound editing softwares such as Neundo, Cubase ,Sonar and Logic is very helpful and reduces work in the technician point of view. Though these sounds are pleasant and filling they spoil the naturalizing of the song. But Rahman' comprehension on the editing softwares and plugins and using them in his songs and BGM is fantastic. But that in itself is his drawback. A R Rahman has one of the largest collections of samples in Asia.

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Posted: 17 years ago
thanks a lot for the informative articles 😊
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Posted: 17 years ago
nice discussion is going on here. i'll land 2 this thread when i get time😛
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Posted: 17 years ago

Originally posted by: arayq2


I can see why some would feel uncomfortable, but I think the image needs to be seen in the right perspective: using elements of thoroughly modern imagery to render a thoroughly traditional focus of bhakti. Look at not just the shades, but also the stage lights in the background -- the overall picture. The intended impression is of Lord Shiva as a really cool dude, an iconic hero -- a superstar. What's wrong with that?

I know you are not breaking any rules but we just request you to be sensitive to others feelings and perseptions and hope u do understand the sentiments behind the requests.I know u are a very enlightened soul but we are way behind you.
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Posted: 17 years ago
Still one must remember that software can't make tunes they are made by human brain and then decorated /edited according to understanding of music.
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Posted: 17 years ago

Originally posted by: arayq2

she is very popular in Tamil music and specially with Ilaya Raja. Yes she will replace Alka Yagnik completely.

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Posted: 17 years ago

Originally posted by: Indradhanush

she is very popular in Tamil music and specially with Ilaya Raja. Yes she will replace Alka Yagnik completely.


"Munbe va" may be destined to become an all-time classic. My comment about the Western progressions seems to have been realized by others already. Here is someone trying the tune, as could be expected, on a piano (will need to up the volume a bit to hear this one well). And another effort. Neither sounds particularly "Indian" -- Shreya's vocals makes that difference, and by the same token, the tune is a good example of Rahman's creative genius.
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Posted: 17 years ago
but this genius is also interspersed by not so good work. at times
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Posted: 17 years ago
Actually I have aquestion here for every one

In past in era of golden classical music, every one (the 100 piece orchestra) sat down and rehearsed tunes to the point they memorized it fully, at times even editing was not permissible, things changed when RD Burman came and he was the first creative to use software and is credited with having improved the sound engineering significantly.

But this manner of composition by A R Rehman when singer sings at a different time (may be on a different day), musicians play on a different day, and then editing is used to assemble the bits and pieces to make a song, is it OK..?
What about the feel, the competition duo threw for each other when Lata and M Rafi were recording..??

Also to what extent software should be used , is it OK to phase modulate and uplift the track..?

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