Doubts and Discussions from the Ramayan II - Page 65

Originally posted by: Vibhishna

Thank you Ananya.

Even I haven't read this scene described in the books that follow Valmiki Ramayan strictly.

Kamban describe the scene really beautifully but the only difference is that Sita is in the balcony looking out into the garden and playing with her friends and Ram walks past below and they look at each other.

I was watching an animated movie - Pawanputr Hanuman.

In that movie, they showed as if Kumbhkaran before fighting Ram says that he knows Ram is Lord Vishnu himself and as a last request (or wish) he wants his head to fall in the lap of the ocean that had raised him.

Does any version of Ramayan mention this? I haven't read or heard about this before.

No idea, but in the previous Ramayan serial too, they did show his head falling into the ocean. Not sure where they got that from.

In Valmiki, about Kumbhakarna's head, it has

6:67:172 That demon's head, equal in size to a mountain, struck by Rama's arrow, fell down. It broke the buildings on the king's high-way and their gates as also threw down that high rampart.

And here is what fell into the sea - the rest of his body - between neck and waist/legs

6:67:173 Then, that colossal demon of a great splendour fell into the sea. It crushed the principal alligators, beautiful fishes as also snakes and entered the bowels of the earth.

Originally posted by: Vrisha

No idea, but in the previous Ramayan serial too, they did show his head falling into the ocean. Not sure where they got that from.

In Valmiki, about Kumbhakarna's head, it has

6:67:172 That demon's head, equal in size to a mountain, struck by Rama's arrow, fell down. It broke the buildings on the king's high-way and their gates as also threw down that high rampart.

And here is what fell into the sea - the rest of his body - between neck and waist/legs

6:67:173 Then, that colossal demon of a great splendour fell into the sea. It crushed the principal alligators, beautiful fishes as also snakes and entered the bowels of the earth.

Thanks a lot Vrisha 😊

Vrisha congrats on your 2600👍🏼. I have read some where that few tribes of lanka and even in south India worship Ravana as their hero and even there are few temples of Ravana both in lanka and south India. here is description of one of the Ravana temple in Lanka. http://rama-rao-garimella.sulekha.com/blog/post/2007/10/ravan-s-temple.htm I don't know whether they consider Ram as foreign invader. Regarding tribes worshiping Ravana i don't remember where i have read that but one's in this forum i had posted all the details, will try to search it and post it again over here.

Exit question: Who born first Ram or Hanuman. is there any details regarding that, i was just thinking no clue came in mind😆

Originally posted by: Vrisha

Okay, bringing this once Important Topic back to front & center (wonder why the mods unstuck it?)

Here is a bunch of videos from the Sri Lankan Tourism Development Authority (assuming it's them), highlighting Rama's trail in Lanka. It's 5 clips of 10 minutes each, so a grand total of 51 minutes. I've embedded just the first one.

http://www.youtube.com/user/SLTDA
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8JUjRFnL88[/YOUTUBE]
Exit question: Do Sri Lankans of today regard Ravan as the hero whenever they're going over the Ramayan, and look at it as an invasion of their country by a foreign warrior, namely Rama?

Thank you Vrisha Bhaiya. I'll see them all this weekend. There is a book in Tamil by name Raavana Kaaviyam which praises Ravan as an efficient king and a great devotee of Lord Shiva. I think this book speaks of Ravan as a hero. There are versions of Ramayan that say that Ravan wantedly kidnapped Sita so that Ram might come and kill him and numerous folk tales about Ravan. I wish I can get that book along with the Tamil Uttar Kand. I am not able to find these two anywhere.

Vibs

Thanks. Yeah, I've heard of some of those versions. In Valmiki itself, in the Uttarkand, towards the end of the narrative, Rama asks Agastya and other rishis why Ravan chose to abduct Sita when he knew that Rama was capable of killing him. The answer was that he wanted to be killed by Rama. Something I find inexplicable about this explanation is that if that was the case, why didn't he just confront Rama in Panchavati, rather than get into a war that sacrificed Indrajit, Kumbhakarna and a whole bunch of other Rakshasha heros? But it is there in Valmiki - I wonder whether your Griffith translation has it?

Years ago, when we toured S India, in Karnataka, we came across a temple where Ravan was the deity (wish I remember where that was). I too have read of how Ravan is regarded as a hero, but I was curious about how people in Sri Lanka - particularly Sinhalas - regard him. Obviously, since they are Buddhists, Rama has no religious significance, but what I was wondering was that from a historical pov, do they look at this as an invasion of their country by a foreigner that ended tragically for their ruler?

In Nagpur edition of TOI there is an article regarding tribes of Amrawati worships Ravan and meghnaath idols http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2477865.cms. and vrisha your Doubt is right the followers of Ravan considers Ram as invader. I found one of the official site of Sinhalas followers of Ravana. but to my surprise those followers speaks everything in favor of Ravana and against Ram. they say even budha cosider Ravana as hero , they Even call Ram-setu as SriRavana setu and claims it was built by Ravana and not Ram. They consider Valmiki Ramayan as fraud. you must check the site http://sriravana.com

Actually, regarding modern days Sri Lanka, as far as I know Vibhishan is considered a hero and fair king. I've heard paintings of Vibhishan decorate Parliament building or something like that.
Interesting, recently I too was checking Ramayana Tours website...
Here http://www.tourslanka.com/ramayana-sri-lanka/kelaniya-temple.php