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Posted: 11 years ago
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WOW! Awesome, Diya!
Unfortunately, this is the sorry state of affairs in Indian entertainment, isn't it? The focus is ALWAYS on the guy. The gal is just an embellishment that is a vehicle for the guy's wherewithall, be it emotions, feelings, attitude, family connections...
It would be great were there shows that would focus on the gal.
Don't know, though, if the Indian masses are prepared or ready for that. (CIP - Chhan Chhan...)
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Posted: 11 years ago
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paro is a beautiful character...with great strengths...yet it has failed to connect with audience...viewers find her confusing...members of IF come across many analysis which makes them understand the core of characters n story...but normal viewers who are more in number than us just go blank because CVz have never shown paro's fear n inner turmoil...i know rudraz fears n insecurities because it was penned n portrayed well...except the famous "shanth shanth "episode in which rudra tries comforting paro...i have never seen her pain as a viewer...her pain is not little...
to be honest if it was some other actress playing the character i would have never related to paro...but sanaya makes me cry for paro ...during the mangalsutra scene i cried with paro for paro...i was so touched...
a very beautiful post...loved reading...u understood paro to the core which many viewers cannot...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Diya...interesting take...helps me understand Paro's POV better...I definitely get her better now...but I still don't agree with her tactics.

I will come back later and write more if I find time because I do want to discuss this, I want to be convinced, but for now I would just like to clarify two things:

1) Rudra did not say that his pain is bigger than Paro's. He said it's different. Alag baat he. And he's right...his pain and Paro's pain is different, they're different types of pain, it cannot be compared. When he says their pains are different he is not saying that his pain is bigger and hers less. He is only saying that their pain is not the same, his pain stems from the feeling that he is not loved because his mother chose herself and another man over him and Paro's pain is of heartbreak and death but her parents didn't leave her out of choice and so she does not feel unloved, these two pains really cannot be compared, and therefore Paro cannot relate to Rudra's pain, just like Rudra cannot relate to Paro's pain. They just aren't on the same page. That does not mean that he thinks his pain is greater than Paro's, far from it actually.

2) Mala was not thinking of Rudra when she decided to leave. She did not think "Oh I'll wait until he's older till I leave him!" She said herself that one day she just couldn't take it anymore, she couldn't handle her broken relationship with her husband, and so she decided to leave. It was about her and her husband, not Rudra, and this is what Rudra tells his parents. I would also like to say that age 13 is not necessarily old enough to fight abuse. It's a vulnerable age, in the transition stage, many kids especially this age or around this age succumb to things like bullying, etc because they are not old enough and strong enough to fight it. I can tell you myself that I didn't have a fighting spirit until I was much older, at age 13 I would let anybody walk all over me if they wanted to.

Note: I would feel cheated if I found out the love of my love was emotionally manipulating me. It doesn't really matter to me if their intentions were pure, if they were only looking out for me, in such relationships I appreciate and expect emotional solidarity, not emotional manipulation.

In the real world we often see relationships break because of actions similar to this. One partner asks, "How could you lie to me??" The other partner says, "I didn't want to hurt you!" The response, "That's not up to you to decide! I appreciate honesty, I have a right to know, and as my partner you always have to be honest with me! No games!"

I know you're not saying that Paro's POV is right or wrong, you are simply presenting her POV, and I appreciate it, but I would also like to say that Paro is doing this for Mala as well...to give her back the rights and honour that she apparently deserves.

Thanks for reading 😊

P.S. Since this is a post about Paro I talked about Paro and what I don't like, but there are plenty of things that bother me about Rudra as well. I saw your post on Sush's thread, if you saw my post on her thread you will see that I have criticized Rudra and his bheja there. So this is a disclaimer to everyone reading...I am not a "Rudra fangirl" speaking.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#34

Originally posted by: DiyaS


Thanks for your reply ... good to hear someone ready to discuss.

Again, this is not to justify Paro or Mala ... or to glorify them ... this is just to present their POV. And the writers have NOT SHOWN Mala's or Paro's POV, which is where the whole problem lies. Remember, this is a story, and we are seeing only what the story tellers show us.

How do we know how badly hurt Rudra was about his mother's desertion? Because we have been SHOWN it ... again and again and again. Starting with his breakdown with the soldier's mother ... and multiple times after that.

We have not been SHOWN Mala's POV ... and that is exactly where the lacuna lies. And why we cannot empathise with her.

Why do we feel that she was justified in leaving, even slightly? Because we have been SHOWN that Dilsher abused her.

Now if the cvs show us a few flashbacks of Mala pining for Rudra, seeing Rudra in every child, making multiple attempts to hunt for Rudra and Dilsher, deciding time and again that the moment she gets news of Rudra, she will tell Tejawat and ask his help to get Rudra back, worrying whether Tejawat will accept Rudra, whether Rudra will accept Tejawat, wondering how well Disher is looking after him, and whether she would be selfish in separating him from his dad ... if we saw any or all of these scenes, that would change the entire scenario.

