Pitch Correction: Musical Ethics - Page 6

Originally posted by: Dawn05

It is a good technology and I can imagine how much beneficial it would be for great singers .
but some times I find it unethical when any tom,dick and harry uses it and cash it like anything .

right now one example is going through my mind . though not related to music but related some what with situation .
I remember back home , we have several quackes there one of whome was using a computer and was telling his patient that he had some software for getting their diagnosis and treatment and he had everything computerized so he didn't have to even touch a finger to examine them for the diagnosis.
can you believe he was earning far more than the Genuine Gp of same area!!!!! because of "STRATEGY".
This thing was not even fair to Public , forget about that GP.

Point is , it is not bad to use such technology to imporve quality but I feel it is a bit unfair to many deserving , Genuine artists who are there but some times can't even come on surface. Already overloaded industry is not going to look for them.
I feel that show bizz, these days is mostly for those who have STRATEGY rather than ART .
I was reading some where , how lata was introduced in industry...... I am thinking right now that never know , how many Latas are there trying to hard to approach industry. But now who is going to find them ... when Pitch corrected Besuras making money and public is crazy about them.

Does that means we don't need another Lata any more ????

Is is fair to those people????????? Who probably don't have proper access or STRATEGY??

This is the only point where I feel that picth correction for every tom,dick and harry is not ethical.

sorry, the situation with the quack you've talked about is someone breaking the law. it's illegal. it's not even a question of ethics, bad as the ethics might be. you have folks in every area who do so, and it's as wrong in medicine as in music to do so. in any case, shld we ban that technology because some folks misuse it or because others are too stupid to tell a quack from the real thing? we do realize the benefits these new technologies have brought, dont we, or shld i start on that now?😉

as for your other point, no one is indispensable, even if they are my or your favorite singers. if they were not there, someone else would have been. we often see greatness when someone becomes great, often in hindsight. if someone else had become great, we'd find that person great too. life goes on...

strategy? how did that come in? i am talking abt people having the freedom to be creative. if folks dont like what they hear, they can stop buying it. dont kill the messenger here. dont shoot the folks who can put something to good use because there is potential for misuse in this or in any other field.

Originally posted by: qwertyasdfgh

yes something like that.. pardon me but i am lost now.... 😊 knotted in thoughts!!

yaar happens. that's why one's gotta slow down on the intake when one's past the intellectual prime.😉😆

Originally posted by: Surtaal

To rationalize it further, it is very similar to using a calculator in your math exam. Is it ethical? Maybe not, when all the otehrs are using their heads.

Riyaz is important to grasp the nuances and compose good music. Now a days we have electronic drums, Digital handpads which emulate almost every known percussion instrument. But unless you know the bols can you really use them??? Not in this lifetime....

Similarly, one needs to know and appreciate the music and sing within reason and then give these performance enhancers their fair share.

You SHOULD NOT use these pitch correction techniques to recite back what you have learnt to your guru. That would be cheating yourself. That would be a mockery adn disrespect to your guru.

I see Bhaktaji's avatar holding a Sarangi. It would be nice if you could share an MP3 or an audio file of a short recital.

right, u dont use "enhancers" or "calculators" when the rules of the competition or exam forbids you to. and certainly, what's the point using it when you're training or spending time with your guru.

re. riyazz and all that, fine, some folks like discipline. by all means they shld go for it. all else equal, practice makes perfect- provided one doesn't lose one's creativity in the process. but still, how is riyaaz even remotely connected to the question of ethics?

Originally posted by: punjini

Ok let me try again. Is pitch correction ethical or not ethical?

It is not ethical when used in contests. When used in recordings meant to be sold to the public, it is ethical. It would be good to include a statement on the CD to inform that this has been done. This would be similar to soaps and cosmetics that carry the statement "no animal testing done" or edibles with "no genetically modified products used" tags.

Since there are lots of people who want to hear singers in "unadulterated" format, maybe they could go for the original renderings.

Sorry if this sounds too impractical. 😊

now we have it! will be happy to talk to the powers that be to ensure these legalese requirements of yours are fulfilled. 😆

so now, do we get pitch correction, which some of us have been pitching for in the pitch of the nite after pitching a tent on a black pitch of a field?😊

Originally posted by: qwertyasdfgh

Originally posted by: punjini

Ok let me try again. Is pitch correction ethical or not ethical?

It is not ethical when used in contests. When used in recordings meant to be sold to the public, it is ethical. It would be good to include a statement on the CD to inform that this has been done. This would be similar to soaps and cosmetics that carry the statement "no animal testing done" or edibles with "no genetically modified products used" tags.

Since there are lots of people who want to hear singers in "unadulterated" format, maybe they could go for the original renderings.

Sorry if this sounds too impractical. 😊

Originally posted by: punjini

The pitch corrected CDs would be priced higher while the "virgin" CDs would be cheaper (no correction equipment needed). Hence people would go for the virgin CDs which are cheaper. This would lead to the cessation of manufacture of pitch correction equipment. People with genuinely good voices who do riyaaz day and night would rule again since the singers unable to function without pitch-correction would be booted out. All is well that ends well. 😊 😆

pricing? now i didn't start the mkting/ strategy/ financing talk here😊

well, sorry to rain in on the hopes here but if pitch correction can "automate" certain tasks and result in more "supply" of good-sounding music, then it might actually be priced lower. same as a shoe that is manufactured in an assembly line versus one that is cobbled together by hand which is often more expensive and not necessarily any better [yaar, now dont accuse me of comparing shoes with music even though that might be the first knee-jerk reaction. am just comparing "processes"!!! 😉]. in any case, shldn't we leave pricing for the mkt to determine? 😆😆😆