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Posted: 11 years ago
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Looking at things from Rudra's point of view, what you said is right, but I will not shift the entire blame on Laila either. Feelings and emotions cannot be defined or delineated so precisely. Some relations start at a particular point and change overtime with no clear plan from either party. Yes, Rudra was upfront with Laila, but he was also very aware of her growing posessivenes and obsession with him. He kept going back to her for pleasure or letting out steam. When lines blur and equations change cannot be pinpointed. Eight years is a very long time and from what we saw today even Rudra seems to know he owes Laila at least an explanation and at some level feels responsible otherwise why will he be startled to see her or take her to his room? Apart from not wanting others to find out about her identity, there was a concern, he did not simply push her aside.

I don't think it is always about sympathizing with a female character. Infact the creatives and most in this forum too look at things more from Rudra's lens and give him quite a bit of leeveway. Today Thakur knowing of Paro being alive and in Chandangadh and his goons having free access to the haveli are result of Rudra's faulty planning, and his demand for a big wedding with all rituals. In putting down Mohini he made his task of protecting Paro difficult. The lines of personal and professional are getting blurred for him and affecting his plans and his relation with Paro.

If we can give this leeveway to Rudra, Laila too can be cut some slack for how she is feeling and reacting. Relationships are complex, not clear cut like business deals and how lines get blurred is difficult to explain. Laila may not want marriage and domesticity but she did expect to be the only "woman" in his life, it maybe foolish in her part, but after a eight year relationship it is not a surprise. My take is nobody is at fault per say, human mind and heart do not function so clinically when one is in a situation, as outsiders we can be more objective.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#32

Originally posted by: eveline

He has more to give, but not to her. He cannot give her more cause she does not evoke or invoke those passions in him. The fact is she did not hold the key. She could not unleash that side of him in eight long years. She was just not the right person for it, or may be she didn't have the right attitude.

Yes, its chilling but its a waste to spend your life yearning for someone that was never committed or promised to you. Honestly, Laila is better off walking out of this with her head held high, the man didn't want her, that doesn't mean there are not others who might not appreciate her. And yes she yearns more , cause she loves what she got...what about Rudra..does he yearn more?? Does he want more??...aren't we being unfair to him here.
A mistress doesn't deserve more...don't know about that, but when the cards have been on the table since day one..the priorities and statuses clear...changing the rules in the middle of the game to get what you want...is that fair?? And also if she wanted more than why settle for mistress in the first place, why for eight long years...
And yes carnal satisfaction without feelins...errr...u and me both know that's more common and frequent nowadays than the so called true love.
Why the rage...I just don't get it. Rudra never promised her anything than why the disappointment ?? She feels cheated out of him, but he was never hers. Yes, she feels that way because he said he was not capable of those feelings and he is still not...with her...but there is some one who can make him whole again. Laila couldn't do it...its time to get out of this before its too late for her. One sided love is the most lethal of all.


IT 8 years of It Eve she developed feelings ...if and when he develops feelings for Paro that are more than he can feel for Laila he needs to be upfront about it ...and tell her so (so now this is really premature on both Lailas and our side)

Carnal if you mean one night stands yes but not a continued conjugal relationship for 8 yrs where he did more than just have sex...feeling do develop...

the rage for being used ...boy now i cant explain more ...even women who have been married to gay men have rage when it breaks up...

we also assume that she seduced him may be she was just a nautch girl young one in the same boat as him lost ...and they came together for this ...she feels betrayed...
he is not in a position to explain to her what Paro is and there fore she has misunderstood ...
as where the story stands ...they are moving to make her one more enemy...fair enough...

but I think the defense comes when she is not allowed to feel anything by reducing her to be nothing but a call girl whose duty was to provide sex and whose payment was enjoying it ...

we are going more than just the story and laila here i think...

one cannot write off feelings that easily
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Posted: 11 years ago
#33

Originally posted by: prettypri


True...we have to keep in mind that Laila and her actions seem wrong only because Paro is in the picture now!
Rudra knew she had expectations that the relationship would progress and that's why he reiterated so many times that she should not expect anything more but he kept going back!
She is wrong and cannot ask questions because she threatened Paro? She doesn't know the reality does she...she thinks it's status quo and suddenly sees Rudra marrying someone he claims to hate!
She asked him why he was marrying her...twice!

