A not so convincing track... - Page 2

Originally posted by: idonkno

Back again with the thoughts of my impatient brain

Why was Kabir so convincing in the scene with Tarini where he said that he had told Ananya whatever he knew? I still cannot get over that scene even after he has confessed being an eye-witness to SK's murder. For the first time I actually did not apply my favourite House's (from House MD) quote that everybody lies' in relation to Kabir because it was nearly impossible to doubt him then. But, I am glad that Kabir Sharma turned out to be as human as each one of us and what he did in the past in relation to SK's case is wholly pragmatic.

I can understand him lying to Ananya.. But I can't understand his that dialogue to Tarini.. It is just plain blooper.. Nothing else, there is nothing for us to analyse..

So the makers purposefully made us believe that Kabir came clean by telling Ananya whatever he knew about the case through his genuine expressions and then by not bringing up SK's name for a while (so that we don't get to see Kabir's burdened look) and solely focussed on KaYa's love story. I don't blame them for this because in a way it was necessary on their part for making the audience bond with KaYa. Had they shown us that Kabir is hiding something from Ananya in relation to SK then right from the start most of us would have questioned his love for Ananya and his actions with respect to their relationship. Well, they did succeed to some extent but not entirely because we can see some people believing that he could have told her the truth because it is so simple and that Ananya would have understood.

Hmmm, there is some logic in your way of thinking. But I don't think the writers thought this way.. IMO, they had plans to bring up SK's case, but not this way..

I think logically then yes he should have told her the entire truth but I believe in the fact that all our decisions/thoughts/actions are governed by our emotions are not logic. In fact even with what we believe are logical decisions, the very point of choice is arguably always based on emotion. Same is for Kabir as well he is no different than us (logical reasoning made him feel burdened because his conscience kept reminding that he is doing wrong but his emotions made him helpless). So I am judging his actions based on his emotional situation when the suicide revelation' was made and later; and I can understand what made him do so.

I agree, humans are not always logical, we let our emotions override logic, and we are most logical when it comes to others' programs ;). That's why all of us in the forum are logical when we come to analyse the show and its characters.

When Kabir got to know about Ananya being SK's daughter during the baaghi case he was no more just the EIC of KKN for her but someone she looked up to in her life because of his support to her father. Also, by that time he was not familiar with his feelings but we all feel that he had already fallen for her. I would like to believe that he went to meet Ananya with the intention of telling her the entire truth but it was way too hard for him to speak and when Ananya assumed it to be a suicide he did not correct her and left when asked because of a couple of reasons (realistic too) .

• Firstly, I know that it is way too hard for most of the people to accept their blemish in front of another person who sees you with a high regard.
• And the second barrier that stopped him from telling the entire truth was his unnamed feelings for Ananya that made him on the spur of the moment (reflexively I mean) just care for her more than anything else and the fear for her safety being well aware of the fact that she'll pursue the case after knowing the truth and that danger involved is inevitable.

You make perfect sense here, I can empathise with both the points.. Not everyone would agree, but I am of the firm opinion that nothing could have stopped Ananya from pursuing the case, except an explict threat to her family.

It would have been certainly been easier for him to tell the entire truth when he handed over SK's purse to Ananya but certainly more difficult after the realization of his love and getting into a relationship with Ananya. Do I need to give reasons for this? Haven't we all witnessed enough to know how much Ananya's emotional and physical well-being matters to him?

Yes, Ananya's well being matters most to him.. I atleast don't need any proof for it.. He may not always do the morally right thing, but he would always do what he thinks in the best interests of Ananya.

Yes he lied! He made a mistake! Everyone does!

Hhaha, Yeah. Anyone who have never lied to their family or dear ones, please raise the hand!!. If lying is a sin, we all are sinners...

Had he been forced to lie by due to some external stimulus then his actions would have been justified to most of us? So, why can't we accept that his action of hiding was internalized? Isn't that what happens in reality too? At one point we all act selfish!

In truth, most of us lie to our dear ones, not because of external factors, but because of internal reasons.. Atleast this is what I have experienced..

PS:

would have certainly been a happier if Kabir had already started re-working on SK's case after knowing that he is Ananya's father rather than yesterday! Would loved to see a good paced story now! If the friction between KaYa is bound to continue then I would love to see them occupied with SK's case individually (and later coming together professionally) rather than seeing umpteen scenes where Kabir patiently tries to talk to Ananya while she ignores him! Badly need some professional thrills now!

Actually this track becomes not so convincing for me because of this reason, can't believe that Kabir took no initiative to reopen the case at the background.. I think early next week, they will start working on the case together..

And regarding Ananya listening to Kabir..it should come out naturally on her part when her anger abates or a bit later..I don't want to see her trust rebuilding on Kabir because of his another heroic act or any interference from a third party again!

I totally agree!! Ananya should relsise that Kabir is NOT a super hero, but an ordinary mortal who at times compromise his values for the safety of his near & dear.. If she can love that flawed man, it is well and good, if not, they are not just meant to be together, Kabir deserves to be loved for what he is, the same way he loves Ananya..

