The Other side of SRGMP: Game behind the - Page 3

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Posted: 19 years ago
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soulsoup, wld disagree on the spending patterns of the teens. not sure if u're from delhi or mumbai, but wat i've seen are teen kids lining up discos and bars, standing for 1/2 hr at times waiting to pay Rs 500 cover for admission. once inside, they're spending Rs 500 per drink. for some of these folks, believe it or not, it's a daily affair (for years!!!). if they can drop a grand or so every other day, smses are not a problem at all. also in terms of per capita sms users, i'd think its delhi and mumbai that again lead since they're relatively well-off. so those folks had the ability to spend on smses. just my pov
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: chatbuster

soulsoup, wld disagree on the spending patterns of the teens. not sure if u're from delhi or mumbai, but wat i've seen are teen kids lining up discos and bars, standing for 1/2 hr at times waiting to pay Rs 500 cover for admission. once inside, they're spending Rs 500 per drink. for some of these folks, believe it or not, it's a daily affair (for years!!!). if they can drop a grand or so every other day, smses are not a problem at all. also in terms of per capita sms users, i'd think its delhi and mumbai that again lead since they're relatively well-off. so those folks had the ability to spend on smses. just my pov



Maybe you are right! Long time since I left India - don't know about the teens there nowadays
Actually - I had a shock when I went home this January - everyone got a mobile phone.
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Posted: 19 years ago
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soulsoup, mindblowing post. I really enjoyed reading your honest writing. 👏 👏 👏
It looks like you have really put your efforts in gathering all this information. 👏
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: soulsoup


This post is nothing to do with Music. But if you really think – in SRGMP C2005 – there were many things which had nothing to do with music. This post is about conscious and unconscious marketing went behind the contestants, what worked, what didn't and implications of talent hunt on the 'mob' psychology. I don't know anyone related to Zee or contestants – all I got here are theories. I'll try to write this without any bias or prejudice.

For the readers – if you think this is not something of your choice – please move on – there plenty of great posts around, but please don't dilute the topic.

For the Moderators – I am perfectly aware of the fact that this post is nothing to do with Music – if you think digging the past is unhealthy for the forum – please close the topic – no hard feelings – I have complete faith on you people.

Where to start from? Let's start from Himesh-ji and Vinit (that's the only way for me to get some reader for this boring post). Now honestly – I am a big fan of Himesh ji in another perspective – as a great Marketing person (There is NO sarcasm here). The person who decides to produce TV serial to get into the music industry at the age of 18 – you must realize there is a great strategic and innovative thought process behind his every move. Look where is he right now. Ok – like many of you – I don't like his music and singing either – but we can't deny the way he moved forward within a very short span of time.

Enough of prelude – let's get into SRGMP. What HR ji did right to promote Vinit?

    Identify the right product. To be honest – unfortunately, he didn't have much choice, I must say he had the weakest team overall. HR ji identified Vinit as the best singer from his gharana – that's a first step to success. Find 'sticky' stories. To much talk about this already, but this time I am saying this with great appreciation of HR s marketing strategy. Vinit's love affair, His Sanskar, His Maa – ka – Payar – all are well articulated and well marketed sticky stories.
    1. NB: To start with Vinit had to 'inbuilt' sticky stories with him. One his middleclass background and his age – both are great for associating the audience (target market / voter) with him.
    Brand Signature: Vinit's Topi. No joke here- I am serious. Every person, even from the enemy-camp associate Vinit with his Topi. That's a brand signature of Vinit.
  1. Consistent Messaging: Can you identify these terms – 'consistence performance', '8-9-10', well… I can go on – but I think you got the point. HR never changed the terminologies – classic marketing 101!

So what went wrong with Vinit/HR – why they lost in the final? Now Vinit supporters -you can always brag about the fact of "Assam's Votes" – but there is a particular reason of the immense support from the home-ground of Debu. Also he got enough vote from other parts of India too (not as much as Vinit) apart from East zone. Why that happened?

I can identify couple of reasons here.

    When Zee started showing the regional voting pattern – Debu reached the 'Tipping Point'
  1. HR, despite of his great knowledge of marketing, violated a golden rule of Marketing 101 – NEVR TALK BAD ABOUT THE COMPETETOR. By bragging about the 'Assam's Votes' – he actually helped Debu a lot. Adesh ji was his partner in crime in this. More he (as well as Vinit) bragged about this issue – 2 things went wrong – 1st NE people got more angry (naturally it hurt their ego) and voted more for Debu, 2nd people from other parts of India who thought it's unfair got pissed off too and voted for Debu.


