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Sunara

@princessunara

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Posted: 11 years ago

#101

Originally posted by: gangaprakash38
I think princess you are correct. It went a lil' OTT... Its alright if it is once in a while ...

The two occasions before are ...

1. The first one he actually just came back after losing his men and had to face families of those men who lost their lives... it felt real... you could connect with the character.
2. The second time when he had a confrontation with Paro after he was given a notice of 4 days before he would be court marshaled...I could again connect...

but today... it did not connect. I could not sympathize or empathize with character today.

For a moment, I honestly thought the director had mixed up Ashish and Sanaya's scenes!

EXACTLY!! thank you!

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Sunara

@princessunara

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Posted: 11 years ago

#102

Originally posted by: tvbuf
Yes, beware of mama's boys as a wife. 😕

But will you like them as a mother 😛 I know i will 😆

nah lol.. not at the extent of my son's good life! cz parents r left behind and children need to make their own nests like nature intended.. there is a fine line b/w the 2..

Having a kid brother who is attached like glue to mom and a mom who has already spoken about never sharing a home with him when he gets married as it would be unfair to that young girl who will come to the family, and thus my brother wouldn't eventually be happy. (it once again came to his happiness from mom's POV)

So I am a little different in my opinion.😆

n we r digressing from the topic! 😆

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Alpenliebe

@Alpenliebe

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Posted: 11 years ago

#103

Sunara, I havnt seen the epi yet, so cant comment on that. But what I m seeing, they are ignoring Paro,s pain since 2 3 weeks, which isnt good fr show,s health. Views from both leads side shud be balanced, to make the show appealing. If its one sided, then some can connect n some cant! Both Rudra n Paro's pain are different. After her parents demise, Paro gt support , love n care frm quite a few ppl, which taught her to live life fully, n might helped her a bit to ease her pain, but that doesnt mean that her pain is gone completely n the recent events, where there is no fault of hers yet she is suffering. Isnt that a kind of trauma. For a sane person, this situation is enof to breakdown. i think this side of Paro is completely ignored in the show.

Well, Rudra's case is different. After his mother eloped, he, instead of solace gt taunts frm every one, including his chachi n brothers. N the rest was done by his father, who did nothing, but poisoned his young son's mind. So in return its natural fr him to turn this bitter n sour n a dark, lonely soul, with no one to comfort. I think the cvs have done a good job in showing Rudra's agony.

But as I said, balance frm both side is needed. Cvs shud show a bit more frm Paro's side.

@Sukhminder-- dear we know that u r a huge Ashish fan. But have you seen any biasedNess here. We whole heartedly support Ashu as he is a tremendous actor. N Sunara has always defended Rudra, if u recall. This type of thinking is unhealthy fr forum's unity. No one ever pointed out any thing about Ashish, so why do u think so! We love him as much u love him. Its only abiut the cvs who are some times failing to show Paro's pov. Its nt at all about Ashish honey! Chill n enjoy this forum n discussions dear. We love both Sanaya n Ashish as ParUd!

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prettypri

@prettypri

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Posted: 11 years ago

#104

the issue here is they exaggerate his side when it should have been MUCH MUCH less!! and ignore hers almost completely!
Today was one rare scene they started off with for Paro.. and 2 days back a tiny bit of flashbacks of her other wedding day.. I mean if they want to exaggerate why not do both.. so i am actually feeling kinda ridiculous rather than empathy/sympathy as i should be feeling for him!

When you say here his side should have been much much less what do you mean.. The portrayal should be less?

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Vistaa

@Vistaa

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Posted: 11 years ago

#105

Very interesting topic and discussion!

I, and a few others have been bemoaning the lack of any reflections/crying bouts/internal monologues for Paro for quite a while now. The number of times they have shown her side of the story can be counted on fingers of one hand...all her character development/narrative has been through the members of Ranawat clan, with nary a passing reference to the life that has been so cruelly snatched away from her, for no fault of her own. Ever since Rudr brought her to the haveli, there has been just that one instance of her reminiscing about her old life...when Rukmani came visiting. No remembrance of Bindi, no thinking about Nandini, MamiSa, Varun...nothing. So yes, this point is very well taken.

That said, Rudr's pain in today's episode did not appear over the top to me. Specially since it followed one of the few times they showed Paro in isolation, dealing with her pain in a manner prescribed by her own loved one-Thakurainsa. He is an unstable character, prone to extreme emotions, and reacts to most things quite instinctively, and unthinkingly. So his tears did not seem out of place at all.

Also, the blue and red are mutually contradictory. You have compared the characters' pain, not that I think there is anything wrong with that. 😊 They are both deeply traumatized characters, and for the story to be balanced, both of them should get even treatment.

Originally posted by: princessunara

And well this Indian show portrayal of men crying as if the world ended right now due to something that happened 10-15 yrs back is ridiculous! I mean sure u feel sad.. u always are bitter. But for gods sake u r a damn adult now!
I am not belittling the pain, just this stupid portrayal in Indian soaps and milking sympathy for that is utter rubbish! I mean with the way these men bawl 'maaa' and go to flashback making it seem as if it happened yesterday! When in actuality the pain and suffering of the female leads r current. RIGHT now!
Not to forget that in almost all the instances i have watched the female lead has been dealt with a much more cruel complete loss in comparison in childhood too! But their pain and suffering, that loss nothing is given importance and we women too completely feel oh so sad for the crying man!

I mean.. his mom left him to elope with another man (as far as he knows) and his bitter father brought him up, who apparently removed him as soon as possible from the vitriolic environment.. it might not have been a perfect life..

