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Tulsidasji wrote Ramcharit Maanas keeping in mind the mindset of 15th-16th century people. That's why he included things like Chhaya Sita etc. He wrote that Laxman never saw Sita's face but there was no such things in Valmiki Ramayan. While writing his version of Ramayan Tulsidaji kept in mind that mindset of the people of his era.

Originally posted by: rupalip

Sitaji was good but not the best , Ramji n laxmanji performed well. Yeah even i dont like sitaji on ravans shoulder, even Ramji never touched Sitaji in the show and see this ravan , but its ok.

they never showed even a hug of ram-sita😭 but see they showed sitaji on ravan's shoulders 🤢🤢

i didnt like debina's expression at all in this episode...
wen she disovers that the sage is actually ravan,she is not horrified or resistes him strongly but is standing ther still as if she laready knows whats going to happen and is ready to be abducted......
also she should hav cried wen ravan was carrying her and should hav given him a tough time in abductinh herself....
but nothing was shown... 😡 😡

hey guys!! did u notice that debina pronounces "va" for "ba"..
for eg: she pronounces baan (arrow)as vaan and prabandh as pravandh...

Originally posted by: coolpurvi

I FOUND debina more beautiful in the abduction promos ,but i am not happy with debina's expressions these days , can y imagine jatau fell wounded on the floor & sitaji had no expressions on her face ,

i wonder how ravan in reality wud hv lifted sitaji 😭,i mean sagr's shud hv shown tht ravan dragging sitaji by getting caught hold of her wrist tightly n like tht , did not like he put sitaji on his shoulders 😡

iti uktvaa maithiliim vaakyam priya arhaam priya vaadiniim
abhigamya suduSTa aatmaa raakshasaH kaama mohitaH
jagraaha raavaNaH siitaam budhaH khe rohiNiim iva

Aranya kand chapt 49

The evil minded Ravan,who was maddened with lust grabbed Sita just as the planet Budha/mercury holds the (star/nakshatra) RohiNi

read the next verse:

vaamena siitaam padmaakSiim muurdhajeSu kareNa saH
uurvoH tu dakSiNena eva parijagraaha paaNinaa

With his left hand Ravan grabbed Sita's nape (neck, back of her plait) and with right he grabbed her thighs,thus lifting the lotus eyed Sita.
Valmiki Ramayan aranya kand chapt 49 verse 17

Experts comment that Sita might have fainted, because the way Ravan lifts her,as stated above; is easier when somebody is in a sleeping position.

Valmiki's Sita is human so Ravan touched her,nothing happens by mere touching.....If any one is at fault,its the sinner and never the victim. whatever Valmiki has written is true,yet why are people not able to accept bitter truths??
If Sita was touched, against her will,that does not become any sin on her part.

Writers like Kamban also did not like Sita being touched by Ravan thats why in his Ramayan(in Tamil) he makes Ravan cleave the earth itself ,when Sita faints.

I too agree with u nothing happens by mere touching. A woman does not become impure if she is touched forcefully against her will. If it is so then I think no women in this world will be ever able to maintain her purity. Sita was frightened because because Ravan takes his Dashanan -Dasgreev rup. Raavan also holds her hair. Our Sriptures says that holding hairs of a woman to show force causes ruination, destruction of the person doing so. By touching her hairs Raavan invited his death.

I didnt like the concept of Laxman Rekha. there was no laxman Rekha in Valmiki Ramayan. Why it was added by later writers? Its really insulting. Sita never crossed any Laxman rekha or maryada rekha

Yes coolpurvi, Lakshman-rekha never existed in Valmiki's Ramayan but subsequently it came into existence in medieval times when the position of women deteriorated like anything. And for serial makers this is like a some thrilling concept which they use to get attention by making it saucy -even the dialogues like: what Ravan says to Sita, that a woman ,when crosses a line of limit can never get go back unblemished...is so very insulting.😡 why alone for Sita,but for all women.

Coming to her abduction scene, Ravan shows his terrible form,Valmiki states that he looked horrible in his ten headed form and he roared like a thunder also his clothes worn (red and black) looked so horrible that Sita got a mental block -that she didn't realise what was happening untill she got to know that she's being carried away in Pushpak viman,but it was too late.....
Valmiki also states that even the nature was horror struck seeing Sita's abduction-the river Godavari ,which is usually flowing with great rumbling noise was numbingly quiet same goes with the animals and trees,birds even celestial beings watched that unfateful incident helplessly.

Originally posted by: sita11

@ COLPURVI & Nidhz !!!!! oh!! i wrote that way becaz i thought sitaji was goddess lakshmi's avatar ,so ravan cudn't touch her that way ,& as ravan was also cursed by kubare that he cannot touch any woman agains't her wishes .

purvi !! thanks for telling that there was no mention of lakshman rekha in valmiki ramayan ,but as prem sagar himself said that the pure version of valmiki ramayan is not available today in his interviews ,distorted version is available ,so i guess valmiki wud hv mentioned lakshman rekha concept ,might b later edited or what.

but we can also not diapprove the authenticity of RAM CHARIT MANAS by TULSIDAS as TULSIDAS wrote RAMCHARITMANAS under the guidance of HANUMANJI & as lord shiva asked TULSIDAS JI to write valmiki ramayan in awadhi language & lord HANUMAN helped tulsidas ji in writing RAMAYAN as i saw that in the show JAI HANUMAN (when it came on DD1) still this show comes on sony tv .TULSIDASJI himself met LORD RAMA & even HANUMANJI used to sing RAMCHARITMANAS & praised TULSIDASJI for doing a great job.

