Doubts and Discussions from the Ramayan II - Page 24

Oh, if that's what you want, grab a load of this!

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nctQSJmLOPU[/YOUTUBE]

This is family only - I edited out the part about Rama trying to get to the bottom of Usha's situation.

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

In this serial, otoh, Rama launched his reign by announcing a 5 year tax holiday. In other words, this Rama was more of a free enterprise ruler, who did not see the role of government as redistributing wealth, but rather seeing to it that people kept the fruits of their labor.👏 (See 7:20-7:45 of the clip below)

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua_jqRRb_2g[/YOUTUBE]

Not only that, but after Sita's exile, when some subjects wanted to pay taxes, Rama asked Sumantra to direct the village in question to use it towards their own development👍🏼

Interesting contrast in economic policies between the 2 Ramas.

By 'liberal' I think you mean with the small 'l', since in the US, Liberal is an euphamism for leftist high taxing policy. Regardless of how one labels Rama, the difference between the 2 - in the first serial, Rama was explaining the necessity of taxes, and also threw in an explanation of why some people should be taxed more than others, whereas in this serial, he simply gave a 5 year tax holiday to all.

Yeah, in the written text, there were no deseases, no deaths, everyone was prosperous, nobody ever became widowed and so on. In short, an utopian society😍

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

It (the damage to this serial) was all the vidhan of someone named Mr Vidhi🤣

Originally posted by: ananyacool

actually Yajnyavalkya ( a scholar in Janak's court) talks about fate and free will explaining that theyboth are the oppositewheels of a chariot , just as they play a supporting role for a chariot so also a proper blend of both things play a balancing role in the life of a person.

(I had read this long time back, will update on this later)

Bhagvadgeeta too talks about Karma-deeds and the fruits attached to it ; while karma is in our hands ,their fruits are not in our control , something like fate n freewill.

The way I've always understood it, fate is something we ascribe to the past!!! Like one studies one's butt off for an exam, and doesn't hit the target, that's fate. But if a kid is about to touch a poison ivy, one doesn't just let him and say that what's fated to happen will happen. Karma is supposed to be what's operable here. One does what one determines is best for the future, and doesn't just put it on autopilot by fate.

The concept of free will is something that most religions have i.e. although god(s) is all powerful, t/he/y generally allow certain laws of nature to follow their course as observable behavior, so that one doesn't suddenly see wierd things happening in one's daily life just because gods suddenly have this knack to twist stuff a bit. The only time gods do intervene is when some irretrievable damage seems to be happening.

The best example - when Sita was abducted, Rama didn't put it to 'vidhi ka vidhan' - he found out where she was, and wiped out the rakshashas before getting her back. The 'vidhi ka vidhan' school of thought, as depicted in this serial, would have had Rama resigned to that fate, and return to Ayodhya w/ Lakshman but w/o Sita. Therefore, to depict Rama parroting the 'vidhi ka vidhan' line here looks ridiculous, and even more so when Shiva & Parvati are watching the live K-L drama.

Incidentally, is 'vidhi ka vidhan' itself there in Valmiki? Closest I saw was 7-52, when Lakshman tells Rama that 'Kaal's Gati is like that. People like you should not worry too much. Treasures get empty, progress changes into fall, people meet to separate and the end of life is death. Therefore one should not have too much attachment to sons, friends wealth etc, because they are made for separation.' That's pretty different from saying 'Vidhi ka vidhan'

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

In the context of all the questions people had about whether Hanuman recognized Kush/Luv or not, does Kush/Luv have any contact with Hanuman in Valmiki's Ramayan? I didn't think they did.

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

The way I've always understood it, fate is something we ascribe to the past!!! Like one studies one's butt off for an exam, and doesn't hit the target, that's fate. But if a kid is about to touch a poison ivy, one doesn't just let him and say that what's fated to happen will happen. Karma is supposed to be what's operable here. One does what one determines is best for the future, and doesn't just put it on autopilot by fate.

The concept of free will is something that most religions have i.e. although god(s) is all powerful, t/he/y generally allow certain laws of nature to follow their course as observable behavior, so that one doesn't suddenly see wierd things happening in one's daily life just because gods suddenly have this knack to twist stuff a bit. The only time gods do intervene is when some irretrievable damage seems to be happening.

The best example - when Sita was abducted, Rama didn't put it to 'vidhi ka vidhan' - he found out where she was, and wiped out the rakshashas before getting her back. The 'vidhi ka vidhan' school of thought, as depicted in this serial, would have had Rama resigned to that fate, and return to Ayodhya w/ Lakshman but w/o Sita. Therefore, to depict Rama parroting the 'vidhi ka vidhan' line here looks ridiculous, and even more so when Shiva & Parvati are watching the live K-L drama.

Incidentally, is 'vidhi ka vidhan' itself there in Valmiki? Closest I saw was 7-52, when Lakshman tells Rama that 'Kaal's Gati is like that. People like you should not worry too much. Treasures get empty, progress changes into fall, people meet to separate and the end of life is death. Therefore one should not have too much attachment to sons, friends wealth etc, because they are made for separation.' That's pretty different from saying 'Vidhi ka vidhan'