Now compare it to Paro! Lost both parents.. And at a much younger age. (they clarified the ages she was 6 when she suffered the loss n he was abt 10-13 i think) She might have been brought up among love, but she always knew that she was an orphan.. knew she couldn't change the designs of the house without taking permission cz she knew that for all the love, she was living on charity.. she always yearned to belong to someone cz she always FELT she didn't belong!
Now wherein the guy had his own father! he never felt like a charity case.

I AM talking of the script and screenplay and NOT comparing character misery. cz characters misery cannot be compared! This is about the screenplay n the writing of the show!

So read it again and respond to what is written and not to what u think its about!

Edited by Vistaa - 11 years ago

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Sunara

@princessunara

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Posted: 11 years ago

#106

Originally posted by: prettypri

the issue here is they exaggerate his side when it should have been MUCH MUCH less!! and ignore hers almost completely!
Today was one rare scene they started off with for Paro.. and 2 days back a tiny bit of flashbacks of her other wedding day.. I mean if they want to exaggerate why not do both.. so i am actually feeling kinda ridiculous rather than empathy/sympathy as i should be feeling for him!

When you say here his side should have been much much less what do you mean.. The portrayal should be less?

comparison of portrayal.

If hers is portrayed less, match it with his n make both less. OR get both high that is all!

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710617

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Posted: 11 years ago

#107

See when a person dies.. Especially a parent or spouse...you grieve.. You fight but have to accept it as gods will... U fight with god and try to get closure.. You know the person is gone..

But when a person leaves you u know he's here somewhere... But has left you it is difficult to get closure..

A parent who's child is kidnapped or is lost somewhere faces deeper agony.. Than a parent who knows child is dead.. .. Paros pain or insecurity is no where lesser than rudra but she knows her parents cannot come back her husband is gone she will not see him again..

Rudra knows his mother is somewhere.. Maybe she's happy .. One day he will see her with a new family kids... The agony torment is more the pain maybe same for rudra paro..

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Sunara

@princessunara

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Posted: 11 years ago

#108

Originally posted by: Vistaa
Very interesting topic and discussion!

I, and a few others have been bemoaning the lack of any reflections/crying bouts/internal monologues for Paro for quite a while now. The number of times they have shown her side of the story can be counted on fingers of one hand...all her character development/narrative has been through the members of Ranawat clan, with nary a passing reference to the life that has been so cruelly snatched away from her, for no fault of her own. Ever since Rudr brought her to the haveli, there has been just that one instance of her reminiscing about her old life...when Rukmani came visiting. No remembrance of Bindi, no thinking about Nandini, MamiSa, Varun...nothing. So yes, this point is very well taken.

That said, Rudr's pain in today's episode did not appear over the top to me. Specially since it followed one of the few times they showed Paro in isolation, dealing with her pain in a manner prescribed by her own loved one-Thakurainsa. He is an unstable character, prone to extreme emotions, and reacts to most things quite instinctively, and unthinkingly. So his tears did not seem out of place at all.

Also, the blue and red are mutually contradictory. You have compared the characters' pain, not that I think there is anything wrong with that. 😊 They are both deeply traumatized characters, and for the story to be balanced, both of them should get even treatment.

As i said that i probably didn't write it clearly enough in my original post.. it was simply the fact that the one rare time they were portraying Paro's side of it they superimposed Rudra's over it and i simply didn't connect cz i was annoyed.

And I am not the only one, and u will see that quite a many shared that about yesterday's scene. They could have intermingled Paro's memories of Thakurainsa with Rudra's memories of his mom at that time and it would have worked way better instead of making it seem as hers was abruptly brushed to the side as if it was utterly unimportant in front of his pain.

its not that i am asking to reduce his as such. but telling if hers is reduced reduce his too OR give both the due justified space.

Once again i don't think i wrote it well.. i was too annoyed with the way the scenes were connected n vented out without taking any times to tone it down.

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BillyJean.

@BillyJean.

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Posted: 11 years ago

#109

Originally posted by: msin
See when a person dies.. Especially a parent or spouse...you grieve.. You fight but have to accept it as gods will... U fight with god and try to get closure.. You know the person is gone..
But when a person leaves you u know he's here somewhere... But has left you it is difficult to get closure..
A parent who's child is kidnapped or is lost somewhere faces deeper agony.. Than a parent who knows child is dead.. .. Paros pain or insecurity is no where lesser than rudra but she knows her parents cannot come back her husband is gone she will not see him again..
Rudra knows his mother is somewhere.. Maybe she's happy .. One day he will see her with a new family kids... The agony torment is more the pain maybe same for rudra paro..

Agree, but it's not so much a comparison of their childhood trauma, as much as it is about her current tragedy is being neglected totally. Today's bangle scene was her current trauma of being widowed & forced into this marriage, that got a little sidelined when CVs shut off Paro's scene and gave space to Rudra's past. It's the screenplay that took away the impact.

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Sunara

@princessunara

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Posted: 11 years ago

#110

Originally posted by: msin
See when a person dies.. Especially a parent or spouse...you grieve.. You fight but have to accept it as gods will... U fight with god and try to get closure.. You know the person is gone..
But when a person leaves you u know he's here somewhere... But has left you it is difficult to get closure..

A parent who's child is kidnapped or is lost somewhere faces deeper agony.. Than a parent who knows child is dead.. .. Paros pain or insecurity is no where lesser than rudra but she knows her parents cannot come back her husband is gone she will not see him again..
Rudra knows his mother is somewhere.. Maybe she's happy .. One day he will see her with a new family kids... The agony torment is more the pain maybe same for rudra paro..

yaar am not talking abt that! its about them not showing one side of the story and giving too many scenes in comparison to the other side. i am asking for a balance.

i probably didn't write it well. but that was what i meant to ask..

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