SRGMP-The End of the Innocence - Page 3

would be happy to hear ANALYTICAL rebuttal to my points, rather than bland "i agree", "i disagree", or "the best was voted out" etc.

From what I hear and read, I believe that majority people agree that NIHIRA was probably the most genuine singer on the show. Then my only queston is: why did she not win?? In the beginning of this challenge, if you remember, all mentors were scared of ID's team b/c he had NIhira. They all thought that she was the clear winner. I'm not saying Debo is not a good singer, but Nihira was too awesome. I feel so bad that such a sweet and innocent girl got left behind. She really deserved to win.

Originally posted by: chatbuster

To my mind, public voting is bad, but it is still better than the alternatives where a few individuals with strong beliefs and preferences and ego can sway the results.

I agree with most of your post except this line. I dont think public voting or ONLY public voting is a good alternative to having some voting by the judges. One way could be that the public can decide which three are in danger, and then they look back at the marks they got in the mentometer and then the one with the lowest marks is sent out. In case of a tie, they should be made to sing the same song. If 2 ppl of the same gender are in danger, then they should sing the exactly same song while if its a guy and a gal, they should sing the same song like a duet and preferably with out music.

Another good option is to have an outside judge to give them marks also instead of just the opponent mentors.

Also a 10 should be given ONLY if the guy is perfect and not like the wya mentors threw away 10s during the show. Not that the singers didn't deserve it, but sometimes it felt a bit too much. Also if they must explain y they gave that mark so it helps. Like till today I don't know why Hema got a 7 by Ismail Durbar when he forgot the lyrics for Bachna Ei Haseeno when the others gave him a 3. It would have been nice if he explained that time.. its educational for all of us keen listeners.

Another thing which SRGMP should make clear is about what audience are they targetting, performances or play back ? coz they are totally different genres.. Twinkle is classic as a performer and if it was that competition she should have won and if it was play back Nihira or Himani are better bets..

My humble opinion...

Originally posted by: fanfare

From what I hear and read, I believe that majority people agree that NIHIRA was probably the most genuine singer on the show. Then my only queston is: why did she not win?? In the beginning of this challenge, if you remember, all mentors were scared of ID's team b/c he had NIhira. They all thought that she was the clear winner. I'm not saying Debo is not a good singer, but Nihira was too awesome. I feel so bad that such a sweet and innocent girl got left behind. She really deserved to win.

is THIS ur response to what i wrote or to something else?

Originally posted by: madhavir108

I agree with most of your post except this line. I dont think public voting or ONLY public voting is a good alternative to having some voting by the judges. One way could be that the public can decide which three are in danger, and then they look back at the marks they got in the mentometer and then the one with the lowest marks is sent out. In case of a tie, they should be made to sing the same song. If 2 ppl of the same gender are in danger, then they should sing the exactly same song while if its a guy and a gal, they should sing the same song like a duet and preferably with out music.

Another good option is to have an outside judge to give them marks also instead of just the opponent mentors.

Also a 10 should be given ONLY if the guy is perfect and not like the wya mentors threw away 10s during the show. Not that the singers didn't deserve it, but sometimes it felt a bit too much. Also if they must explain y they gave that mark so it helps. Like till today I don't know why Hema got a 7 by Ismail Durbar when he forgot the lyrics for Bachna Ei Haseeno when the others gave him a 3. It would have been nice if he explained that time.. its educational for all of us keen listeners.

Another thing which SRGMP should make clear is about what audience are they targetting, performances or play back ? coz they are totally different genres.. Twinkle is classic as a performer and if it was that competition she should have won and if it was play back Nihira or Himani are better bets..

My humble opinion...

sorry, but u r just stating opinions here. not really a rebuttal.

