what makes for a good singer - Page 8

Originally posted by: qwertyasdfgh

Hi,

I am not trying to convince you who is better and who is not. I fully respect your point of view.

When I said Lata 's voice not sweeter now a days, it is bcos of her age. Listen to any of her songs in last 5 years and you will notice that it is way different than when she was at her peak.

Listen to songs of Mujhse dosti Karoge (well, I do not like any of those songs) ,.. but Udit sounds much fresh than Lata. Even her song in Page 3 is an example of age catching on her. Please not that I am a huge fan of Lata. It is just my observation that now a days Alka and Kavita can do more justice than her to any given song just bcos thier voice is much fresh. (Please note that it is just my view)

When you talked about few songs of Ram pur ka laxamn and yadon ki barat, i know Rafi was there. Rafi sang for Shatru sinha. But note that in both movies, music was given by RD (hardcore Kishre fan)

Now you said earlier Roop tera mastana was meant for kishore and O dunia ke rakhwale was meant for Rafi. I fully agree. But my point is if Rafi would have sung roop tera mastana, he would have done atleast 70 % of justice to that song compared to 100 % justice by kishore da. However if kishore would have sung some of Rafi's songs like O duniya ke rakhwale or kar chale hum fida jan o tan or mahoabat zinda rahti hai .. etc, i am not sure whether he would have even done 20% of justice.

point is Rafi's songs where he had mastery were much harder (difficult) to kishore da's fast paced songs. non singer (bathroom) like me have tried singing songs of both of them and while singing many reafi's songs , my breadth was catching up on me.

Again, at high pitch many singers including kishor da were loud where as Rafi's voice was never loud.

Again I am not taking any credit away from kishore. He was gr8 in his own terms.

you also talked about comparing Rafi with asha. I think it is more of personal choice. But when i here Diwana hua badal or Rimghim ke tarane leke aayi barsaat, I find rafi's voice more soothing than asha though she tried some variation in her voice.

Again.please do not take it personally. To me Rafi and Lata are best singers we have got so far in male and female category in bollywood.

Originally posted by: qwertyasdfgh

Thts taking it too far. Lata was too good. Look at the songs
aawaz de ke humen tum bulao
Aaja tujhko pukare mere geet
tumhari nazar kyon khafa ho gayi...

Infact it was upto the MD to decide who the song is focussed on... In every OPN song Asha outplayed Rafi.. in a duet.

Rafi's songs in bin maa ke bacche, laila majnu, were pathetic.. somebody said he was 54 then.. Lata sang Dil to pagal hai - she was around 70..

Now this discussion is getting too much of personal preferences and just to prove my point for KK and Lata I dont want to recount bad songs of rafi... since I like all 3 of them...each of them had their moments..I found them equally good...unless I am comparing apples to oranges...Rafi couldnt do "Roop tera mastana" and kk couldnt do a "o duniya ke rakhwale...!!!!

I am comparing Lata and Rafi only where they have both sung the same songs, so it's not really comparing apples and oranges. When Rafi sings "ehsaan tera hoga mujh par", the way he says "muhabbat" is so full of passion. Lata says "muhabbat" in a straighforward way. We are not talking about technical prowess here. Both were technically at par, equally gifted. In almost every song sung by both Rafi and Lata, it seems to me as if Lata is singing exactly as the MD asked her to, while Rafi is singing for his love, going through the emotions.

Of course, these are my personal/individual preferences. I am not representing some community! But I know there are many who have the same views. So let's agree to disagree.

Originally posted by: I know

few songs where KK outplayed rafi

In Yadon ki baarat listen When Rafi come with 'Badlena apna yeh aalam kabhi'melody comes back to the otherwise flat rendering by KK. Got to remember Rafi won the National award for the same film for 'Kya hua tera wada'

Offcourse Rafi could have sung'Roop tera mastana' and bettered it.Listen to 'Aaja re Aa zara' from Love in Tokyo.The seen has both the hero and heroin drenched in rain but the hero seeing the heroin in drenched cloths is all excited and hot.Through his voice Rafi depicts both the feelings of drenched cold and eagerness of attracted male.There is fine shakiness in the voice due to cold and breathlesness due to attraction of the sexy heroin

Yes, I agree abt yadoon ki barat song. The only diference could be that kishore got more lines to sing than rafi .. thanks to RD.

Originally posted by: I know

In Yadon ki baarat listen When Rafi comes with 'Badlena apna yeh aalam kabhi'melody comes back to the otherwise flat rendering by KK. Got to remember Rafi won the National award for the same film for 'Kya hua tera wada'

It's not the same film. "Kya hua tera vada" is from Hum kisi se kum nahin.

Originally posted by: qwertyasdfgh

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