In fact as you say this move to make her threaten to take Paros life is a sure fire way to make her totally evil!
Wonder why they need her really!

Rudra can fall in love after a purely physical relationship and a dead heart for 8 years and with a pure innocent girl but Laila is wrong because she developed feelings after being in the same relationship and with the same guy? Feelings she never bothered to hide!

She is not wrong to develop feelings for the guy...she is wrong to demand that he does not develop feelings for some one else. She is not wrong when she falls in love with him... but her demand that he should fall in love with just her and no one else is wrong. It is wrong in any case and every case...irrespective of an eight year long relationship. You can only demand such loyalties when that kind of a relationship has been promised...which was not the case here.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#34
really well written post
something diffrent
i quite agree with you on this point
but all of us here being the biasness comes anyways
but you do have a valid point
your perspective was really nice and unique

amazing post
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Posted: 11 years ago
#35

Originally posted by: eveline

Again buddies...this is not about her being a dancer or a hooker or whatever her profession be...its all about the clear and honest understanding between a couple..she was not promised anything and so should not be expecting more. If Paro would have been in Rudra's shoes and she be the one to want to get out...then Rudra would have happily let her go. And that exactly was the understanding between them.


Eve my answer was to the above terms that were provided to Laila..

I get you they were in a mutual relationship that had no marriage in it ...he has seen another woman , she has seen him look at the other woman with more passion than he looked at her with, she knows its coming to an end , but he will not admit to it (cos he is not aware of it may be)...but she thinks he is cos he is marrying her...

now the question is Laila is hurt ...badly so ...(try sleeping with a man for 8 yrs ...and have him walk away)...and its just not the sleeping its the friendship companionship et al...
she feels let down and its a justification not the glorification of that...

by labeling her the vamp you negate her of all that ...many of the discussions have been the convenience of this type of story telling...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ttt1

true tangy , but i have an issue with 'this category of women' word
okay i will step the boundary here , we have fan clubs for dancers here and categorize characters

we cant even accept a dancer accepting a prostitute is far off and we categorize here, havnt watched today's episode , but laila's character except that she is not the lead doesnt have any flaw just based on physical relationship putting her into some category i feel is wrong

i dont have a issue if rudra doesnt fall for laila, love is not something that can be reciprocated to all in the same intensity , my issue is why is it she doesnt even deserve a explanation or sympathy

Let me get this straight here...I have never and will never say that she doesn't deserve any explanation or sympathy coz she is a pro or a dancer...heck no!!! That's disgusting...that's all wrong. Every woman deserves dignity...every human actually has a right to respect..so lets not take this discussion at a human rights or women rights tangent please 😊.
What I am trying to say here is...she is getting exactly what they agreed on. This was the deal, the mutual understanding of this relationship..then why the hue and cry about being cheated out of something that was never hers. She has every right to fall in love with the guy...but she doesn't have the right to stop him from falling for or committing to another woman.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#37

Originally posted by: CravingKhana


IT 8 years of It Eve she developed feelings ...if and when he develops feelings for Paro that are more than he can feel for Laila he needs to be upfront about it ...and tell her so (so now this is really premature on both Lailas and our side)

Carnal if you mean one night stands yes but not a continued conjugal relationship for 8 yrs where he did more than just have sex...feeling do develop...

the rage for being used ...boy now i cant explain more ...even women who have been married to gay men have rage when it breaks up...

we also assume that she seduced him may be she was just a nautch girl young one in the same boat as him lost ...and they came together for this ...she feels betrayed...
he is not in a position to explain to her what Paro is and there fore she has misunderstood ...
as where the story stands ...they are moving to make her one more enemy...fair enough...

