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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: prettypri


Well...regarding concessions for fiction...in real life in my opinion a character like Rudra would not have any positivity or decency as has been shown...I do t think with his kind of issues he could be even as gentle or caring as he has been occasionally shown...total black js what I would expect!
So concession for the negative aspects would also be more I guess!


Oh, I don't believe ANYONE is completely evil. Even the ones we'd consider to be the epitome of human evil love some people, care about somethings.

Another interesting thing is that we always paint evil with 'black'. Although there is nothing inherently evil about the colour black. It is all socialization and racial stereotypes that have existed for centuries. And it is so ingrained, that we don't even think about it. There is nothing innately wrong with the darkness, as there is innately positive about the light.

Another favourite-- the Chronicles of Narnia, is one the FEW works that attempts to break this mould with the White Witch-- who was all evil.

Not really a discussion for this thread, but food for thought no? When we call Rudra a 'dark' character?
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Posted: 11 years ago
All's fair in love and war


and this is definitely a war on our country - guns being smuggled in from across the border

The honor this time is for the country, not the individual - the BSD officer

Yes he is blackmailing her but for a POW which she has become, that is the least

No, there is no sexual harrasment here, instead she is specifically being protected from it
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Posted: 11 years ago
Good points Sem, I did not realize from this POV
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: tvbuf

All's fair in love and war


and this is definitely a war on our country - guns being smuggled in from across the border

The honor this time is for the country, not the individual - the BSD officer

Yes he is blackmailing her but for a POW which she has become, that is the least

No, there is no sexual harrasment here, instead she is specifically being protected from it


*sigh*

Paro is NOT a POW. In times of peace, no one is. She isn't even accused directly. Rudra is coercing her to stand WITNESS. Appear for testimony. She is not even being prosecuted!

There has been no sexual harassment YET. And as the audience, we know that there will not be (hopefully). But she doesn't. And he knows that she doesn't know. The sort of physical intimidation he uses on her, could actually well qualify as sexual harassment.
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Posted: 11 years ago
I agree with all what you said in the post.
But unfortunately that's how it works in real as well. It's not just about a female witness being tortured mentally and physically/ sexually.
Terrorists / criminals and a lot of times even innocent people arrested by mistake are tortured to an extent where they would accept their crimes / crimes they haven't even done.
I don't know what's right what's wrong and if an actual terrorist would not admit his/her crime , is it right to torture them that way ? Personally for me I'm all into non- violence even if it's for a criminal / terrorist.
But then how to make them admit / how to protect innocent people ?

The only thing I hate in this show is paro is a female and she should've been investigated by a female officer. Keeping her in a male officer's custody even if she was a criminal for real is wrong.
Edited by aRchiE_frieNds - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
She is a witness in the army. They use all techniques to get the truth out from witnesses. Paro has been spared most of the physical torture here.

Paro was with the terrorists and the arms were found in her suitcase. So, it is very hard for Rudra to believe she does not know anything.
We all know Paro knows nothing and is innocent Rudra or the army doesn't. Its an important factor to consider when looking at this issue.

So, as far as Rudra is considered he is just twisting the arm of his witness nothing more nothing less.

But that said and done I find it hard to accept that despite the proof that baratis opened fire on the army and that many armymen died coz of this the army is trying to get Rudra out from BSD. Instead of just relying on Paro they need to get their spies in the village and get concrete proof about Tejawat. They are not showing that.

There are loopholes coz they want Rudra and Paro married at the end of the day for story to progress is my take!
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Swap-Arhi

She is a witness in the army. They use all techniques to get the truth out from witnesses. Paro has been spared most of the physical torture here.


Paro was with the terrorists and the arms were found in her suitcase. So, it is very hard for Rudra to believe she does not know anything.
We all know Paro knows nothing and is innocent Rudra or the army doesn't. Its an important factor to consider when looking at this issue.

So, as far as Rudra is considered he is just twisting the arm of his witness nothing more nothing less.

But that said and done I find it hard to accept that despite the proof that baratis opened fire on the army and that many armymen died coz of this the army is trying to get Rudra out from BSD. Instead of just relying on Paro they need to get their spies in the village and get concrete proof about Tejawat. They are not showing that.

There are loopholes coz they want Rudra and Paro married at the end of the day for story to progress is my take!


Yes, yes, and yes.

