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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

Rocha

You have a right to post anything you want. You don't have a right to be read, heard, responded to or agreed with.

Do you get the difference?

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Couldn't have said it better myself!
S_Rocha, say all you want, we really don't care, but no one here will listen to you, you will change no one's minds, no one will give your words one bit of value. We all are devotees of Ramji and Sitaji here. This Forum is not only about the Ramayan Serial, but also the Epic as well, so you will change not one person's minds here, so unless you want to waste your time posting useless articles, I suggest you leave.....or if you're really eager to stay in this forum for some reason, post some practical posts.
Got it? Good.
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: _LalithaJanaki_

S_rocha, I suggest you read the real Valmiki Ramayan before making these kinds of posts again. If you read the real Valmiki Ramayan, your "so called doubt" would be erased.
In the very same Valmiki Ramayan you claim to read, Shri Ram tells Sita after her Agni Pariksha that he never doubted her, and his love for her is even greater than her love for him. Sita was a daughter-in-law of the Raghukul, the wife of Rama, the daughter in law of King Dasharath and the daughter of King Janaka. There is no doubt of her chastity and virtue. Yet, befoe she ascended the throne of Ayodhya, she had to prove her innocence to the world, not to Shri Ram, not because there is any doubt of her chastity, but because people had to be convinced of the purity of their Queen.
Shri Ram knew beforehand (through his experience as a kshatriya) that the people of Ayodhya would doubt Sita's virtue since she was in Ravan's kingdom for 10 months. Ramji did not want any complications for his beloved wife, that's why the Agni Pariksha had to be done.
Why don't you for once read Ramji's explanation to Sitaji after the Agnipareeksha, instead of reading only half of everything, and forming your opinions.
Who in the world told you Shri Ram did not care for Sita? Are you out of your mind? Are you crazy? They are the epitome of a loving couple. Ramji and Sitaji are the eternal pair, forever together. Ramji never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever doubted Sitaji, and any Ramayan which says Ramji did not care for Sitaji is false, completely utterly false.
And don't you dare say it says so in Valmiki Ramayan. Half the members in this forum have Valmiki Ramayan. We do not base our info from Anti-Hindu sites.
As for the so called "excuses" you gave that people come up with in support of Ramji, they're all true. Ramji exiled his beloved wife not because he believed what the praja said, but because he had to fulfill his Dharma as a King. You will not understand that Dharma, because you are thinking with the mindset of a modern person. Think like a person living in Treta Yug, and you will understand.
And I doubt you ever heard the concept of Chaya Sita. It is in Ramcharitmanas, or Tulsidas Ramayan. Before Sita was kidnapped by Ravan, Ramji entrusted her to Agni Dev and kept the shadow form of Sitaji, or Chaya Sita. Sita's powers due to her chastity were so strong that Ravan would have burned had he laid one hand on her. To kill all the Rakshasas in Ravan's family, and not only him, Sita had to be kidnapped, but the real one. Her Chaya was kidnapped by Ravan.
Later on, the Agni Pareeksha was done to reclaim the real Sita from Agnidev.



Lalitha, u are so correct. In the Uttarkhand, I am reading it right now and I see how much Ramji loved his wife. He builds this beautiful Vatika for her and spends so much time with her there. It is soooooo romantic. He is so proud of her when she is pregnant and he treats her sooooo well. In my next birth I want Ramji for a husband. 😳😳
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Posted: 16 years ago
Yeah Every woman dreams of Ram as her husband. I don't think anyone doubts his love for her. In fact many would say Ram's love for Sita is greater than her love for him, I think it said in Ramayan itself. They are truly the most perfect couple, separated tragically but still always together.
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Posted: 16 years ago
@ S_rocha - A BODY WITHOUT HEAD AND TAIL WILL NOT MAKE SENSE...👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼
Try to understand the concept in which things are said, if you EVER want to understand them, instead of just doing a Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: loveanime

Yeah Every woman dreams of Ram as her husband. I don't think anyone doubts his love for her. In fact many would say Ram's love for Sita is greater than her love for him, I think it said in Ramayan itself. They are truly the most perfect couple, separated tragically but still always together.

