Confused hearts and souls

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Trying to maintain some overall perspective about Friday's epi in what is otherwise an extremely polarized environment.

There are no rights or wrongs in this situation...cheapening one character to venerate the other would be in very poor taste.

Rudra is a flawed character...he has been upfront about it from day one...he never claimed to be a saint, never claimed to even be a good human being...some of us may think otherwise but that is besides the point...Yes, he had an 8 year long relationship with a woman, no strings attached...he has a past...a past that isn't easy to forget for anyone who may come into his life...and he also knows that...yet despite all that he found the COURAGE to tell his WHOLE story...what made him the way he is...a child so alone, surrounding himself with silence and darkness, stewing in that for half his life...what kind of a person would he then emerge to be?... how he tackled his demons, how he found ways to numb himself...the whole truth, the absolute unvarnished truth...and it takes courage to do that...he has opened himself up to being judged very badly over this...a man who cared a damn what anyone thought of him opened his whole dark soul up to a woman needing her understanding like he's never needed it before.

Which brings me to the woman in question...Paro...who has until this point wholly submitted herself to the idea of being his wife, his soulmate...had implicit trust in him being her savior, her soulmate in every way...and she's had a rude shock with this revelation...she can't believe such sides exist to people, this world...most specifically to her Major Saab who is a hero in every way to her...she can't imagine heroes being like this...and it seems many women can't...hence the name calling and strange labels being attached to Rudra...without any understanding of the character or situation.

Anyways coming back to Paro...she's in shock, hurt and confused right now...and ironically when she's otherwise always supported him implicitly, this one time she isn't able to gather the courage to look at the larger picture yet...too much confusion, too much hurt swirling in her heart...and no one's really blaming her for it either..

When an IMAGE shatters, it doesn't rebuild instantly...either it will be built again into something stronger than ever or it will be gone forever...


To me the most touching thing about this whole turn of events is about what it means emotionally for these two characters...there is a Rudra hoping against hope that Paro will not hate him over this even as he somewhere fears she will never be able to look him in the eye again...there is a Paro trying to digest this new side to Rudra...for once faced with a challenge that she isn't being able to overcome quickly with her usual optimism.

And ultimately if they have to pass this test, there has to be greater understanding b/w them...if Paro has taken on the challenge of wanting to be his wife, his soulmate, this is part of the package...this side of him that very much existed, that can't be wished away, that has to be accepted maturely...if he's found the courage to tell her so honestly, she'll have to find the courage, the heart to accept this as well...this isn't about infidelity or any of the other wild accusations being tossed around so casually right now without any thought or understanding regarding these two characters. It is about faith as it always has been b/w RP...their faith in each other...either conscious or subconscious.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Awesome post, Anu! Love it.

Rudra and Paro are extreme characters. Rudra thinks the worst of himself. And Paro can only think good. That is the reason I find this story very intriguing. And there is so much scope when we have such deep characters. For the story. Also to both understand and misunderstand.

Rudra has never hoped or even wanted a life with a wife like Paro. He was running away from marriage. The earlier scenes with Dilsher where he says he cannot marry because he is filled with zeher tells a lot about what he thinks of himself. Such relationships are not for him.

Paro has seen Rudra in different avatars. As a kid, crying for his mother. As a captor, who can be very menacing. As a rakshak, who saved her life all the time even if it was to put himself in danger. As a caring pati, who can be very caring and defend her too, even though he said he did not give a damn about this marriage. But now the Rudra with the whole truth from the past is before her eyes. It is awesome Rudra himself was the person who told her everything. And the direct truth. Of course, this is not anything a wife would want to hear. She is hurt because her dream for a normal life with Rudra has been shattered. And that is something she cannot digest. But I feel this is not something she would hold against Rudra either. But how she will handle this is to be seen. What we are seeing now is the immediate reaction of not being able to look at him, but to still care of him. Her actual reactions would come after she is able to take this all in completely.

Also what will Rudra do till then. He is restless right now. Not getting a reaction from her. She is not talking to him. Looking at him. What is she thinking. We know he cannot take it if she doesn't talk to him. Now he knows she is hurt and also because of his past. He is equally hurt. And his worst fear is playing out here. The love/care/respect that he received for the first time in his life is slowly slipping away. And he is helpless.

