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Vistaa

@Vistaa

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Posted: 11 years ago

#111

Originally posted by: princessunara

As i said that i probably didn't write it clearly enough in my original post.. it was simply the fact that the one rare time they were portraying Paro's side of it they superimposed Rudra's over it and i simply didn't connect cz i was annoyed.

And I am not the only one, and u will see that quite a many shared that about yesterday's scene. They could have intermingled Paro's memories of Thakurainsa with Rudra's memories of his mom at that time and it would have worked way better instead of making it seem as hers was abruptly brushed to the side as if it was utterly unimportant in front of his pain.

its not that i am asking to reduce his as such. but telling if hers is reduced reduce his too OR give both the due justified space.

Once again i don't think i wrote it well.. i was too annoyed with the way the scenes were connected n vented out without taking any times to tone it down.

No surprise then your original post received the kind of response that it did?😊

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Sunara

@princessunara

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Posted: 11 years ago

#112

Originally posted by: Vistaa

No surprise then your original post received the kind of response that it did?😊

yup.. have tried since then to explain.. but i doubt any1 actually bothered to read the replies!

sigh.. reminds me of someone saying 'jab aap ghusa hote toh dimag lagana band kar deti hai' applies very well to me!!

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DiyaS

@DiyaS

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Posted: 11 years ago

#113

Originally posted by: msin
See when a person dies.. Especially a parent or spouse...you grieve.. You fight but have to accept it as gods will... U fight with god and try to get closure.. You know the person is gone..
But when a person leaves you u know he's here somewhere... But has left you it is difficult to get closure..

A parent who's child is kidnapped or is lost somewhere faces deeper agony.. Than a parent who knows child is dead.. .. Paros pain or insecurity is no where lesser than rudra but she knows her parents cannot come back her husband is gone she will not see him again..
Rudra knows his mother is somewhere.. Maybe she's happy .. One day he will see her with a new family kids... The agony torment is more the pain maybe same for rudra paro..

Quoting you because too many people have said similar things ... this is a general reply 😉

Paro lost her parents when she was young .. fifteen years ago. Death in an accident is as cruel as any other death, loss or betrayal, because it is UNTIMELY ... it is UNFAIR ... you do NOT accept it calmly because it is not a natural death. Paro seemed to accept it on the surface because she had a loving foster family to help her, but she did NOT get over it completely ... as seen in her frequent nightmares about the BSD and her parents' death. To belittle her trauma by saying it was God's will and she should get over it is as wrong as saying Rudra has had fifteen years to get over his mother's betrayal and he should get over it. An accident is not God's will ... it is a tragic mistake committed by someone for which someone else pays, in this case, paro.

She was lucky, she had a beautiful loving foster family and the loving hand of the Thakurain, the protection of the Thakur of the village, over her head, who is like God to the villagers.

BUT SHE HAS LOST ALL THAT AGAIN.

A SECOND loss .. again unnatural ... not by death, but by deceit ... yes, her parents are gone, her husband is gone, but she is not grieving for them ... She is grieving for her maami, her Thakurain maasa, the two people she loves, who love her ... she knows they are out there somewhere, grieving for her ... how is her pain at their loss any less than Rudra's in this instance? Worse, maybe ... because she knows they think she is dead and will be grieving at her death ... and she cannot go to reassure them that she is alive.

And she is completely ALONE in this house ... she cannot express her feelings to anyone.

The problem the TM expressed, and I concur with ... is not showing Rudra's loss ... although I do feel that by repeatedly showing his tears, they are diluting their impact ... the problem is more that the makers are not keeping a balance and ignoring Paro's pain. Last night, they started the episode on the right note, showing her tears ... how completely alone she is ... and then switched to Rudra's flashback. It would have made much more impact if they had showed two concurrent flashbacks ... both Rudra and Paro in happier times with the Thakurian ... how the same song brings forth two different reactions ... it comforts Paro, but it torments Rudra. Showing the difference in their characters ... hers is positive, strong ... his is negative, weak ... she looks for the good in every situation, he only remembers the bad. She draws strength ... he lets it weaken him.

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meeyaa

@meeyaa

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Posted: 11 years ago

#114

Excellent post...

all the soaps are based on the fact that a man needs a woman to heal him...he is inherently weak and beastly until he is tamed by a woman...

this regressive crap gives the audience a false sense of satisfaction about the pedestal in which woman are placed as healers, lovers...

in fact, its all jhooti taarif with the hidden intention to keep them submissive !

lets see one maker come up with a story line where a good man bails out a fallen lady and loves her unconditionally (like Pretty woman)...even ladies will not accept the story here...sad state...

