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Posted: 19 years ago
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Bhaktaji,wow!A great post.U mean dogs whitsle in ultasound ranges?gr8.Bhaktaji,can you plz tell something in specificabout srutis and how they r used in ragas?I could not relate the srutis with ragas.

Thank u Sir,u've made everyone more aware about the theories of music,u're surely going 2 become a gr8 music director,and i'll be the first one to buy ur songs.👏

Originally posted by: kishore_bhakta

Hello Friends! I thought I include some educational material on the instruments of North India.

From the creation of the universe, the most interesting facet was the concept of sound (nada). In all forms of nature, animate or inanimate, visible or invisible, there is some form of sound present. A human being cannot understand the dog whistle, but a dog will react when this whistle is being played. It is not that the sound does not exist to us, but it is beyond our capacity to hear.

In nature, there are many kinds of sounds, but there are seven representative sounds that exists. The seven sounds of nature are known as suddha swars.

The seven suddha swars are

Sadja, Rsabha, Gandhara, Madhyama, Panchama, Dhaivata, and Nisada.

More commonly known as Sa, Re, Ga, Ma, Pa, Dha, and Ni.

In nature, Sa comes from the sound of the peacock, Re comes from the skylark, Ga from the goat, Ma from the heron, Pa from the nightingale, Dha from the horse, and Ni from the elephant. But nature is not limited to animal sounds. It is also in the form of colors too. These notes also represent colors. Sa is the lotus leaf, Re is red, Ga is golden, Ma in kundan powder, Pa is black, Dha is yellow, and Ni is all of them combined.

Of the seven notes, "Sa" is the most firm note. Without sa, the entire saptak falls apart. The name for Sa is "sadja." It comes from the Sanskrit "sad + aja." In Sanskrit, "Sad" means "six", while "aja" means creator of. The other six notes (R G m P D and N) cannot have true definition unless Sa is defined, because the position of Sa will define where Re, Ga, ma, Pa, Dha, and Ni fall. The next firm note is "Pa." The union of "Sa" and "Pa" represents the perfect union, the perfect harmony. It is so perfect, that madhyam cannot have this fortune of being "achal" (non-moveable).

From the seven notes, there are also hidden notes are not directly from nature, but can be derived from it. Through murchana (transposition) of the saptak (S R G m P D N), five extra notes come out. Flat re, Flat ga, sharp Ma, flat dha, and flat ni. These five notes are known as vikrta swars. The entire sargam is S r R g G m M P d D n N S'.

Up to this point, Western and Indian music will agree of at least 12 notes. But Indian music will divide further into micro-tones called "srutis." There are 22 shrutis. There is a Sanskrit verse explaining the srutis.

"catus catus catus-caiva

sadja madhyama pancamam

dvai dvai nisada gandharau

tristra-rsabha dhaivatah"

There are four srutis for Sa, Ma, and Pa; two srutis for Ni and Ga, and three for Re, and Dha.

4+4+4+2+2+3+3 = 12+4+6=22.

True Indian music uses these srutis. For instance, Raga Darbari Kanhada will use a very flattened version of "komal ga" and "komal dha." A harmonium cannot accurately show this. For sitar player, this special komal ga and dha is done by NOT using the ga or dha frets, but using the Re and Pa fret and doing a unique meend by pulling the string and creating an andolan (one of the requirements of this raga).

Later, I'll post something about ragas. These notes of nature are represented by colors. These colors paint a picture. This picture is called "raga." As Matanga Muni said, "raga is what colors the mind."

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Hey raghav,that is what is called light music actually no,music deviating from rules of ragas,folk music is also an example.😉

Originally posted by: raghav64

Film music makes interesting deviations from rules of raagas. One example of a great song is "Sham-E-Gham ki kasam" by Talat Mehmood where again and again both G (Shuddh and komal) are used in succession. It has a wonderful effect though.
I noticed this when I was playing this song earlier this morning and thought I would share it with you.
I am sure there are more but this came to my mind.