This got to be interesting to watch.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Crystal29

Awesome post, Anu! Love it. Thanks yaar🤗

Rudra and Paro are extreme characters. Rudra thinks the worst of himself. And Paro can only think good. That is the reason I find this story very intriguing. And there is so much scope when we have such deep characters. For the story. Also to both understand and misunderstand. Very well said, Anu...there is indeed tremendous scope in the story for analysis right now and that is why I felt some perspective was needed about Friday's epi again cuz that is probably one of the biggest twists in the show so far...I'd say probably bigger than the hate wedding cuz the aftermath of the hate wedding was somewhat anti-climactic with the vows and all being forgotten and moved on from so quickly...but this time it seems they will play out the emotional angst b/w the characters rather than an instant fix and that deffo brings a lot of potential to the story...Misunderstandings for this point of the story in my opinion are arising cuz what Rudra has just done is unheard of from even a "dark" hero on TV...to be so frank about your past relationship...in general such relationships are airbrushed and conveniently removed from audience memory...but I quite like this gutsy move to deal with this upfront and use it as a turning point to build the story around.

Rudra has never hoped or even wanted a life with a wife like Paro. He was running away from marriage. The earlier scenes with Dilsher where he says he cannot marry because he is filled with zeher tells a lot about what he thinks of himself. Such relationships are not for him.

Paro has seen Rudra in different avatars. As a kid, crying for his mother. As a captor, who can be very menacing. As a rakshak, who saved her life all the time even if it was to put himself in danger. As a caring pati, who can be very caring and defend her too, even though he said he did not give a damn about this marriage. But now the Rudra with the whole truth from the past is before her eyes. So true...she's seen various sides to him as time has passed and despite his most dire warnings, she's optimistically ACCEPTED each side she's seen...either sympathized with it or admired him for it...she always chose to put him on a pedestal over whatever side he showed to her...but now the whole truth has put a big chink in that pedestal without a doubt,...and it remains to be seen if/how she comes to accept this past of his.

It is awesome Rudra himself was the person who told her everything. And the direct truth. Of course, this is not anything a wife would want to hear. She is hurt because her dream for a normal life with Rudra has been shattered. And that is something she cannot digest. But I feel this is not something she would hold against Rudra either. But how she will handle this is to be seen. What we are seeing now is the immediate reaction of not being able to look at him, but to still care of him. Her actual reactions would come after she is able to take this all in completely. Exactly...she can't be blamed for being hurt...no matter how much Rudra snubbed her otherwise, she still believed and dreamed about making this marriage work...but for the first time she's been dealt a blow she isn't being able to recover from...yes this is her immediate reaction...the long term, time will tell...we are waiting to see...I also have a tendency to believe she won't hold it against him...yes as a wife, the hurt runs deep...but the Paro we've been shown so far is not the kind to seriously judge him over this...she's shocked right now, yes...but she tends to give benefit of doubt to almost everyone...and then this is her Rudra...this is frankly the biggest test yet of her love for Rudra...in order to truly love him, she will have to accept him wholeheartedly, this part of his past included...if she gives him that understanding, that forgiveness, that is the instant she will have won his heart.



Also what will Rudra do till then. He is restless right now. Not getting a reaction from her. She is not talking to him. Looking at him. What is she thinking. We know he cannot take it if she doesn't talk to him. Now he knows she is hurt and also because of his past. He is equally hurt. And his worst fear is playing out here. The love/care/respect that he received for the first time in his life is slowly slipping away. And he is helpless. Yeah he cannot deal with her not talking to him, not giving him any reaction...this is his worst nightmare playing out cuz nothing he's done so far has managed to hurt Paro as much as this has...she's never quite retreated this much into a shell before...I think right now he could even deal with the love/care/respect slipping away if she could just LOOK at him...she's not even looking at him with HATE...he could probably even deal with HATE...it's her total shutdown that he's feeling so helpless about...that is why the title naa...confused hearts and souls...they are both a bit adrift right now...when things just end up being somewhere halfway, there is that unfinished business feeling also that keeps niggling at you...like an ache in the heart.



