The Legacy of the South: Carnatic Music

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Friends, we have travelled through North India and explored the magic of North Indian music touching the three pillars: melody through ragas, rhythm through talas, and drone through tanpura tuning.

We now enter a new dimension of music, the music of South India, known as Carnatic music. Carnatic music was founded by Purandara Dasa in the fifteenth century. Through time, many musicians and devotees studied this type of music with improvements in teaching and performing. In the eighteenth century, Venkata Mukhi Swami developed a system of classifying ragas called the melakarta system. In addition, the biggest component of the Carnatic sangit paddhati were Thiyagaraja, Samasastri, and Muthuswami Diksitar. They theorized the music as to what we see in its present form. The "trinity" as well as disciples before and after have written many compositions in ragams and thalams. Carnatic music today is becoming one amazing and complex field.

The first aspect to study is are the notes. Like in North India, there are seven main swars.

Sadjamam (Sa), Risabham (Ri), Gandharam (Ga), Madhyamam (Ma), Panchamam (Pa), Dhaivatam (Dha), Nishadam (Ni). Read "Sa Re Ga Ma Pa Dha Ni: The 7 Notes" thread for derivation of the names.

Like North Indian music, they have altered forms as vikrta swars. Their approach is a bit different. Even nomenclature of the swars are different.

Before we hit the difference, let us examine some postulates.

1) Sa and Pa are achal swars (not moveable)

2) Except for Sa, Pa, and ma, all swars have a flattened form.

3) Ma has a sharpened form.

This is all the similarities we shared in Hindustani classical. The sargam SO FAR will look like this using Hindustani notation.

S r R g G m M P d D n N S'

In Carnatic, Re and Dha can have a super sharpened form. Thus, Re and Dha have three forms. In this order, we can have (using Hindustani terms for now):

Sa

Komal Re

Shuddha Re

"Tivra" Re

Of course, there is no such thing as Tivra Re. But analytically, the sharper form of shuddha re is really komal ga. Look back at the sargam above.

Same goes with Dha. "komal dha, shuddha dha, 'tivra' dha" "Tivra dha" = komal ni.

Ga and Ni are allow three forms too. The shuddha ga, komal ga, and ati-komal ga.

Starting from ma, lets look backwards. Using Hindustani terminology...

shuddha ma

shuddha ga

komal ga

"ati-komal" ga

There is no such thing as a "note" "ati-komal ga". But analytically, the ati-komal note would be "shuddha re." Refer to sargam if there are any questions. This is true for Ni too. From high Sa, in the backward direction there is Shuddha Ni, komal ni, and "ati-komal" ni. Ati-komal ni is really shuddha dha.

RECAP: S and P are achal. The note m has two forms. R, G, D, and N have three forms. R and D have super-sharp forms and G and N have super flat forms.

Since four of the notes have three forms, we have to use a different way of naming these notes. Besides uppercase and lowercase, there is not a third way to record these notes.

Hence, we use numbers. In parenthesis is the HINDUSTANI name.

S

R1 = (komal re)

R2 = G1 = (shuddha re) ('ati-komal' ga)

R3 = G2 = ('tivra re') (komal ga)

G3 = (suddha ga)

M1 = (suddha ma)

M2 = (tivra ma)

P

D1 = (komal dha)

D2 = N1 = (suddha dha) (ati komal ni)

D3 = N2 = (tivra dha) (komal ni)

N3 = suddha ni.

S'

Hence our sargam is complete with SIXTEEN notes. I will stop here, as I am going to include very complex material in the next posting I do. 😊

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Posted: 19 years ago
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hmm great post. have started to understand a little about the deeper things in music.....good work and thanks so much for the posts
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Thanks Kishore_Bhaktaji for the informative post .... so very welcome here.

😳 😳 😳
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Posted: 19 years ago
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kishore bhakta 😛 😛.... seems like ages...

I missed the other posts u mentioned. If its not a problem please post the links to them as I am definitely interested in reading them.

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: MrspetloverUS

Nothing to do with Carnatic music.

Since I read about Sama Veda AD's postI felt like sharing something. My father's Masaji (Uncle) was awarded with 22KT golden shawl by predident of India in Rajkot for singing complete SamaVeda. There was a big parade which took place in his honor. I Don't remember what year this was probably before I was born but it is a family honor and I felt like sharing it.

His name was "Revashankar Shashtri" Trivedi to be lastname.

That must be an honor to have known him as your masaji. Your family is blessed with arts, knowledge, and culture! Jai Ho! 😊

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Please check this posting I had written earlier. I had critiqued the twelve Agni Pariksha candidates based on their performances past and present within Challenge 2005 alone.

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/sa-re-ga-ma-pa-singing-superstar/184058/analysis-of-the-12-agni-pariksha-singers

Edited by kishore_bhakta - 19 years ago
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Thanks KB jii for all quality posts u make and draw attention to our rich heritage......I'm looking fwd to further posts of ur's....

Many best wishes on ur aspirations to be a successful composer....I wish along with quality u also have success coz only that can take u to wide range of audiences.

My mother is a wonderful writer,composer,most wanted veena artiste and also most wanted vocalist.I'm glad I'm born in a family like this.But politics in the field have not made her get her due though everyone in creative world needs her services, she is not credited often in a large scale.I know the pain when quality goes unnoticed.She has done music composing to a lot of Kuchipudi dance ballets,Musical features on patriotism and themes like birth of ganges etc which were all critically acclaimed and had great reviews in papers.She has also won several state level awards for her short stories and songs.I always thought how restricted has her exposure to audience been...but...GOD must have done right.....

Sorry for all the personal outburst but i sincerely wish people like u flourish sir...
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Her name is B.V.S.S.Lakshmi, but she is better known as Subbalakshmi or Veena Subbalakshmi garu.....
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Excellent post, you are doing a great service for 'kaansens' like us who don't know much about formal music. God bless you - Take care
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: luvmusic

Thanks KB jii for all quality posts u make and draw attention to our rich heritage......I'm looking fwd to further posts of ur's....

Many best wishes on ur aspirations to be a successful composer....I wish along with quality u also have success coz only that can take u to wide range of audiences.

My mother is a wonderful writer,composer,most wanted veena artiste and also most wanted vocalist.I'm glad I'm born in a family like this.But politics in the field have not made her get her due though everyone in creative world needs her services, she is not credited often in a large scale.I know the pain when quality goes unnoticed.She has done music composing to a lot of Kuchipudi dance ballets,Musical features on patriotism and themes like birth of ganges etc which were all critically acclaimed and had great reviews in papers.She has also won several state level awards for her short stories and songs.I always thought how restricted has her exposure to audience been...but...GOD must have done right.....

Sorry for all the personal outburst but i sincerely wish people like u flourish sir...

Thank you very much for your best wishes, luvmusic. It must be a very painful experience when quality talent is unnoticed and not many take up attention to it. Quality talent, in today's world of music, is there, but one has to find it. As it was said in many postings, using technlogy, a besur singer can sound very much on-key. It is unfortunate that this is how we support talent today. Next thing you'll know, computers will sing, not humans! Nonetheless, I think it is a great fortune that you were in a musical family.

I am guessing she studied and performed Carnatic music, right? The concept of how you described her talent and contributions sound like she is a Carnatic musician.

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