'You don't need to wear a patch on your arm to have honor.' - Page 4

An interesting question that...Honor according to me is subjective. Just like truth has different individual versions...each has its own, so does honor. It differs from individual to individual and also from circumstance to circumstance. In the eyes of a terrorist killing hundreds of innocent souls in the name of a cause can be the highest honor, while in the eyes of a mother her child's success, her pinnacle. If honor were not interpreted so differently, we would not have such horrific crimes in the name of honor...and the phrase honor killings would not have found a place in the indian dictionary. If honor be judged and measure by just one scale, for one and all, it would be unfair. For the law enforcer, who has to open fire to stem riots, an innocent bystander might be collateral damage in his line of duty, so does that mean that his actions were not honorable. Similarly in a war, a soldier kills indiscriminately on the front, irrespective of the fact that he has no personal agenda...is that honorable?? Or if a common man lies to save his job, is that honorable?? Again what is fine in ones eyes, can be utterly unjust in another's depends which end you are on.

Originally posted by: Semanti

Ok, so I quote A Few Good Men all over the place. But it has a lot of feelz, so bear with me.

Today's question is-- Is Rudra Pratap Ranawat an honourable man?

I say that it's rather questionable.

Would an honourable man-- an honourable officer-- hold a defenseless young woman captive despite having NO concrete evidence against her?

Would an honourable man consider his prejudice against beautiful women adequate evidence to stand as judge, jury, and executioner over someone?

Would an honourable man continue threatening said witness with all manner of intimidation-- psychological, physical, and sexual and outright blackmail, in order to make her 'confess'-- to the point where she's ready to confess to whatever he was asking of her, irrespective of whether she did it or not?

Would an honourable man do all manner of dishonourable deeds to retain his uniform-- because it is a badge of honour?

I don't want to know about what happens in the asli duniya, on real borders. I want to know about what YOU think.

Is Rudra 'honourable'? And if he is not, how important is 'honour'? Is it overrated? Is it paramount? Or is it something that all of us pay lip service to, while secretly disregarding?

Originally posted by: princessunara

On a serious note, well i am actually confused. cz he TRULY believes she IS GUILTY! We know she is not, but imagine IF SHE WAS actually guilty, would we be asking this question?

example - if the situation was such that there were security cameras that recorded everything and Rudra had all the proof he needed to prove that the bharatis were terrorists. And if everything else happened the same way and Paro was taken in to custody then NOTHING she says will ever get her freedom. She CANNOT prove she is innocent in this situation.
No court or judge will believe her, hell she won't even get to see a court or judge as terrorism is dealt differently. She doesn't have any rights either.. This is not India specific, world over its the same treatment..

Do innocents get ill treated unfairly? = YES
But do real terrorists also get the deserving treatment = yes

So this is a subjective opnion. There is no correct answer as far as i see..

AND another thing. Rudra is NOT going to lose an uniform only. He is going to be court marshaled. Do u know what that entails? Sever physical punishment too along with military jail term. And for what? for doing his duty to the country.

And i honestly don't believe he is doing this to keep a job or an uniform., Its to prove that those soldiers who died did not die in vain..

Originally posted by: eveline

An interesting question that...Honor according to me is subjective. Just like truth has different individual versions...each has its own, so does honor. It differs from individual to individual and also from circumstance to circumstance. In the eyes of a terrorist killing hundreds of innocent souls in the name of a cause can be the highest honor, while in the eyes of a mother her child's success, her pinnacle. If honor were not interpreted so differently, we would not have such horrific crimes in the name of honor...and the phrase honor killings would not have found a place in the indian dictionary. If honor be judged and measure by just one scale, for one and all, it would be unfair. For the law enforcer, who has to open fire to stem riots, an innocent bystander might be collateral damage in his line of duty, so does that mean that his actions were not honorable. Similarly in a war, a soldier kills indiscriminately on the front, irrespective of the fact that he has no personal agenda...is that honorable?? Or if a common man lies to save his job, is that honorable?? Again what is fine in ones eyes, can be utterly unjust in another's depends which end you are on.

Your conscience is the best judge...not the world around you.

Originally posted by: Exprimere

Okay. She needs saving FROM bhole nath. Devi Maiyya a safe bet?

Originally posted by: Exprimere

Arrey-re! Again injecting logic?

See. Morality is a skewed concept. Everyone has their own definitions. But the problem is when someone expects sacrifice to be morality. That is ALL that matters when it comes to the "desh ki shaan" logic.

Shaheed is overrated because the lives that are lost over war are lost forever.

This is exactly what those war poets used to say.

As for Paro: I personally don't see tyranny as "honour". I see it as power. All that Ruddy is doing is plain power politics.

Sadly, power is directly linked with masculinity. And Ruddy has to be the macho character.

What Maithili said in today's episode: that Men beat, real men protect. That was a facepalm moment. Should I be thankful that I don't get slapped? Or that I "feel" protected? I dunno... it is depressing.

Now before people go dekhna-hai-toh-dekho on me, I'll just leave you with this: really, Ruddy isn't honourable. On screen- he's the equivalent of poetic justice in the daily soap world.

Originally posted by: CravingKhana

I will make my disclaimer here cos Tho Sem asked a SKD kostin its hard not to trapeze inot asli with it ...and i agree with the first part of your comment re what If Paro was not innocent and to his defense he still does not know...

Court martial does not always entail that ...it is a summons to the military court and there on in it is a trial based on the military code and we believe that justice (like civilian courts) will be delivered. THere in depending on the verdict the punishment will also be accordingly delivered..which may not entail jail time ...or even stripping of unifrorm..

and along with this you do raise a good question ...we do want our soldiers to protect us ...we dont always want to know how...but then we also stand moral judgement over them...

Originally posted by: Semanti

Yaaraz, on-screen he is the equivalent of a Hindu God. 😆

Another kostin-- why don't Hindu gods get as much publicity as Greek ones ya? Have you all SEEN the Life OK Mahadev?

Originally posted by: Exprimere

BUT THEY DO! I've seen fangirls go crazy over him! In college, he once came for an event. And I was scandalized at the screech-fest for a God-playing guy!

Also, have you seen Maha-India mytho show? The men wear little clothes, more make up. Female gods wear lesser clothes, and even more make up.

If they can sexualize stuff like this, we are asking for a chotu-motu consummashun!