This got to be interesting to watch.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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@Jaz1990 and surabi: Thank you :-)
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Great post Anu. Very well articulated and to the point. No matter all the unsavory details of the past, they are both now in the present and have to find a way to move forward...together. And that is the challenge , the test for both Paro and Rudra. Yes it's about faith, but also about truth.

For all her unconditional love for Rudra, does this condition of his past life , bring into question the usual " for better or for worse" aspect of marital life? Can she get past all her doubts,insecurities, fears etc ? From her perspective,what would haunt her most I think is ..does he really care about me other than safeguarding my life? Deep down does he still harbor feelings for Laila? Did I bring this down on myself by declaring my undying love and pressuring him to marry me? Am I fooling myself into seeing and believing more than there really is in our relationship?

Her idealistic view of Rudra and their relationship has been shaken to the core of her being. Understandably she's hurt, disappointed, unsure of what to think or believe right now. And just adds to her belief that everything she has ever thought about her life has turned out to be a lie in one way or another. So what to think now?

For Rudra, it's just as traumatic. The ugly sordid truth of his life has been laid bare for Paro to see. He never wanted her to know his truth,no matter how mant times he alluded to his dark and damaged past. Somewhere deep inside he wanted her to believe the best of him, he was her hero,her protector, the reason she was alive, no matter how angry he would get with her. He always wanted her to trust him.

They are both at a crossroads in their tenuous relationship. And how they both navigate this journey forward should make for some tense but interesting viewing. Yes,it is about Paro's faith in her love for this flawed,imperfect ,conflicted man, her husband . But it's also about Rudra's truth. No ,not just about this embarassing revelation. But what is the truth that abides in his heart for Paro? Is it just a sense of duty, guilt, etc or is he ready to admit to himself that he really loves this girl,his wife? In spite of all his fears that he's undeserving and unlovable or himself incapable of truly loving anyone , is he ready to admit that Paro actually matters to him...because he really loves her?

Paro and Rudra both have some realization and convincing to do, to themselves and to each other. Just hope it's handled with the intelligence and sensitivity that it deserves.




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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Leesan

Great post Anu. Very well articulated and to the point. No matter all the unsavory details of the past, they are both now in the present and have to find a way to move forward...together. And that is the challenge , the test for both Paro and Rudra. Yes it's about faith, but also about truth.


For all her unconditional love for Rudra, does this condition of his past life , bring into question the usual " for better or for worse" aspect of marital life? Can she get past all her doubts,insecurities, fears etc ? From her perspective,what would haunt her most I think is ..does he really care about me other than safeguarding my life? Deep down does he still harbor feelings for Laila? Did I bring this down on myself by declaring my undying love and pressuring him to marry me? Am I fooling myself into seeing and believing more than there really is in our relationship?

Her idealistic view of Rudra and their relationship has been shaken to the core of her being. Understandably she's hurt, disappointed, unsure of what to think or believe right now. And just adds to her belief that everything she has ever thought about her life has turned out to be a lie in one way or another. So what to think now?

For Rudra, it's just as traumatic. The ugly sordid truth of his life has been laid bare for Paro to see. He never wanted her to know his truth,no matter how mant times he alluded to his dark and damaged past. Somewhere deep inside he wanted her to believe the best of him, he was her hero,her protector, the reason she was alive, no matter how angry he would get with her. He always wanted her to trust him.

They are both at a crossroads in their tenuous relationship. And how they both navigate this journey forward should make for some tense but interesting viewing. Yes,it is about Paro's faith in her love for this flawed,imperfect ,conflicted man, her husband . But it's also about Rudra's truth. No ,not just about this embarassing revelation. But what is the truth that abides in his heart for Paro? Is it just a sense of duty, guilt, etc or is he ready to admit to himself that he really loves this girl,his wife? In spite of all his fears that he's undeserving and unlovable or himself incapable of truly loving anyone , is he ready to admit that Paro actually matters to him...because he really loves her?

Paro and Rudra both have some realization and convincing to do, to themselves and to each other. Just hope it's handled with the intelligence and sensitivity that it deserves.






