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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: chen2chic

I too have the same question, did Rama rule for 10,000 yrs before Sita was exiled? I guess VR says many years passed but does it mention the number? I think in one of our earlier discussions, we sort of concluded that Rama may have ruled for a couple of years before Sita was exiled. Also I'm guessing the Aswamedha Yagna was the first one he did.

Unfortunately, valmikiramayan.net doesn't go as far, so I'm using the Sushma Gupta translation here (emphasis mine):

Originally posted by: bhagvatjee

Sarg 42 - Ten Thousand Years Pass

After sending Pushpak off, Raam came to His Beautiful Ashok Vaatikaa. Raam got very please the Sandal, Arun, mango, Paarijaat, Madaar, Kadamb, Jaamun, pomegranate trees which were blooming and were laden with fruits. There were several ponds with Sphatik (a kind of stone) stairs and blooming lotus flowers. Many flowers had fallen on the ground, and they looked like star in the sky. Raam ate many sweet fruits. At that time Kinnar and Apsaraa came there to sing and dance.

Thus Raam enjoyed life with Seetaa for 10,000 years. He used to spend day's first Prahar in religious activities, second one with Seetaa Jee. Seetaa also spent Her first Prahar in religious activities and serving mothers-in-law and second Prahar in the service of Raam. After some time, Seetaa got pregnant, then Raam said to Her happily - "At this time when you are pregnant, whatever your desire is, tell me, I will fulfill it." Seetaa said - "I have an intense desire to greet great gracious Rishi's lotus feet. Please permit me to go there for one night." Raam said - "To fulfill your desire I will definitely send you Tapovan tomorrow." Then He went to somewhere else with His people.

Now, back to my question. If the Ashwamedha yagna was the first one he did, then his subjects were happy & prosperous without him having to do any yagnas. In which case, any yagnas he'd have done for the well being/entertainment of his prajas would have been redundant exercises?😕 If that's the case, is it fair to conclude, as some interpreters have done, that the yagnas that he did after Sita's passing was to atone for the suffering she had to go through when she was alive?

Edited by Chandraketu - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

Khalrika & Chen2

You really know how to disappoint a guy! 😭With recession, terrorism and everything else, I was really rooting for Kalki to arrive sooner rather than later,😈 and you push out his appearance to 500,000 years? Heck, the sun may have expanded by then and incinerated the earth, no?

And I'd have gotten his darshan as well, but now, looks like out of the question😭



U already have his darshan. He is "Antaryami" and therefore resides inside u. Just got to go above this maya called Sansar sagar to find the Antaryami inside u. 😆😆😆
Btw, Kalki is supposed to come after 1000 celestial years from the start of Kali yug. So, u do the math. What is 1000 celestial years in terms of human years?
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

Okay, here's the next question (post#300 of this thread!)

Was the Ashwamedha yagna the first yagna Rama conducted as ruler? In Sarg 99, it states that after Sita's passing, every year, he performed an yagna for the well being of his subjects.

However, before Sita was exiled, Rama ruled for 10000 years, and wasn't it the fact that the ideal fruits of Rama rajya were there even then i.e. nobody died or got widowed, everybody was prosperous, sons respected their parents, etc? Then the question arises - did Rama perform any yagnas during that period before he performed the Ashwamedha yagna?

Also, when Rama did perform those post-Sita yagnas, were they done to atone for the suffering that Sita had to go through, or where they routine yagnas?

P.S. Chen2, I'll let you know what I find out re: your questions above.



Actually, Ramji performs many Asvamedha yagnas after Sita goes into the earth. I think he performs an Asvamedha yagna every year or every 2 years or something like that. Now, don't ask me to find the source. I am not going through all those big books again. I am too tired today after having a fun time yesterday (Mother's Day).
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: Khalrika



U already have his darshan. He is "Antaryami" and therefore resides inside u. Just got to go above this maya called Sansar sagar to find the Antaryami inside u. 😆😆😆
Btw, Kalki is supposed to come after 1000 celestial years from the start of Kali yug. So, u do the math. What is 1000 celestial years in terms of human years?

How much is it in human years? I somehow feel celestial years are shorter, not longer, than human years. But I'll welcome any source.

Unfortunately, my antaryami cannot destroy all evil in the world 😔, let alone the world 😭😭😭, which is why I was rooting for Kalki to arrive 2 years from now.😆😆😆

Edited by Chandraketu - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago

Khalrika

I know that he performed an Ashwamedha yagna every year or so after Sita's passing. My question was - did he do so before as well, when he and Sita both ruled?

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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

How much is it in human years? I somehow feel celestial years are shorter, not longer, than human years. But I'll welcome any source.

Unfortunately, my antaryami cannot destroy all evil in the world 😔, let alone the world 😭😭😭, which is why I was rooting for Kalki to arrive 2 years from now.😆😆😆



If celestial years are shorter then how much is it in human years? Math is not my favorite subject. 😉😆 Anyway, I would love to get his darshan too. It will be cool to be alive during the avatar years. 😎
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: Khalrika



If celestial years are shorter then how much is it in human years? Math is not my favorite subject. 😉😆 Anyway, I would love to get his darshan too. It will be cool to be alive during the avatar years. 😎

Thanks for the info Khalrika!😃
Yeah, Math is not my fav subject either.😆 I stopped "liking" it when I took Calculus. Eurgh! That was a nightmare!🤢
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

Khalrika

I know that he performed an Ashwamedha yagna every year or so after Sita's passing. My question was - did he do so before as well, when he and Sita both ruled?



Dunno and I am too tired (good tired) to find out. I had a wonderful Mother's day and the last activity was to play the 36 holes mini-golf. So, I am really tired today after all the fun yesterday. Love mini-golf! One of my favorite activities.
Edited by Khalrika - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago

Calculus was okay. Imaginary numbers and surds was when I started hating it.

Some math is about as inexplicable as some Hindu mythology. There was one particular problem with an infinite surface integral but a volume integral of 1. As one of my friends put it to me, you can fill that thing up with paint, but you can't paint it.😕

At any rate, I don't think the problem is so much math as it is chronologies - with the kalpas, the manvantaras, the ahoratras and so on.

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Posted: 16 years ago
So, what discussion thread are we in now? Ramayan / Calculus? And btw, I too share the universal tendency towards Mathematics. 😉
Coming to our discussion, I do not think we have any account of any Yagna when Sita was at Ayodhya. So, if the aswamedha yagna was the first one, the following yagnas were maybe as Chandra said, done to atone for Sita's suffering ? 😕
Also, were the yagnas done for the well being of his Praja? Or was it for him to establish supremacy or anything like that?

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