P.P.S : What happened to SK's dead body 😕? Don't tell me it vanished into thin air while falling from the cliff 😆

Seems so 😊

Originally posted by: LizzieBennett

Originally posted by: pomegranate

I'm disappointed at the last minute twist, but not with the characters. their behaviour is natural given the awful situation. even know Ananya is hurt more than being angry, and now she is lashing out at kabir. When we are hurt, we tend to hurt those who are closest to us.

otherwise, Happy that kabir threw the bottle away. in fact, he looked even more determined after that. also, the JSP's are giving me hope these days.

In second thoughts, I feel this twist is needed, otherwise poeple like me would have always had this nagging doubt about Ananya's love for Kabir, whether she loves him becuse he is a hero to her, or becuse she truly accepts him with all his weakness.. Now we would know... I agree, when we are hurt, we tend to hurt our dear ones.. I was extremely happy when he thrown the bottle, this is exactly what I wanted from him, I guess I was mentioning that he won't succumb to alcoholism for a while now.,

PS: noticing for the past weeks that kabirs "house" is being shown as a indoor garden or something😕 I really want the original set back. Loved the well-lit kitchen area.

The last time his kitchen was shown was during the bkb scene, that is 55 episode back ;). The living room was shown much before that, when Tarini came to drop Anurag for the stay with Kabir.. I think we will not get to see Kabir's house set anymore. :(

Originally posted by: jyoti01

Quote..." I have read a post about Shreya's knowledge of the case, I have same queries, how did Shreya come to know of SK's case? I am inclined to the opinion that Kabir was already divorced when the case happened. Because otherwise his Bhabhi and bhaiyya would not have known Shreya so well (well enough to despise her). It is very obvious, after the SK case, Kabir was totally estranged from his family until the bhagi case.. .."

i think Kabir and his brother were in touch even after Shreya comes into the picture...coz when his daada came to his house for dinner after the baghi incident, he did ask him if he still drinks...to which Kabir replied that no he does not drink now. Kabir took to drinking only after his failed relationship with Shreya. Also they each others mobile numbers.

Originally posted by: idonkno

@ Geetha : Of course we all are sinners 😛. Lying was once considered to be a sin and maybe some still do. Bible also states the same but we defientely have morally evolved and the process continues. After all there is no concept of right or wrong in this world (had it been so we would have all agreed to one thing and not have different opinions on any matter)- its is something that we humans have come up with to conveniently survive in the society. We are led by our moral beliefs and its is our experiences and the consequences of our decisions/actions/thoughts (that are purely internalized during that time) that shapes them!

I agree, in today's world, no action is sin as long as we don't intend to hurt anyone..

Coming to KaYa..Hopefully they'll come together next week.This is the most crucial case of their life and I want to see them united rather than solving it individually! I was kind of skeptical about yesterday's episode but it was not that bad! There has been a significant progress in the story and I am liking it. I even felt it was not that bad with KaYa..I mean Kabir was completely understanding Ananya's stance and being patient enough to explain her his point..Ananya venting out her anger and pain..though her words were really hard-hitting but I can understand because I have also been insensitive towards the closest people who have hurt me! Everything she blurted was coming out of anger and not from the heart!! In fact an eruption does help in thinking rationally and I hope same is the case with Ananya too!

Yes, I too have used some harsh words when I was hurt.. Could relate to her.. Do you remember the advice Ronnie once gave to Kabir, during the promotion track, when Ananya was ignoring Kabir.. He asked Kabir to let her vent out her frustrations when he drops her home and then Ananya would comr back to normal, very sensible advice though it didn't work for Kabir at that time as Ananya didn't let him drop her home ;).

I found Ananya's behaviour in those tracks, her tantrum throwing, making Kabir run behind her asking for forgiveness, and some of her comments to Ronnie about Kabir, very immature. In the current track, till now I find her relatable, becuse now she has very genuine reaons to be upset,

Ronnie is being used as scapegoat by MaYa (as Manav clearly knows of his feelings for Ananya). And I feel Kabir is wise enough to understand this :)

Let's see if Kabir will still look for a proof against Shreya or is he planning something else (protecting and supporting Ananya is being considered as default here 😉)!

I desperately want the manipulative Kabir back.. Missing him badly... The lover Kabir with pained eyes started boring me.. Want attitude wala Kabir... That's why I enjoyed his yesterday's scene with Shreya immensely.

In fact I am more eager to see how Ananya manages to understand Kabir's stance in the past and his actions of hiding the info from her..and also how will she accept this 'Kabir' who is not as perfect as she always thought him to be (and no heroic acts please makers!!)..

Yes, I second your request... No heroic acts please... Atleast until after they reconcile ;)

The pharma sponsor case seems to be coming in picture now! I still feel there will be a connection between SK's case and the sponsors. It might just land up KKN in big trouble. Our EIC needs to pay attention to work as well along with his personal life!

I know, he is ignoring work, not a good sign..

PS: Not even slightly thinking about the bloopers or the fact that Kabir did not started working on this case on his own

Good decision 👍🏼