Yes, in the Sundara Kanda, when Hanuman meets Sita in the Ashoka Vatika, Sita asks Hanuman, in her distress, if Ram's love for her had grown any less since their separation? Why was he taking so long to save her from Ravan's clutches? Hanuman modestly replies that, "Forgive me Mata, but Prabhu's love for you is even greater than yours for him."
This makes Sita very happy.😊😍
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: chen2chic

@ S_rocha - A BODY WITHOUT HEAD AND TAIL WILL NOT MAKE SENSE...👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼

Try to understand the concept in which things are said, if you EVER want to understand them, instead of just doing a Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V
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Great Reply👏, you're right, only a fool can doubt Ramji's love for Sita Ma.
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: Mandodari



Lalitha, u are so correct. In the Uttarkhand, I am reading it right now and I see how much Ramji loved his wife. He builds this beautiful Vatika for her and spends so much time with her there. It is soooooo romantic. He is so proud of her when she is pregnant and he treats her sooooo well. In my next birth I want Ramji for a husband. 😳😳
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Thank you😳.
My mom told me that when a girl is unmarried, Lord Vishnu counts as her husband because every girl is a form of Lakshmi, but when she is married, the girl will have new responsibilities and duties and she should then serve her husband and his family.😳😳
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: _LalithaJanaki_

Thank you😳.
My mom told me that when a girl is unmarried, Lord Vishnu counts as her husband because every girl is a form of Lakshmi, but when she is married, the girl will have new responsibilities and duties and she should then serve her husband and his family.😳😳



So to get Vishnuji in my next birth I have to pray to Gowri ma like Sitaji.
Jagadambe Jag Kalyani
Vaardani Math Bhavani
Chandra has already asked me to aspire to be Jambavati. So, once my duties to my family in this birth is done my tapas to Vishnuji would start via recommendations from Maa Gowri. God, I am aiming too high!!! 😆😆😆
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Posted: 16 years ago
Sorry, friends, for such a delay. As I had said before, I am posting the story of Uttara Rama Charita by Bhavabuti. Most of you might have searched for the story and read it already. But I'm posting it here anyway.

The reason I think of this story as a fairytale is not because I consider it false but because its too fantastical. It reminds me of all the fairy tales like Cinderella or Snow White - it is a beautiful story of lovers reunited after a long separation and how they miss and long for each other when apart.





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Posted: 16 years ago
An excerpt from 'Tales from Hindu Dramatists' by R.N. Dutta. (Google Books)


UTTAR RAMA CHARITA OR THE LATER LIFE OF RAMA.


Rama, when duly crowned at Ayodhya, enters upon a life of quiet enjoyment with his wife Sita. The love of Rama and Sita, purified by sorrow during the late exile, is most tender.

After a stay of a few days at Ayodhya, Janaka, the father of Sita, goes back to his country Mithila. Rama consoles his queen for her father's absence. The sage Ashtavakra comes in and delivers a message to Rama from his spiritual preceptors to satisfy the wishes of Sita and please his people. Then the sage goes away.

The family priest Vasishtha, having to leave the capital for a time to assist at a sacrifice, utters a few words of parting advice to Rama, thus:--

"Remember that a king's real glory consists in his people's welfare."

Rama replies: "I am ready to give up everything, happiness, love, pity--even Sita herself--if needful for my subjects' good."

In accordance with this promise, he employs an emissary named Durmukha to ascertain the popular opinion as to his own treatment of his subjects.

Lakshmana now asks Rama and Sita to come out and see their early history drawn on the terrace of the palace. They move about and the different parts of the picture are shown to Sita, when the eyes of Sita turn on the 'yawn-producing' weapons. Rama asks her to salute them so that they would attend also on her children. Sita then feels tired and lays her head on the arm of her husband and sleeps.

Then Durmukha, who, as an old and trusted servant, had free admission to the inner apartments, comes and whispers to him that people condemn his receiving back a queen, abducted by a fiend, after her long residence in a stranger's house. In short, he is told that they still gossip and talk scandal about her and Ravana. The scrupulously correct and over-sensitive Rama, though convinced of his wife's fidelity after her submission to the fiery ordeal, and though she is now likely to become a mother, feels himself quite unable to allow the slightest cause of offence to continue among his subjects.

He has no other resource. People must be satisfied. He orders his dear Sita's exile, and the messenger goes away to deliver the order to Lakshmana to seclude her somewhere in the woods. He is torn by
contending feelings. He is overpowered with grief, withdraws his arm from his sleeping wife and pours forth pathetic lamentation. Then he takes up her feet and cries when the announcement of the arrival of frightened Rishis makes him go out to send Satrughna to their succour. The messenger Durmukha then enters and takes Sita unsuspectingly to mount the chariot which is to lead her to exile.

Lakshmana takes Sita to the forest and leaves her there.

She is protected by divine agencies. Her twin sons, Kusa and Lava, are born and entrusted to the care of the sage Valmiki, the author of the Ramayana, who brings them up in his hermitage. The boys have no knowledge of their royal descent.


To be continued . . .

Sorry, I didn't have time to process it and then post it here. Its an interesting story by itself.
Edited by Vibhishna - 16 years ago

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