Thanks, Leesan and a fab post from you here as well👏👏...especially the points in blue...very astutely pointed out...yes indeed this is also about the truth...actually the acceptance of some much needed truths for both Rudra and Paro...for Paro, the acceptance of the truth that this man is MORE flawed and imperfect than she had imagined...is she ready to handle that truth? To accept him WITH that truth? And before all that as you said, is she even able to reconcile to what the truth IS? Is the truth what she believed all this while about her and Rudra being destined soulmates since the bus meeting or is the truth that she forced him into a marriage he never wanted?

For Rudra, as you said it is about accepting the truth about how much Paro REALLY matters...the fact that despite all his fears, insecurities, he's gone ahead and fallen in love after all with the very woman he tried so hard to push himself away from.

One truth has set so many things into motion...this could snowball into much bigger truths coming to light for Rudra and Paro...some internal enlightenment...that is IF...a BIG if this is handled with the sensitivity and intelligence it deserves as you rightly said...there is so much potential in this turn of events if only it is not reduced to cliched scenes involving Laila's schemes. I understand that we will probably not be rid of her anytime soon anyways but I would like for some quality RP scenes and storyline movement to come about regardless.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: AreYaar


Misunderstandings for this point of the story in my opinion are arising cuz what Rudra has just done is unheard of from even a "dark" hero on TV...to be so frank about your past relationship...in general such relationships are airbrushed and conveniently removed from audience memory...but I quite like this gutsy move to deal with this upfront and use it as a turning point to build the story around.


this is his worst nightmare playing out cuz nothing he's done so far has managed to hurt Paro as much as this has...she's never quite retreated this much into a shell before...I think right now he could even deal with the love/care/respect slipping away if she could just LOOK at him...she's not even looking at him with HATE...he could probably even deal with HATE...it's her total shutdown that he's feeling so helpless about...that is why the title naa...confused hearts and souls...they are both a bit adrift right now...when things just end up being somewhere halfway, there is that unfinished business feeling also that keeps niggling at you...like an ache in the heart.




It is true. They have managed to explore this whole dark side with this kind of past relationship of the male lead. Brought it to the foreground, used it as a turning point and had a whole freaking scene where Rudra explains the same with such bluntness. Happy they could go through with this as this is a very crucial turn to their story.

After a long time or maybe I should say for the first time, Rudra is not able to understand how Paro will react. He needs something back. But also giving her the space. Yep, as you say even hate would do. But again, can he take it if he sees hate in her eyes? Won't it be more devastating than not getting a reaction at all?

For Paro, the fact that Laila is right there in the haveli is going to be the biggest hurdle to get over this test of faith. Laila does not even have to do anything. Every time she sees Laila anywhere near Rudra, this truth is going to magnify. I mean we as viewers could not take that Firday's last scene and precap - dream or no dream. So accepting is going to be a huge step.

I want to build such high hopes on this. But stopping myself, as I have been burnt earlier. For now, yes, the way this story is progressing is awesome.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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My heart broke for Rudra on Friday! He has laid himself open for Paro to see and now fears that his worst fears will come true...that Paro will also leave him as he is unloveable...he is so hurt n confused by her silence...
Of course he needs to realize and admit his feelings but will be even more difficult for him now...Will be so interesting to watch how Paro's silence and pain affects Rudra and what it makes him do...am probably in the minority but I felt Rudra's pain more than Paro's...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: AreYaar

Trying to maintain some overall perspective about Friday's epi in what is otherwise an extremely polarized environment.

There are no rights or wrongs in this situation...cheapening one character to venerate the other would be in very poor taste.

Rudra is a flawed character...he has been upfront about it from day one...he never claimed to be a saint, never claimed to even be a good human being...some of us may think otherwise but that is besides the point...Yes, he had an 8 year long relationship with a woman, no strings attached...he has a past...a past that isn't easy to forget for anyone who may come into his life...and he also knows that...yet despite all that he found the COURAGE to tell his WHOLE story...what made him the way he is...a child so alone, surrounding himself with silence and darkness, stewing in that for half his life...what kind of a person would he then emerge to be?... how he tackled his demons, how he found ways to numb himself...the whole truth, the absolute unvarnished truth...and it takes courage to do that...he has opened himself up to being judged very badly over this...a man who cared a damn what anyone thought of him opened his whole dark soul up to a woman needing her understanding like he's never needed it before.

