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sur_sangam

@Sur_Sangam

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Posted: 19 years ago

#81

I think all the systems have worked in the past, weither it is Public voting, Judges or combination of the two.

Hrishikesh won when it was all Judges .. Also Raonki won via Judges system. I think both are great singers and it was a good choice.

EMAET: If I am not wrong it was public voting from the beginning
The four finalists were all deserving pairs, UA and SB were very good choice as the finalists.. and it was all public voting..

Combination of Judges and Public voting: We saw in
C 2005 the results were pretty fair.. The type of recognition the No 10 contestant got was more than the winners of other competitions.Debojit, Vinit, Hema,Himan, Nihira, Ujjaini, Twinkle,became house hold names.Ujjaini got some more recognition(otherwise she would have faded) because of her continued involvement in EMAET which was a public vote system.

I think all of them has worked pretty good. You can never say one is better than the other.Now let us see what work best for contestants, Gajji/ Zee and common people

For contestants point of view: The system which brings them more recognition in the eyes of the public will be the best: Considering this, I don't think any other system can match public voting.

For Gajji and Zee point of view: Again Public voting is the best for obvious reasons

For people's point of view: People would like to get right to vote for their favorite contestants.Yes few people got carried away and spent lot of money..that should be curtailed some way.

There is never going to be a system which is going to make every one happy.Among the above three public voting/Judges+public voting will work for contestants, Janta, and Gajji all.

Edited by Sur_Sangam - 19 years ago

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*Jaya*

@*Jaya*

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Posted: 19 years ago

#82

Originally posted by: charades

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ajooni

@ajooni

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Posted: 19 years ago

#83

jaya..you have chosen a wonderful topic...and moderating it exceptionally well..it is always nice to know members outlook and point of view....it is only tue-wed..you can have a DOTW-2 on another topic too,later this week.. 😊

Edited by ankita31 - 19 years ago

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*Jaya*

@*Jaya*

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Posted: 19 years ago

#84

Originally posted by: ankita31
jaya..you have chosen a wonderful topic...and moderating it exceptionally well..it is always nice to know members outlook and point of view....it is only tue-wed..you can have a DOTW-2 on another topic too,later this week.. 😊

Thanks Ankita 😊 Thanks to Priya and Jadoo as starting this discussion thread was our collective brain-child.

If you have any interesting topics in mind, please PM the same to the Mods and once they agree, you can open one such topic too 😃

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*Jaya*

@*Jaya*

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Posted: 19 years ago

#85

VJ - the posts were getting tooo long to quote, so I will start a fresh post.

If you read my points carefully, I am always saying that the public are not the best people to decide a winner... They go by their own fancies and the reasons most of the time is not musical.

So dont ever leave the decision to public alone. No, never.

Judges are learned enough and they exactly know what to look for in a singer and will find the best. I even say that have the same set of judges throughout the contest so that the judgement is consistent. We have seen in C2005 that some judge considering something as +ve, is considered -ve by another one. Do not have a scope for that, have consistent and sam judges. They are the best to choose, and they will.

So why am I talking of also involving the public in the decision making process? You say the platform was always there.. yes the platform was there, but how effective it was? The SRGM platform has been there for 10 years now. How many singers does the common man remember out of these years? 2 made it big, If people just stretch their mind a little more may be they will recollect 6 more names! Not a very good launch platform for talent in that case, isn't it! The singers of SRGM certainly deserve better than that. Now look back 2 years - public got involved, they did not choose the best winners, but now India and the world knows most of the finalists and they outnumber all the singers of SRGM that were known in 10 years! Even Nihira Joshi - A VJ or a Jaya who were following SRGM dilligently over the ears knew her, but was she known much beyond that? Did she deserve to be known? Yes! Is she known now? Yes! Why? The current format of the show gave her that bandwidth...

That is the thing VJ. You cannot take this medium and the platform successful without the support from Junta. As for the quality of music goes, of course we need the judges to decide that... If you read my first set of posts in this thread, I started off with a 60-40 weightage in favor of the judges in the decision making process... But 50-50 was decided to keep the arithmetic simple. Judges need to have a major say in the process yes to maintain the standards of music, but you need the people's decision too to make the program successful and hence the future of the talented singers - winner or not! Like it or not, market dynamics cannot be totally decoupled from music today, and we need to find the best possible solution given this situation

Let music prevail and sustain... That is what I am aiming at 👍🏼

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*dolly*

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Posted: 19 years ago

#86

Originally posted by: jayc1234

VJ - the posts were getting tooo long to quote, so I will start a fresh post.

If you read my points carefully, I am always saying that the public are not the best people to decide a winner... They go by their own fancies and the reasons most of the time is not musical.

well in india most of them go by their heart ...even if they know that parson is not that desrving they will still vote and we have example of that in FG ...judges keep on placing a candidate in danger zone and he kept on coming back...now was that a musical choice and it has happened after that ..history has repeated itself ..that proovs the majority public choice and on what basis they vote.

So dont ever leave the decision to public alone. No, never.

well I have already answered earlier even though the desicion was not on janata alone still we didnt got the best singer 😕.