I agree. It isn't the idea behind trying to get her to spill, as it is his tactics. Which are...er...ridiculous. And border heavily on human rights violations (but then that is a messy debate where the armed forces are concerned).

It's just the loopholes that make me question him again and again. If the CVs had managed a tighter plot where they could justify Rudra's extreme actions, I don't think I'd shake my head so much. It's not impossible-- they could have not brought Kesari into the picture, they could have not had Aman survive (or be present), they could have had a fire that destroyed the money and arms at the border itself--lots of things.

But I am aware that looking for logic in a desi soap is a redundant move.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Semanti


Yes, yes, and yes.

I agree. It isn't the idea behind trying to get her to spill, as it is his tactics. Which are...er...ridiculous. And border heavily on human rights violations (but then that is a messy debate where the armed forces are concerned).

It's just the loopholes that make me question him again and again. If the CVs had managed a tighter plot where they could justify Rudra's extreme actions, I don't think I'd shake my head so much. It's not impossible-- they could have not brought Kesari into the picture, they could have not had Aman survive (or be present), they could have had a fire that destroyed the money and arms at the border itself--lots of things.

But I am aware that looking for logic in a desi soap is a redundant move.

Agree they should have had closed the loopholes. They are getting wider by the minute! But I don't think this was all planned for TRP as some feel or there has been change in story suddenly.

It seems the stroyline is planned atleast a month in advance after reading thakuraiyan's recent interview. So I wonder why these factors were not considered.

Why is army just after Paro? What about other facts which led them to attack the baratis. No one is caring about those! Even if she opens her mouth what will she tell and what proof she has? She knows nothing!

Me thinks they might just end the army background soon and return to just love story and hero issues with his mom and heroine issues with hero and family. Phew loved the army background can't believe it is coming to this!

But then searching too much logic in a serial seems to be a waste of time. I've banged my head with many serials and have decided to give my poor head some rest on this one!

I am just going to enjoy the acting and visuals without thinking about logic too much! Lets see how Hegde ends this one! I think the marriage is happening and as per spoilers he is out of BSD. If its just this there is no surprise in it. Fingers crossed the creatives do surprise me as they have so far.
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Posted: 11 years ago
i think its abt a man n a woman regardless of their job..outside world they put a masquerade to show they r honourable..inside we doesnt knw how gud they r...regardless of rudra's power he is jus saving paro in the sake of custody n also get any evidence from if she knew anythng abt her marriage process..he is an egoist n arrogant n she is a dignified woman...so when a wound n egoist ppl clashes with the dignified moral speaking n challenging ppl the symptoms wud be fight,hurt,pain,misunderstanding,shouting etc..since it happens btwn man n woman n since he was weak before gud hearted woman all he cud do is with his physical strength n verbal hurts to win the fight...actually it is dishonourable by using his profession to captive a gal..here he was saving her or hiding her and he is not ready to leave her easily until his job is over..he did threaten her but didnt mishandle her to lose her or his honour..
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Posted: 11 years ago
To be very honest i cannot discuss about the honorable rudra...he loves his job., is he fit to be a BSD officer other than being patriotic...then NO...because he is not this stable strong persona from inside...he is still this adamant kid who lost his childhood and in search of his lost happiness., or doesn't want to search happiness at all because he feels he has lost everything..he is the same traumatized kid with all manly desires...:P😉...
He is not a normal human being...he is so insecure in first place,,,,he is strong physically., but he is very very emotional.,. which i don't think any of the BSD officers would have...first he needs to grow up to become a man., and then we can think if he is honorable or not...for him to grow up., he needs someone's help., which is what he is getting from paro...

they need to develope this character as a really a strong person., i don't think which will ever happen ., because i don't think any director would o in depth of a character as we fans do...they write today for trp., and tomorrow they will agaIn do something more worse for trp's/...becasue as the show progresses the forget WHAT was the real character they wanted to give for this rudra...




somewhere i feel this show is purely made for entertain with no message or with no sensibility...just chill out., relax have some pop corns and enjoy dear...
having said that if they wanted to make sense then this show and the baseline is the most effective tool that they have...bsd ., cross border terrorism., the future of Indian girls who were destitute in our neighbor land for prostitution is all sensitive matters., they could open out more., show more...but !!!!! and hope they think the way we think dear...
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