but I think the defense comes when she is not allowed to feel anything by reducing her to be nothing but a call girl whose duty was to provide sex and whose payment was enjoying it ...

we are going more than just the story and laila here i think...

one cannot write off feelings that easily

Yes, she has developed feelings for him. And for a woman its not unnatural. For us emotional beings it can be natural progression but expecting the same from another individual, in a case where the lines were clearly drawn...just seems to me self delusional to some point. She is in love...great..she has all rights to do so...but asking him to love her back or not to love another person...she simply doest have that right. And it might seem unfair today but heck that is what this was all about for eight long years.
Married women's rage is a totally different matter tangy sa...here there was no commitment, no promises, no right to loyalties, no promises to remain faithful through sickness and health. And that's my point...Rudra never committed...Laila never did...they never wanted to. Now she wants ..fine but that does to give her the right to expect the same from the man.
Again this is being led off on a totally different direction. I have not mentioned her being a call girl or any other derogatory remark about her profession is not the case here. Its not because of all that crap about payment for sex...its about two people..their mutual understanding of a relationship and then one wants more and the other doesn't..simple.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#38

Originally posted by: eveline

Let me get this straight here...I have never and will never say that she doesn't deserve any explanation or sympathy coz she is a pro or a dancer...heck no!!! That's disgusting...that's all wrong. Every woman deserves dignity...every human actually has a right to respect..so lets not take this discussion at a human rights or women rights tangent please 😊.

What I am trying to say here is...she is getting exactly what they agreed on. This was the deal, the mutual understanding of this relationship..then why the hue and cry about being cheated out of something that was never hers. She has every right to fall in love with the guy...but she doesn't have the right to stop him from falling for or committing to another woman.



I agree she has no right to stop him.

but @ bold,,,she is not getting exactly what they agreed on nor he is getting exactly what they agreed on 8 years ago. She fell in love and told him, heck im sure physically their relationship changed too because it. So that means the original terms have been changed and both parties are well aware of it. So she put her case forward, he evaluated it and then came back for more. So what does that mean? Is the original agreement still valid or has it changed? It changed . The terms agreed to 8 years ago dont hold anymore and Rudra is well aware of it and did nothing and would have continued to be loyal to Laila had Paro not arrived on the scene. So thats why he owes an explanation. If not he should have walked when Laila redifined the 'terms' so to speak.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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bol diya?? feeling a bit lighthearted?? I am back in the forum after a long time, so have no idea about the discussions going on, but here is my take -

Rudra's point of view - He had a physical relationship with her for 8 years and made it very clear to her that he was not capable of giving anything more. Fair enough. He has been honest thru it all. I personally feel that though there has been no promises made, a companionship of sort has developed between the two.

Laila's point of view - She has always wanted more, but has settled for this arrangement because she knew that he is incapable of giving anything more. As with rudra, she has also developed a bond of companionship thru the 8 years. So, I think it is only human to feel regret, jealousy ( and therefore anger) because she can see it all slipping away. These emotions do get invoked in spite of him nor promising her anything.

As to your question - do I feel bad for Laila. To be very honest, I almost dozed off on Friday while watching the episode. I have been too busy in my life, and barely have time to catch up on the soap. So when I first saw Laila's reaction, my immediate reaction was "uff finally...there will be some action...":)

and yeah, I am sure they are going to turn her into a full fledged vamp, but I so wish that they actually didn't go that far with her. It would be so interesting to see the feelings of a "jilted lover" (when no promises were made), how her life gets intermingled with Rudra and paro's life. Human emotions are complex, and so much more can be shown when they don't paint someone totally black!



Edited by bidz - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi dear...how are you?
Eve...all I can say Rudra did mention twice to Laila that it doesn't seem what it looks like...I didn't like the part where he carried her and laid her on his bed...it irked me...I fast forwarded the part😆...I don't remember him doing that with Paro...honestly...for me to enjoy Parud scenes this Laila/ Rudra bed scenes need to stop. It's getting extremely distasteful.

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