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prettypri

@prettypri

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Posted: 11 years ago

#115

Originally posted by: princessunara

comparison of portrayal.
If hers is portrayed less, match it with his n make both less. OR get both high that is all!

Ok...that's fair but I guess when you word it as his should have been much much less it doesn't come off like that ...to be honest...i understood it as his pain should have received less attention and hers more because if all the reasons that you have listed!

Sorry if I misunderstood!

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prettypri

@prettypri

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Posted: 11 years ago

#116

Originally posted by: meeyaa
Excellent post...
all the soaps are based on the fact that a man needs a woman to heal him...he is inherently weak and beastly until he is tamed by a woman...

this regressive crap gives the audience a false sense of satisfaction about the pedestal in which woman are placed as healers, lovers...

in fact, its all jhooti taarif with the hidden intention to keep them submissive !

lets see one maker come up with a story line where a good man bails out a fallen lady and loves her unconditionally (like Pretty woman)...even ladies will not accept the story here...sad state...

@bold...so true!

The issue is that of late all soaps portray the leading lady as this strong perfect person who is the only one to stand up for any injustice forgetting her own issues and who takes on the might of the leading man and his family and his arrogance singlehandedly!

Now in such a scenario the hero HAS to be flawed so they can show how she suffers at his hands and still remains upright and never does anything wrong but ultimately changes him and everyone around him so much by her love that they are unrecognisable and they become puppets in her hand!

Watch such shows in the beginning and after say 1.5 years and you will wonder if the story changed or the show is different!

There have been heroines who are not so perfect and whose lives have been bettered by the men in their lives but there there also the girl can be weak but not evil!

The story line that you say will not be accepted...fallen woman and being loved by a man...in this show itself Laila is hated so much...why...she has been a friend and companion to Rudra in the context of the story but as soon as Paro entered the picture Laila is seen as the villain! So there you have it!

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Barunz4ever

@Barunz4ever

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Posted: 11 years ago

#117

In RR Rudras past is more agonising n painful . He knows he has a maa who is alive but has left him, her only son for somebody more important. He doesn't remember his maa for need or warmth but he remembers her from the pain n sufferings he had to go through n still goes through ( remember the song scene . How he doesn't wish to hear the song as it brings bad memories of his Maa back)

So he cannot be called a mammas boy . But his past n societies mouth bickering have made his memories painful n till today these memories haunt him making him emotionally imbalanced n hence they have to show this that though He is rough outside but from inside he is broken n shattered soul.

Whereas Paro must have had good memories of their family together . Except the one where her parents r been shot by BSD . No memories that she has to be ashamed of in society n that still haunt her ( except the fear of BSD) . She still cherishes the lovely moments with her family n has always had her Mamisas love , warmth n support in everything . That makes her more stable n strong individual emotionally . Hence they show a strong headed women who doesn't cry over her past but is helpless over her present n future more...

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dmg2c

@dmg2c

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Posted: 11 years ago

#118

the explanation is simple. paro had a loving family to take her in. she lost her parents, they didnt abandon her. she has seen pain, but also positivity and love. rudra, on the other hand, was abandoned without explanation. its not easy to deal with. on top of that, he grew up with a dad who never got over the incident with its heartache, pain, humiliation and anger. his dad could never forget and didnt allow him to forget. he not only suffered his mother's abandonment and separation, but also a dark, lonely, miserable, painful and traumatic childhood with his dad who wasnt an easy person to grow up with. there is immense anger. and then of course, there is their individual personalities.

paro has pain but not hurt. she didnt need to wait 15 years without closure or answers to her questions. rudra still has no idea why his mom left him. to him , even the good times he spent with her seem to be false now.

and as for your example, the lady seems to be a brave girl. kudos to her. not everyone is the same. people internalize their pain in different ways. i know a woman who is 45 years old, and she is fighting her father in court who abandoned her and the anger is just bursting out every second.

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dmg2c

@dmg2c

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Posted: 11 years ago

#119

paro has bad dreams, so its not as if she is rid of her past. he has anger. each to his own.

thats why

yeh bhi hai kuchh aadha aadha

woh bhi hai adhuri

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deep0909

@deep0909

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Posted: 11 years ago

#120

Very good analysis by you princess. I actually hadn't thought of it that way. Paro always comes across as sorted and dealing with the things that come her way in life. Rudra seems stuck back in that moment and not dealt with it.

But I agree with you as a viewer I do feel like "oh get over it...its been 15 years already". But for Rudra this is the life he knows and he hasn't crossed that moment. And so it just plays out all the time in his life.

They could focus more on Paro and how she deals with her struggles too...

Thanks for making a very valid insight

deep