Also adding to the comment about Abhijeet and Hema, I think another reason why Jagjit Singh gave Hema the green was because of the voice. Abhijit has a super voice and I loved his songs in the initial rounds of SRGMP and I thought it was really sad he didn't come till top 12. But there is something heard about his voice, I cant point my fingers on which. When he sang that song on that episode, Oh Re Sakhi, it was brilliant but there was something missing. In Hema's pehla pehla pyaar hain, there was freshness, innocence of young age and I think that was a very dominant factor in the result that evening

No time to read all the comments but agree with Sangeeta and
madhavir108.

Miss the old SRGM but we have to admit that these kids got a lot of
exposure. Hope it helps their careers.

Originally posted by: madhavir108

Also adding to the comment about Abhijeet and Hema, I think another reason why Jagjit Singh gave Hema the green was because of the voice. Abhijit has a super voice and I loved his songs in the initial rounds of SRGMP and I thought it was really sad he didn't come till top 12. But there is something heard about his voice, I cant point my fingers on which. When he sang that song on that episode, Oh Re Sakhi, it was brilliant but there was something missing. In Hema's pehla pehla pyaar hain, there was freshness, innocence of young age and I think that was a very dominant factor in the result that evening

ur opinion. all i remember jaggu doing was praising abhi to the moon. but this is one area where wat i have is also only my opinion. however there r other examples of how judges used visual factors that i've pointed which shld perhaps be more obvious to everyone

Originally posted by: chatbuster

sorry, but u r just stating opinions here. not really a rebuttal.

I didnt see your request for the rebuttal !

In that case, public voting isn't the right measure of a good singer or a good performer. So many reality shows and results are so strange sometimes that it is hard to imagine. FG Qazi and Ruprekha is classic example, Qazi is a great performer and I am sure the way he improved from his first performance to his last, he has great potential. Ruprekha was a good singer but I must say not the best among the females. Why did people vote for them ? Can we say ?

I definitely cant because I never voted (I couldn't). Analysing it was either Qazi's looks or something about his performance which charmed the audience. Or it was hte fact that judges were always against him. Its hard to say... if the judges had it their way, sum1 else would have won for sure. Was FG about singing factor or the x factor ? I still dunno !

Coming to SRGMP, its a show about singing and the one who sings the best deserves to win. Debo is an awesome singer and if you read my posts in other topics I keep stressing that the top 5 were exceptional, and when I heard them sing Kal Ho Na Ho together, it hurt that one of these 5 had to leave. I had always wished that one of these 5 win.. and then again I thought top 12 were very deserving, each one had a unique style. Each are great singers in their own right and sometimes its hard to compare without offending any one.

But from day 1 singers like Nihira and Hema showed that they had a very very strong classical base and could carry off a lot of songs with flourish. Its not easy to sing any song and pull it off perfectly. It is not easy to learn at every step and improve and they did it. Did they deserve to lose? No, most definitely not.

Did Debojeet deserve to win? Yes! He was good and if the audience thinks he is good, well he deserves to win.

At the end of this, my point is, what are they targeting at ? popular singers, good singers, lifetime singers or pop icons ? I think that has to be made clear before pushing this as an audience poll.

Indians, we hae a huge heart and are very emotional. Look at IF, each of us spend hours on this arguing about who is the best and who isn't. Its easy to give a sob story and emotionally target them. I don't know if that is right or wrong, but its definitely not fair.

If you are looking for a voice who is going to sing, let the biggies of the industry decide that. Thats why I said it should be a mix of votes because audience must be impressed also but if they get impressed by some guy who can not sing at all (forutnately hasn't happened yet, but wont be far) but just because he was poor, whats the point ?!

Hope I put my point across.

Originally posted by: chatbuster

ur opinion. all i remember jaggu doing was praising abhi to the moon. but this is one area where wat i have is also only my opinion. however there r other examples of how judges used visual factors that i've pointed which shld perhaps be more obvious to everyone

Oh ya, I totally agree with the visual factors!

I never paid the slightest attn. to Hemachandra when he had his moustache and all, I started noticing him after he shaved and got his 'hot and handsome' symbol !! And I have learnt music !!!

So I can totally imagine what the target was. Again my point of what is the purpose of SRGMP C05 ?! That has to be clearly defined.