Now for Debojit. I must say – for him it's a classic example of Marketing 2.0, where evangelists take the control instead of marketing strategies. His mentor, Ismail ji, is not a great strategist. But luck favored him a lot.

    Two of the main points I mentioned before : gifts from HR to Debu! He got 'filtered down' votes from Nihira and Hemu fans. That's my theory – got this impression from the this forum posts His modest attitude grabbed lots of votes. Many people actually liked him as a person more than as a singer. He also had some 'installed sticky stories' to start with
      His middleclass background
    1. His wife Bandana/ Their struggle at Mumbai
    Now here comes the most interesting part – but this requires a little theoretical prelude. In his book 'The Tipping Point" Malcom Gladwell identified some required factors to reach the tipping point for an Idea / Person / Fashion statement / trend. Most important 2 things are –
    1. Sticky 'Compelling' Stories
    2. 3 types of people supporting the Person / Idea

<!--[if !supportLists]--> i. <!--[endif]-->Maven – who collect all the useful information / positive points about the person or idea

<!--[if !supportLists]--> ii. <!--[endif]-->Connectors – who have a tightly knit social network to spread the idea

<!--[if !supportLists]--> iii. <!--[endif]-->Sales person – no explanation required.


Now – if you look at Debu – he got all 3 in form of evangelists. Forget others – in this forum only many people volunteered for Debu as Maven/Connector/Salesperson. Why they did it? Not for any vested interest. Many were mesmerized by Debu's attitude, others were tired of Himesh ji's 'Overselling'. Whatever it is it worked.

Now the last part – why Debu and Vinit reached the final? First – they were most controversial of all (Vinit for HR, Debu for Asaam). That's another great mind boggling part of what reaches the tipping point. CoThis is getting too long – let me cut short by just pointing out a diagram by Kathy Sierra.

Morale of the whole story – If you need to find GREAT talent – use judges in the old format. (Don't get me wrong – I am not saying Debu or Vinit doesn't deserve to be in the final. At the same time I will refuse to accept if you want me to believe that they are better than Nihira – that's my opinion)

But if Zee / Gajendra ji needs to make money out of the show – voting is the only way to go. It's very easy for us to say – 'They should go back to the old format". But honestly – what you will do if you were in his shoes?

Very objective, very well analyzed and more importantly very well articulated. An enriching and educational post. Thanks👏

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Posted: 19 years ago
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I will analyze this in detail but looks very damn good. You are cool man. Lookin for a job in marketing - we should talk............ 😉
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: Bhaskar.T

No even Sharib's story would have kept up. His problem was that his mentors did not go for proper marketting. Maybe more because they wanted to leave the show. But whatever Sharib was not properly marketted and hence lost.........

(Ref: soulsoups marketing theory)


Totally agree Bhaskar – Jatin Lalit did the biggest massacres at SRGM – 'Haat kat dunga..', 'Ghar Bech Dunga..", 'Kothawali..'🤢, 'Tum mujhe rakhi bhejna..' to name a few. 😆😆😆

On anther point Bhaskar – 'Ref: soulsoups marketing theory' – mujhe aap geek 🤓 bana do ge keya? Accha baccha ban ne ka koushish kar raha hu idhar. Nehito pherse sarcastic remarks chaalu kar dunga. 😉




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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: Surpremi

I will analyze this in detail but looks very damn good. You are cool man. Lookin for a job in marketing - we should talk............ 😉



Ok Surpremi - job ki baat PM me karenge 😉😉😉
Par - idhar aapka comment chahiye detail me - you inspired me to write this post! 😃
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Posted: 19 years ago
#28
in regards to

"also how the product fit the market they were trying to reach. did they consciously realize which specific markets were captive and which new markets they should go for."

i think some of it was obvious at least to ID/ Debo. but did u see anyone trying to go beyond their traditional customer base to secure new mkts. if so, what did they do?

the topi stuff worked for HR because of the teens. did he realize they were such a huge segment? maybe mkt segment size analysis...

again, excellent paper!!!
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Abhi yaar soney jaa raha hoon but I will give you a detailed comment tomorrow - you said you would do it and you did it. In my books, your stock went up !! Good job - we need more such analysis - what we engineers call fault tree analysis..... 😉
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: coolsam

soulsoup, mindblowing post. I really enjoyed reading your honest writing. 👏 👏 👏
It looks like you have really put your efforts in gathering all this information. 👏



Thanks coolsam 😳- yes I am at the verge of loosing my job over SRGMP and India-Forum 😆😉

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