Did Mala know that her son was going through hell? Or did she feel that for thirteen years, while she faced abuse, Dilsher never lifted a hand on his son ... so at least Rudra was safe. And she left Rudra when he was thirteen, not three ... he was old enough to fight abuse ... or would be very soon.

The cvs have shown two very radical tracks for Indian TV ... a woman marrying her husband's killer ... and a woman running away from a bad marriage, instead of staying and bearing up with the abuse. But they have shortchanged their own show by not showing the emotions and compulsions of the women involved ... hence the disconnect.

Why does Paro glorify Mala to Rudra? Because she has seen that despite his mother's abandonment, when Rudra finally spoke about his mother, he only said good things, he only remembered the good times. He never said she scolded him, or that she neglected him. On the contrary, she was so devoted to her son, and he to her, that's why the betrayal hurt so much.


Well said Diya.

I am enjoying the discussion on this thread. Different perspectives but all being put across respectfully and with an intention to discuss the story and it's characters.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Zeeliciousxo

Diya...interesting take...helps me understand Paro's POV better...I definitely get her better now...but I still don't agree with her tactics.

I will come back later and write more if I find time because I do want to discuss this, I want to be convinced, but for now I would just like to clarify two things:

1) Rudra did not say that his pain is bigger than Paro's. He said it's different. Alag baat he. And he's right...his pain and Paro's pain is different, they're different types of pain, it cannot be compared. When he says their pains are different he is not saying that his pain is bigger and hers less. He is only saying that their pain is not the same, his pain stems from the feeling that he is not loved because his mother chose herself and another man over him and Paro's pain is of heartbreak and death but her parents didn't leave her out of choice and so she does not feel unloved, these two pains really cannot be compared, and therefore Paro cannot relate to Rudra's pain, just like Rudra cannot relate to Paro's pain. They just aren't on the same page. That does not mean that he thinks his pain is greater than Paro's, far from it actually.

2) Mala was not thinking of Rudra when she decided to leave. She did not think "Oh I'll wait until he's older till I leave him!" She said herself that one day she just couldn't take it anymore, she couldn't handle her broken relationship with her husband, and so she decided to leave. It was about her and her husband, not Rudra, and this is what Rudra tells his parents. I would also like to say that age 13 is not necessarily old enough to fight abuse. It's a vulnerable age, in the transition stage, many kids especially this age or around this age succumb to things like bullying, etc because they are not old enough and strong enough to fight it. I can tell you myself that I didn't have a fighting spirit until I was much older, at age 13 I would let anybody walk all over me if they wanted to.

Note: I would feel cheated if I found out the love of my love was emotionally manipulating me. It doesn't really matter to me if their intentions were pure, if they were only looking out for me, in such relationships I appreciate and expect emotional solidarity, not emotional manipulation.

In the real world we often see relationships break because of actions similar to this. One partner asks, "How could you lie to me??" The other partner says, "I didn't want to hurt you!" The response, "That's not up to you to decide! I appreciate honesty, I have a right to know, and as my partner you always have to be honest with me! No games!"

I know you're not saying that Paro's POV is right or wrong, you are simply presenting her POV, and I appreciate it, but I would also like to say that Paro is doing this for Mala as well...to give her back the rights and honour that she apparently deserves.

Thanks for reading 😊

P.S. Since this is a post about Paro I talked about Paro and what I don't like, but there are plenty of things that bother me about Rudra as well. I saw your post on Sush's thread, if you saw my post on her thread you will see that I have criticized Rudra and his bheja there. So this is a disclaimer to everyone reading...I am not a "Rudra fangirl" speaking.


Zee,

About Rudra's pain vs Paro's pain ... I forget his exact words, but the impression from that scene was that he felt her pain was not worthy of being discussed. Because her parents loved her, everything was fine for her, or it should be. He did not stop for a moment to sympathise, to say, 'yes, I know ... I agree ... you must have felt shattered too ...' or anything of that sort. It was just ... 'oh, you don't understand, because your parents loved you.'
Does he think Paro's pain is greater than his? Or even anywhere near? Has he ever told her that your world shattered, you lost your husband ... no, he tells her, get over it, that man was not your husband, so you shouldn't feel bad about it.
He tells her to get over her pain ... worse, he tells her that she shouldn't even FEEL the pain of a shattered marriage, a sudden widowhood ... because it was all false.
Isn't Paro telling him the same? Get over it ... because your mother did love you ... she didn't leave because of you, or because she did not love you.