Which brings me to the woman in question...Paro...who has until this point wholly submitted herself to the idea of being his wife, his soulmate...had implicit trust in him being her savior, her soulmate in every way...and she's had a rude shock with this revelation...she can't believe such sides exist to people, this world...most specifically to her Major Saab who is a hero in every way to her...she can't imagine heroes being like this...and it seems many women can't...hence the name calling and strange labels being attached to Rudra...without any understanding of the character or situation.

Anyways coming back to Paro...she's in shock, hurt and confused right now...and ironically when she's otherwise always supported him implicitly, this one time she isn't able to gather the courage to look at the larger picture yet...too much confusion, too much hurt swirling in her heart...and no one's really blaming her for it either..

When an IMAGE shatters, it doesn't rebuild instantly...either it will be built again into something stronger than ever or it will be gone forever...


To me the most touching thing about this whole turn of events is about what it means emotionally for these two characters...there is a Rudra hoping against hope that Paro will not hate him over this even as he somewhere fears she will never be able to look him in the eye again...there is a Paro trying to digest this new side to Rudra...for once faced with a challenge that she isn't being able to overcome quickly with her usual optimism.

And ultimately if they have to pass this test, there has to be greater understanding b/w them...if Paro has taken on the challenge of wanting to be his wife, his soulmate, this is part of the package...this side of him that very much existed, that can't be wished away, that has to be accepted maturely...if he's found the courage to tell her so honestly, she'll have to find the courage, the heart to accept this as well...this isn't about infidelity or any of the other wild accusations being tossed around so casually right now without any thought or understanding regarding these two characters. It is about faith as it always has been b/w RP...their faith in each other...either conscious or subconscious.


GOSH Anu- thats such a FAB post 👏 Just loved the points in bold- which is almost the whole of your post!
I was just watching the episode again (while I shld have been working) and along with that I watched the whole of last weeks episodes as well! Now even the cuteness overload seems to fit in retrospect! Rudra Dev's cynicism and weariness had taken a total backseat wrt to Paro and he had started to see her as a white/pure soul, especially after the laddoo track- finally had strated to respect the love she shows so openly for him and had sort of started accepting it without his usual cynicism and distrust! He was showing his inner unsoiled soul to her in the past few days!

Seriously- it has also been a brave thing to show the hero so SCARED- the scenes where laila taunts him that he has not told Paro about them- the FEAR in his eyes!! I have not seen a situation in my limited viewing of soaps so far where the HERO has been so conflicted and fearful about opening of sordid details of his past! There is NOW that ONE person whose opinion REALLY matters to him- That itself would have been scary thing for him and he could have in his usual way tried to gruffly shrug it away- BUT he chose NOT TO as he would not have been able to live with himself then!! And now the the worst seems to be happening in front of his eyes!

And Paro *sigh*- she's not the kinds to throw things, take out her hurt, her pain physically or verbally! Rudra would be so glad to see a collar pakadne waali Paro right now- rather than this withdrawn one! Also she is no match for Laila's shenanigans in her vulnerable state especially now that shes not letting Rudra also to come near her! I wish Dilsher comes into the picture and senses that something is very wrong here! Would he not have any inkling about the 'amourous' details of Rudr Dev's past 8 yrs?? He lived with him all along- otr maybe he was too drunk? But he has given Laila some suspicious looks as well?

Anyways- I am very sad - but also very glad that the emotions have made a come back in RR- the raw ingredient that shapes it is back!! Bas if they focus even 70 % on this and the rest 30 % on the slapstick of dramaic twists and turns provided by laila and mohini combo- I'll be a happy camper!

Chalo- adios- jeg skal sove nu (i'll sleep now) 😊 kal miltein hain!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Well said. I agree wholeheartedly. Rudra is not perfect but he is honest. He made himself extremely vulnerable to Paro. He has exposed his heart to her with great trepidation.
Paro will have to see if she can look at Rudra as a human being now, flaws and all, and still love him.
A test of love. I am sure they will pass... ❤️

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