SO IF TULSIDASJI mentioned LAKSHMAN REKHA in RAMCHARITMANAS then wud be true !!!!

the show JAI HANUMAN which now a days comes on sony tv was made under the guidance of some great ramayan research team ,i don't remember the name of tht person but he is phd in RAMAYAN ,he did great research ,i will let u his name .

in jai hanuman also lakshman rekha was shown,still sita abduction is gonna be shown in jai hanuman & i will def. let u all know how sita abduction is being shown in jai hanuman !!! i think sanjay khan the producer of jai hanuman paid more attention on detailing than these sagar ppl.

by the way yesterday in jai hanuman the story of manthara was shown in which she was cursed by a sage to become a hunch backed woman in her next birth & manthra was a damsel .

the actor who played kaushlaya in ramayan ,was manthara in her apsara form.

About Tulsidas: I am sorry to say that but I doubt whether he himself had any respect for women . He says " Dhol,gavar,shudra,naari-yeh sab tadan ke adhikari" which means A drum,an ignorant, a shudra and a woman are worth being beaten 😡
Some of the Chaupai from Ram charit manas also are not very encouraging since they deteriorate women
As far as Ram charit manas is concerned its masterpiece, drenched in bhakti; he himself is an ardent devotee of Shri Ram so he projects Ram as very Godly even though in human form.

I again say that the concept of 'Lakshman -rekha' is of medieval origin maybe it was applicable in that society but not now or even when Valmiki wrote his Ramayana.

Even though, if we agree such an abstract concept to be true-it should hold true, both for men and women alike and not make it specific to a particular gender only.

I totally agree with u Nidhiz
Prevelent social customs influenced the later writes of Ramayana. Later writers wre infuenced by the social customs n conditions prevelent during their era.

Valmiki was genius having Divine Vision grnated by Lord Brahma, a broad-minded man, a soft hearted man. That's why only he was choosed by destiny to be that firat writer of Ramayana. For him a woman does not become impure if she is touched against her will. Condition of woman worsened mediaval era. People of that era were narrow minded regarding women. that is evident from the various social evils prevelent during that era. That's why writers of that era changed some facts of the original story because social condition was like that

I love the way valmiki portryed Ram, Seeta n other characters. Valmiki's Ram was not a 'PATTHAR KI MURAT'. He had emotions. He was soft hearted yet mighter n braver than all Gods. Valmiki's Ram was a loving doting husband who loved his wife more than his life. He loved his family members more than his life. He was a caring, ideal son and brother, a great ideal king.

I love the way he portrayed Seeta as a strong lady, a lady of strong determination, a great husband devotee, a epitome of beauty,purity n goodness

@ NIDHZ & PURVI !! who knows tulsidasji wrote those lines for women like manthara & all those women who poison the minds & are evil minded.

see tulsidas ji wrote RAMAYAN under the guidance of hanumanji & tulsidasji even met RAM-LAKSHMAN so whatever he wrote was def. authentic , how can he changethe whole ramayan story on his own or can make any changes ???? if he wud hv done tht then i am sure hanumanji wud def. objected to it !!!

as kubare also cursed ravan tht he cannot touch any woman again'st her wish !!! so i doubt ravan lifted sitaji tht way !!!!!

it's ok !!! some ppl beleive in the authenticity of RAM CHARIT MANAS & SOME IN VALMIKI RAMAYAN !!!!

Originally posted by: chillygirl

hey guys!! did u notice that debina pronounces "va" for "ba"..
for eg: she pronounces baan (arrow)as vaan and prabandh as pravandh...

THANKS for telling tht ,from now on wards i will try to point out tht !!

Originally posted by: sita11

@ NIDHZ & PURVI !! who knows tulsidasji wrote those lines for women like manthara & all those women who poison the minds & are evil minded.

see tulsidas ji wrote RAMAYAN under the guidance of hanumanji & tulsidasji even met RAM-LAKSHMAN so whatever he wrote was def. authentic , how can he changethe whole ramayan story on his own or can make any changes ???? if he wud hv done tht then i am sure hanumanji wud def. objected to it !!!

as kubare also cursed ravan tht he cannot touch any woman again'st her wish !!! so i doubt ravan lifted sitaji tht way !!!!!

it's ok !!! some ppl beleive in the authenticity of RAM CHARIT MANAS & SOME IN VALMIKI RAMAYAN !!!!

I have already answered u Tulsidasji Kept in mind that mindset of 15-16th century people while writing his version of Ramayana

Raavan touched her only to abduct her that is clearly evident from the word he uttered before abducting her. he didnt use force but kept baiting her with chief queenhood n other luxaries. but miserably failed to change her mind