SRGMPA-classically trained ones made it - Page 3

Originally posted by: ruby_bindas24

CLASSICAL MUSIC:THE FORMAL TRAINING

We all r aware of the fact that for every job we require some initial training,otherwise we cannot get the maximum output,efficiency & effectiveness.

Practice makes a man perfect,that's a common saying,but now everyone wants to get a short-cut method.Short-cut may take us to our destination sometimes but we cannot sit in the velvet couch for too long.

Listening to music & singing r two different things.All persons who have the knowledge of music cannot sing,all singers cannot make music.Sometimes,some persons even having the knowledge and sur gyan cannot potray it by singing.What we think cannot be produced to the same extent.Some persons can play instruments very well but they r unable to sing it perfectly in the same manner & vice-versa also happens.

God has given everyone some talent or the other but the degree varies.Some r more talented & some r less,but with hardwork we can improve.Music is all about the SAATH SUR .

Every instrument is set-up and brought 2 perfect sur before playing it.Likewise each sur.i.e.Sa,Re,Ga,Ma,Pa,Dha,Ni,Sa, have 2 be properly practiced before singing a song.If we r perfect in that we can sing or play almost any kind of song.

As Bhaktaji has told earlier that Ragas r made of these.They have a variety of combinations and if we learn even 50 of them,and r able to do atleast their Sargams,we can try and sing almost any song.

Our gr8 gurus have made the ragas and also talas suiting them.Tala is another important aspect and proper training of it can be achieved only by knowing at least something about Tabla.

A singer should know how each type of instrument works and should be able to relate to it properly.

Classical training imparts us a foundation for music.If fundamentals r strong,we can use our skill,knowledge and imagination to maximum level.

I'll site u examples.

Just see Sanchali,she didn't have the proper training,so she was out eventually.She was besura at times,the same thing happened with Rajeev,he had gr8 potential,but he was not good in low notes,his voice shaked and he seemed uncomfortable while singing.Same with Vinit too,he didn't have enough riyaz,so he didn't have straigt low notes.Again,he is unaware of some simple techniques.We don't have 2 always shout with all our breath when we go for higher notes,sometimes,we have 2 do soft mirkis and we can just move like sliding slowly towards the higher note,Hariharan does it often.

just see Nihira & Hemu,they r comfortable in all types of notes,may be they r shuddha low notes,very high ones,tivra ones,or komal ones,even they r comfortable singing komal & shudha,high & low alternatively.As per Himani,she's improved a lot.She is trained but she has not regular practice but after coming to Challenge she did work hard.

Breathing in between and how 2 control breathing and where 2 take small breaths and where 2 take large ones is another imp thing.When we have atleast 2hrs of riyaz everyday,we can make it the best.

Remember,Qazi had 2 take breathing exercises to improve his singing,still he's not better than anyone in u compare.

Concentration is also very necessary,music is like meditation,the feelings come if u totally concentrate.Nihira was praying no,that somewhat increases the concentration.

U can sing a song but if u r classically trained,u'll not take much time 2 learn a new song,u would grasp it automatically,otherwise it takes a lot of time learning that particular song only.In school,i used 2 playback for almost all songs in the functions,there,i used to take just 15 min to learn a song and then i sang it.Even,i was able to teach others.😊

I don't say that classical training is a must for singing,but it is helpful for making a stable career as a singer.

Nice post. Just wanted to say that I thought that Sanchali was well trained in classical singing. They showed that in one of the episodes against Vineeta. Also, I have read that one of Vineet's strengths is his classical training. That is why unlike Debo and sometimes even Hema he seldom goes wrong on the sur. Among the boys it is Vineet and Hema who stand strong technically.

I agree with the rest.

Go Vineet😛

ruby-"Same with Vinit too,he didn't have enough riyaz,so he didn't have straigt low notes.Again,he is unaware of some simple techniques.We don't have 2 always shout with all our breath when we go for higher notes"

thank u for that input..people(my husband for one 😉 ) r impressed whenever vineet takes the higher notes..i used to always feel that he was shouting.. albeit in sur..now i am armed with this info to confront my hubby 😉 😆 😆

I also hope so Sir,and i believe that they'll definitely excel,the two r my personal fav also.

Good luck 2 them.

Originally posted by: kishore_bhakta

Great posting, Ruby!

Even if classical trained ones like Sharib or Nihira didn't make it in the competition, they will definitely make it outside of it. I certainly hope Sharib and Nihira really become one of our future voices of India.

Thank u very much but still Vinit is much talented,he'll improve it when he comes to the actual playback arena.

Originally posted by: sarah.oamng

ruby-"Same with Vinit too,he didn't have enough riyaz,so he didn't have straigt low notes.Again,he is unaware of some simple techniques.We don't have 2 always shout with all our breath when we go for higher notes"

thank u for that input..people(my husband for one 😉 ) r impressed whenever vineet takes the higher notes..i used to always feel that he was shouting.. albeit in sur..now i am armed with this info to confront my hubby 😉 😆 😆

I think Sanchali's choice of songs were not good,all the songs were not nice and then she showed weakness in some particular types.She didn't somehow have that simplicity and calmness in any of her songs which Indian audience often look upto.😉

Originally posted by: adwarakanath

Fantastic post, rubyji! Agree completely. But i think Sanchali was trained well...just her bad luck.

This deserves GTFP. REad it, vinit fans

Hey,i don't agree to that,he is classically trained in an other way,he's trained frm Rafi.HR has provided him training in sargams at first when he came 2 his gharana.

Originally posted by: adwarakanath

Vineet isn't classically trained, actually. He's just vocally trained. There's a difference. Debo is actually classically trained and is still training.

Raktima was a bit nasal too and she somehow got stretched sometimes while going to higher notes,again at first she was good but later on she sang some songs in which feelings didnot come.A song is meaningless without feelings.

Originally posted by: MrspetloverUS

My feelings exactly about Sanchali. Initially she was little nasal but I thought she had great range and very well classically trained girl. She changed the way she looked and performed. That girl could dance and she proved it. But too bad. Same thing with Raktima. I think she had great voice and she had come a long way but got out too soon in the contest.

good joke adwarkanath,he's not so bad,don't insult the poor kid.😆😆

Originally posted by: adwarakanath

Yeah, Vineet is nasally trained 😆 😆 😆

Mohd Wakil,u r telling about him who won the mega-finals no,when Sonu was host in SAREGAMA and where Sanjeevani was there and Sudeshna?he's gr8 superb.i luv his singing.He sung pure classical type songs.😊

Originally posted by: Tansensez

Shastriya Sangeet se hi suron ki pehchaan hoti hai. Is me taleemloge to koi bhi gaana aasaan padega. Koi bhi harkat laga sakte ho jaise "chhoott ki taan" hoti hai. Hamare Ghulam Ali saheb ke harkatein ko suniye. Mand saptak se taar saptak itni assaani se jaate hain.
Ek gaayak tha "mohd. Vakil" kya tayyari thi awaaz mein. Bahut mazaa aaya unko sunkar. Phir humare connecticut ke Sanjeev Ramabhadran. Bahut sureele gaate hain.

I have heard Sanjeev ramabhadran too live. He is very very good. Tansenji seems to know his stuff... from reading all his posts.