'Mala was not thinking of Rudra when she decided to leave.'
In the one flashback we have been privileged to see, we know that Mala wanted to take Rudra with her, and she was thrown out by Dilsher.
Did she wait to take such a step till Rudra was 13? No, probably not. She took the step when she met Tejawat, and felt that if she left, he would help her, support her. Till then, she probably had no place to go ... she would have been on the road ... again, my conjecture.
Did she stay for so long for Rudra's sake? Almost certainly yes. If she had been alone, no kids ... then maybe she might have gotten the courage to walk out earlier. She might have felt that being on the streets without support was preferable to living with constant abuse. But because she wanted to take Rudra with her, maybe she wasn't brave enough to take that step with a baby or even a small child ... with the uncertainty of whether she could provide for him if she left.

Again, this is not whitewashing Mala ... but as a mother, I can understand her fears with a younger child, who is more fragile, more vulnerable. She waited till he was old enough ... not to leave, but to take him.

Once she was thrown out, she says she tried to come back for Rudra. Danveer supports that. But Dilsher went missing. So my crib is not that she left without him ... but did she try to find him in all these years? And if she did not succeed, did she try to console herself with the thought he was was old enough, his father would probably not be able to physically abuse him. As a mother who could not trace her child, she would have to console herself with something ... but I would still hope that she made some attempts to find him. And that is my biggest crib with the cvs ... why have they not shown those attempts?

Does Mala not deserve that Rudra know the truth about why she left? So if Paro is doing this for Mala as well, is it really wrong on her part? He knows she left, he hates her for that ... he also knows she lived with Tejawat for fifteen years ... so what should Mala do? Hang herself for daring to make a better life for herself, because she could not take her child with her? Despite trying to?
Rudra has hated her for fifteen years ... is it really good for him to continue hating her all his life? He can refuse to forgive her ... she will be miserable ... but will he really be happy? How will it help Rudra to continue wallowing in misery about his mother leaving? As it is, children from broken marriages have a tough time ... it is the responsibility of parents to reassure them that the reasons for the broken relationship were nothing to do with them, and to try to keep the bitterness between them from affecting the children. Dilsher and Mala failed at that fifteen years ago... And that is what Paro is trying to do. What every responsible parent does, in the unfortunate event that a marriage breaks. What Dilsher and Mala are trying belatedly to do too.

In the end ... yes, Mala was wrong to run away. She could have done things differently. She could have come back the next day in broad daylight and demanded to take Rudra with her. She could have probably done a lot more than she did ... than we have been shown, anyway.

But what now??!! That is past, it's over, it cannot be changed. How to go ahead ... that is the question.

I think the biggest problem is that the Indian mentality is that a woman who leaves her husband and child for another man, especially a richer man, has to be bad. All the women in TV and BW who've done this so far, are vamps. We cannot find any justification for them that is good enough. Right or wrong ... I don't know. And the cvs have not made an attempt to present a complete picture of both sides of the story. They have only shown us a one-sided view.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ddFan2012

Diya🤗,⭐️⭐️

I have been extremely busy these days, yet happened to pass by this afternoon. Liked it and left again.

Your post brought tears to my eyes.👏⭐️

Can I tweet it to the makers?

Someone's got to read this...and one of the reasons the show has a disconnect with the female audiences...




Diana, thanks ... glad I made at least a few people connect with Paro.

Yes, please go ahead and tweet it ... we've made attempts to tell the makers this a few times, but it's fallen on deaf ears ... let's see if it makes a difference now. Judging by today's episode, it won't ... they're still bent on portraying Rudra as ultimate hero, and forget about everyone else.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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bookmarking for now Diya Wow 👏
I wish you could be part of the writers team Imagine showing this side of both these women RR will shoot up in the TRP chart and ironic innit that folks read TRP don't seem to be that interested in only a Males emotional POV else this serial should be in the top 3 for colors
more over the weekend as I finish off this working day 😭 😡
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Now if the cvs show us a few flashbacks of Mala pining for Rudra, seeing Rudra in every child, making multiple attempts to hunt for Rudra and Dilsher, deciding time and again that the moment she gets news of Rudra, she will tell Tejawat and ask his help to get Rudra back, worrying whether Tejawat will accept Rudra, whether Rudra will accept Tejawat, wondering how well Disher is looking after him, and whether she would be selfish in separating him from his dad ... if we saw any or all of these scenes, that would change the entire scenario.

Thank you Diya for replying. The above paragraph is what is missing from the show & that's where the disconnect & some fans are not able to relate to Paro or Mala. Despite Mala 's abuse I do not feel for her . Anyway it's too late now for any of this.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Beautiful take diya!! Wonderfully written.. Wish the makers would show paro's feeling like this in the show...
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I have to add one more quick point unless folks have been in a situation where an intervention meant the difference between get busy living or get busy dying literally figuratively they will never understand the almost frenzied need to bring about change This is soap they have to do it in a week In life it takes time but ask the sufferer whether it be the afflicted person their family and they will say now if it is possible but the result is the same as in a fictional serial

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