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: ruby_bindas24

Bhaktaji,wow!A great post.U mean dogs whitsle in ultasound ranges?gr8.Bhaktaji,can you plz tell something in specificabout srutis and how they r used in ragas?I could not relate the srutis with ragas.

Thank u Sir,u've made everyone more aware about the theories of music,u're surely going 2 become a gr8 music director,and i'll be the first one to buy ur songs.👏

There are 22 srutis. In different situations, different srutis of the notes will be used. For instance, Raga Darbari Kanhada uses a sruti than "normal" komal ga.

Raga Todi uses a lower than usual komal re. Hence a sruti of komal re.

Raga Multani (of the Todi Thaat) uses a komal re lower than that! When I was studying Todi Thaat in high school, I was never able understand this concept until I understood sruti.

Raga Bhairava uses a slightly lower komal re.

Raga Marwa uses a slightly higher komal re to make it unique from Sa. Also a slightly sharper shuddha dha.

Also, Rubyji, your response to Raghavji's post is correct. In light music, it is not necessarily to follow the raga 100%. For instance, "O Duniya Ke Rakhawale" had ONE... just ONE cameo appearance of shuddha dha, in the line "mehelun udas aur galiyan suni." Naushad Ali used the dha in a very very small manner that it didn't kill the raga. Otherwise, putting a shuddha dha is like putting pepper in a sweet lassi. We like lassi and we like pepper, but not together!

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Posted: 19 years ago
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BUMP for some newbies who, I noticed, are interested in music...
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Posted: 19 years ago
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👏 👏 👏 great im stuttering on what to say now!
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: aashiq2005

AWESOME. Can you please email this to the following addresses:

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😆thanx...
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Thank you very much Kishore bhaktaji for the wonderfully written article. I was always interested in music and your posts help understand it better.

I learnt playing harmonium for a while but discontinued it. I wish I had learnt to play atleast one instrument very well.
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Thanks a lot for the lucid & informative articles on indian classical music. The article did clear one doubt that was lingering in my mind for a long time. There was this song by Lataji in film "Truck Driver"(1970), music by Sonik-Omi. Raag: Marwa. In a radio talk sonik or omi - one of them commented that it was a pretty difficult raag to sing and Lataji managed it very well. They weren't sure if anyone else could have managed to get the notes right. KB ji has explained the difficulty involved.

The song is
'Kanha re kanha tune lakhon raas rachaye
Phir kahe tose aur kisika pyar na dekha jaye...'

I love the song.

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Posted: 19 years ago
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I am not commenting about the first post, because I know that I am extremely unqualified to even praise that post, because it is absolutely out of my league !!!

But your analysis of the SRGMP contestants was very good. I agree with all of it but just a few questions regarding the contestants knowledge of music

1) Who do you think deserved to win the Challenge 2005 (Musically)
2) How important is feeling for a song and which contestant brought about that feeling without getting into over expression?
3) Which contestant went off-key and off sur the most and which contestant was perfect in the sur dept. ?

Thanks again for a great great great post!
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: jhsurti

Thanks a lot for the lucid & informative articles on indian classical music. The article did clear one doubt that was lingering in my mind for a long time. There was this song by Lataji in film "Truck Driver"(1970), music by Sonik-Omi. Raag: Marwa. In a radio talk sonik or omi - one of them commented that it was a pretty difficult raag to sing and Lataji managed it very well. They weren't sure if anyone else could have managed to get the notes right. KB ji has explained the difficulty involved.

The song is
'Kanha re kanha tune lakhon raas rachaye
Phir kahe tose aur kisika pyar na dekha jaye...'

I love the song.

First, I want to thank JuggyE for going so far back and bumping this thread up! Thank you!

I never heard this song myself, but Raga Marwa is a very tricky raga because...

1) it's harmonically unstable. It is so unstable, since Sa is skipped so frequently, that the Sa seems to disappear.

2) The slightly sharper komal re and slightly flatter suddha dha are unique assets to this raga.

3) If you have a keyboard, you can never play this with a pitch bender.😆

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