Judges are learned enough and they exactly know what to look for in a singer and will find the best. I even say that have the same set of judges throughout the contest so that the judgement is consistent. We have seen in C2005 that some judge considering something as +ve, is considered -ve by another one. Do not have a scope for that, have consistent and sam judges. They are the best to choose, and they will.

so judges are the best people

So why am I talking of also involving the public in the decision making process? You say the platform was always there.. yes the platform was there, but how effective it was? The SRGM platform has been there for 10 years now. How many singers does the common man remember out of these years? 2 made it big, If people just stretch their mind a little more may be they will recollect 6 more names! Not a very good launch platform for talent in that case, isn't it! The singers of SRGM certainly deserve better than that. Now look back 2 years - public got involved, they did not choose the best winners, but now India and the world knows most of the finalists and they outnumber all the singers of SRGM that were known in 10 years! Even Nihira Joshi - A VJ or a Jaya who were following SRGM dilligently over the ears knew her, but was she known much beyond that? Did she deserve to be known? Yes! Is she known now? Yes! Why? The current format of the show gave her that bandwidth...

My opinion is different in this..you talk about platform if having a platform means getting less desrving people or just plain performers then whats the use of reality shows? it is about listning to good music and getting them break.If having this kind of platform means making iam sorry to say undeserving people famous then are we really doing the right thing?? As far as knowing them and all that the good voice always privail.

That is the thing VJ. You cannot take this medium and the platform successful without the support from Junta. As for the quality of music goes, of course we need the judges to decide that... If you read my first set of posts in this thread, I started off with a 60-40 weightage in favor of the judges in the decision making process... But 50-50 was decided to keep the arithmetic simple. Judges need to have a major say in the process yes to maintain the standards of music, but you need the people's decision too to make the program successful and hence the future of the talented singers - winner or not! Like it or not, market dynamics cannot be totally decoupled from music today, and we need to find the best possible solution given this situation

DO you think janta wont support a good singer if that singer is good. what you are talking about is buisness aspect not music aspect 😕. and buisness aspect is for some handful of people who might not have anything to do with music . here we are talking about music and music lovers.. just donot blind them with emotions. we see in all these shows how they glorify the contestents ..or make a drama ..unnessery

Let music prevail and sustain... That is what I am aiming at 👍🏼

ofcourse lets music prevail ... and how 😕.... ??????

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rocker1

@rocker1

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Posted: 19 years ago

#87

Originally posted by: gauri_2

Bumped...why is no one thinking in the angle proposed below😕 Most of the people agree that public usually votes for qualities other than singing....then let's just give the public those choices and let them vote on them while judges decide the winners. Sab ki khushi hai iss mein....per yahan to koi dhyaan hee nahi dey raha iss per😭😭😭

Charades/chatbuster/dolly..bataao kya khayal hai iss odea key baarey mein😊

Arre sis, yeh to wohi baat hui ki judges badi badi gaadiyaan chala rahe hain, aur public ko toy car thama di. Public bewakoof nahi hai 😆😆😆

And this can also backfire. People may end up being bigger fans of the people they voted for, rather than the winner. For instance, Twinkle, the winner of Hottest Contestant crown, may overshadow the contest winner, Nihira. People will feel more affinity towards Twinkle because they voted for her - while Nihira was just a judges winner in a decision where these people had no hand to play.

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*Jaya*

@*Jaya*

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Posted: 19 years ago

#88

VJ - I think we are again talking different things here. Shaan, Sadhana Sargam, Sunidhi - not coming from a Talent Hunt show and yet being successful. Yes why not! They deserved it.. But let us not digress from the topic here. The topic is - what kind of judging makes a talent hunt more effective! so even bring in anything else... 😕

Throwing politics out of the window - yes, ideal situation.. does it happen? no! and I am not sure how just having judges in the show reduces the political motives any how 😕

As far as the FG winner - yes that was the mess of a choice from the Junta.. But dont u think it could have been avoided if we had the judges to rectify the public decision? That is what my whole point is!

Bringing the business aspect of it - we are discussing a commercial show here that has a strong business aspect involved... We need to fight the market forces and see that given the circumstances what is the best alternative...

Both Dolly and you say that public so far has not helped us finding a better singer... I would say as of now they have nit helped finding us the best winner... There were more deserving candidates who lost out due to reasons more driven by emotions probably...

Nihira Joshi - the best singer in C2005 did not win, but after the competition she is lot more known and has got better breaks from all corners... She was runners in an earlier format of the show judged purely by judges.. How much had that helped her? Just singing some bols in a one-off song 😕 Did the earlier format really help find a better singer? So if Dolly says that the public always supports the better singer, well - it has not so far, until they got involved! 😕

The new format has made her known lot more than before... And we cannot deny the public involvement there.. Had the judges an equal say in the results, may be she would have been the winner... May be some financial harm done on Nihira not being the winner, but I would still say C2005 gave her a better platform than the earlier competition...

Bottomline - public involvement is necessary for giving these aspiring singers a more viable and popular platform, and giving breaks for more deserving singers (and not just the winner, mind you!) Judges decision has to be there as the corrective force and giving us the best winner under the given market forces. We just cannot take the market forces away in today's world - and that can be sad, but nonetheless the reality!