Doubts and Discussions from the Ramayan II - Page 34

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

Today's episode was reminiscent of the Bal-kand and Aranya-kand episodes, when first Mareech/Subahu and later Khar/Dushan's rakshashas would disrupt rishi yagnas. Today's shot of Lavanasura personally assaulting the rishis was a pre-cap that they had shown when Lavanasura, at the behest of Karkatiti, decided to start persecuting rishis. Flashbacks of the older days, except that this time, Rama and Lakshman don't have to do anything - it's Shatrughan's moment of glory.👏

But one thing I didn't get was the rishis being hostile to Rama and attacking him for these assaults happening within his kingdom. They weren't - Lavanasura was doing all that within his own territory, and Rishi Chyavan went to Rama to ask him to intervene, which Rama had no problems doing. I agree w/ what Rama did, but it's inaccurate to imply that what Lavanasura was doing was persecuting rishis in Ayodhya, when he was only doing that to rishis in Madhupura.🤔

Also, in the pre-cap, they show Rama asking Shatrughan to stop at Valmiki's ashram, and Sita freezing on hearing that Shatrughan was on his way there. As far as the original goes, this was accurate, since Shatrughan was the one who played the father's role in the naming ceremony of K-L, but I wonder what the purpose is of showing him stopping at Valmiki's now, given that that role is no longer there. Also, why would Sita be shocked 😲- is it the expectation that nobody from her family should have any idea as to where she was? 🤔 Besides, in the original, she did meet Shatrughan at the ashram when he visited.

This part of the story - I don't like the twist.👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼

Exit question: once Shatrughan became the ruler of Mathura, who would have been the guru to his sons? Rishi Chyavan?

One thing about the guru business - Valmiki was not, afaik, versed in the martial knowledge, and did not impart that to K-L. After all, Rama was 15 or so when he learnt all that from Vishwamitra, while K-L were 12 when they were united w/ Rama. So while they may have learnt the Ramayan and other primary knowledge from Valmiki, I think it's perfectly likely that once they moved to Ayodhya, Vaishistha took over from there - it's not like they were graduates when Rama accepted them. In fact, K-L too may have learnt warfare from Vashishtha, not Valmiki

In last night's episode, they showed Valmiki blessing them with the knowledge to be able to destroy rakshashas in future. Why didn't he give it to them before the trip, when it was needed? At any rate, this may be consistent w/ the legends about K-L fighting Rama's army, but nonetheless, I don't like that aspect of what's shown.

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

One thing about the guru business - Valmiki was not, afaik, versed in the martial knowledge, and did not impart that to K-L. After all, Rama was 15 or so when he learnt all that from Vishwamitra, while K-L were 12 when they were united w/ Rama. So while they may have learnt the Ramayan and other primary knowledge from Valmiki, I think it's perfectly likely that once they moved to Ayodhya, Vaishistha took over from there - it's not like they were graduates when Rama accepted them. In fact, K-L too may have learnt warfare from Vashishtha, not Valmiki

In last night's episode, they showed Valmiki blessing them with the knowledge to be able to destroy rakshashas in future. Why didn't he give it to them before the trip, when it was needed? At any rate, this may be consistent w/ the legends about K-L fighting Rama's army, but nonetheless, I don't like that aspect of what's shown.

Today's episode in a gist:

Originally posted by: Khalrika

First of all, I want to say that is a relief to have our beloved Awadhis back. I hope Sagars do not mess it up anymore and I hope they stay on track to the very end. Yes! Hope they maintain their track.

Chandra, I don't think Shatrughan went to Valmiki ashram for Namakaram. He goes there (Valmiki) on his way to fight Lavanasur. In fact he breaks there for the night to get Valmiki's ashirwad and to rest his men. It just so happens that L-K are born that same night and he gets to do their Namakaran. Here the Sagars have shown him starting their Shiksha as their mama. Creative switch by the Sagars! Valmiki said Chacha! So I guess Sagars did not goof it up there...

Chen, L-K do not go with their mama Shatrughan. This is the beginning of their Shiksha which is why he blesses them. This is the way the story should have proceeded last month. Cos of the elections in India we ended up watching Sagarayan and fairy tales for a month. Oh, well! Their chacha Shatrughan should have landed for their Namkaran Sanskar, well he landed up for their Shastra Sanskar... Better late than never! 😊 Oh, and K-L going with Shatru was just my creativity trying to blend in with the Sagars'

One point to be noted, most of the rishis were very well versed in warfare, astras, and shastras. Only because they are Rishis they do not use it themselves. So, Valmiki has the capacity to teach the children. Agreed!

One thing in today's episode, aside from Bharat/Mandavi's absense - when Sita was informed that Shatrughan was on his way, she looked shocked. But why? Was the terms of her exile that nobody should know where she was? Was it verboten for her to take refuge w/ anybody?

For the record, Shatrughan did meet Sita, and converse w/ her. Lakshman knew that he was leaving her near Valmiki's ashram, so both of them would have conjectured that she was living there. Only thing I'm unsure of - did Rama ask Shatrughan to stop at Valmiki's, or did Shatrughan just happen to stop there at his own desire?

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

One thing in today's episode, aside from Bharat/Mandavi's absense - when Sita was informed that Shatrughan was on his way, she looked shocked. But why? Was the terms of her exile that nobody should know where she was? Was it verboten for her to take refuge w/ anybody?

For the record, Shatrughan did meet Sita, and converse w/ her. Lakshman knew that he was leaving her near Valmiki's ashram, so both of them would have conjectured that she was living there. Only thing I'm unsure of - did Rama ask Shatrughan to stop at Valmiki's, or did Shatrughan just happen to stop there at his own desire?

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

One thing in today's episode, aside from Bharat/Mandavi's absense - when Sita was informed that Shatrughan was on his way, she looked shocked. But why? Was the terms of her exile that nobody should know where she was? Was it verboten for her to take refuge w/ anybody?

For the record, Shatrughan did meet Sita, and converse w/ her. Lakshman knew that he was leaving her near Valmiki's ashram, so both of them would have conjectured that she was living there. Only thing I'm unsure of - did Rama ask Shatrughan to stop at Valmiki's, or did Shatrughan just happen to stop there at his own desire?