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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

I knew Sita had many talents. I just didn't know that she was into English poetry, that too eons before the language even existed🤣

Aside from that, I agree with Ananya - ignore the troll.

Chandra - it just comes naturally to you........doesn't it???????😃😆😉
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Posted: 16 years ago

After watching the day's episode, I was reminded of another scene from the serial.

In one of the cute flashback scenes when Sita is in the Ashokvatika, the occassion is Vrat, KarwaChaut I guess. In that when Sita applies Tika to Ram, he takes his right hand behind his head....What custom is this? And any particular significance?
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: ananyacool

You go on posting such things because you've already formed an opinion on Rama not because you have 'genuine' doubts, not matter whatever is attempted to make you understand will go waste.


Oh really are you sure? I am quoting from Valmiki's Ramayan and you are saying I formed an opinion of myself😲, this is not my own opinion but the great sage Valmiki who wrote it down in his book. well that mistake you pointed is grammatical and it happens, not a big deal. well Can you explain if its my opinion what about other verses which proves Ram contempt for women?. what about the verse where Lord Ram says do not trust women. I would like to write it here as probably you might not have read RAMAYANA
Rama says to bharat: 'Do you keep your womenfolk pacified? Are they duly protected by you? I hope you do not repose excessive faith in them and do not confide your secrets to them.' " -- Ramayana 2:100.
Coming to judgement without verifing is not good. got it!!!
And Mr Rajnish, Mandodary , chen2chic and chandraketu. I din't understood your agreeing to Ananyacool, have you people only have right to speak and others do not. jeesh!!!!!!!!!

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Posted: 16 years ago

Rocha

You have a right to post anything you want. You don't have a right to be read, heard, responded to or agreed with.

Do you get the difference?

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Posted: 16 years ago
Ram contempt of women??????? SHOCK SHOCK. Is that for real. I was never taught that. But there are so many different variations of Ramayan out there. But I cant imagine people praising lord Ram so highly if his relationship with Sita was not truly divine and ideal. How can it be written like that, isn't Ram's greatness is the fact he considered everyone his equal especially woman mainly his wife Sita. That is why he is an ideal man. If he had such flaws why would he be considered the greatest of all mythical characters. I always thought the disputes in Ramayan was over how Sita was banished to forest again or even whether Uttar Kand is actually part of the real Ramayan. I didnt think people had doubts about Ram's values and ideals.
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: chen2chic

After watching the day's episode, I was reminded of another scene from the serial.

In one of the cute flashback scenes when Sita is in the Ashokvatika, the occassion is Vrat, KarwaChaut I guess. In that when Sita applies Tika to Ram, he takes his right hand behind his head....What custom is this? And any particular significance?



Chen2chic, I just celebrated the Karadayan Nombu on Saturday. So this is an appropriate question. For those who don't know K. Nombu is a southie version of Karwa Chauth. The wives pray for the long lives of the husband and the celebration is based on the story of Sati Savithri.

I am glad u mentioned that. Thnx for thinking about it. I was wondering about that too? Why did he put his hand behind his head when Sitaji was applying the tilak during Karwachaut?

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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: S_rocha


Oh really are you sure? I am quoting from Valmiki's Ramayan and you are saying I formed an opinion of myself😲, this is not my own opinion but the great sage Valmiki who wrote it down in his book. well that mistake you pointed is grammatical and it happens, not a big deal. well Can you explain if its my opinion what about other verses which proves Ram contempt for women?. what about the verse where Lord Ram says do not trust women. I would like to write it here as probably you might not have read RAMAYANA
Rama says to bharat: 'Do you keep your womenfolk pacified? Are they duly protected by you? I hope you do not repose excessive faith in them and do not confide your secrets to them.' " -- Ramayana 2:100.
Coming to judgement without verifing is not good. got it!!!
And Mr Rajnish, Mandodary , chen2chic and chandraketu. I din't understood your agreeing to Ananyacool, have you people only have right to speak and others do not. jeesh!!!!!!!!!

Hold on S_rocha................
Wrt this comment by Ram, the situation here described is exclusively state affairs and his duties as a King. And as a King, he has all rights to maintain secrecy in state affairs.......
It will be good if you understand the context where these words are spoken. Obviously without a head and tail, the body will not make sense............
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Posted: 16 years ago
I have seen that a lot on TV, and in real life too, where not just the man, woman too when someone is applying tilak on their forehead they put their hand on the back of their head. I wonder what it means ?????????
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: Mandodari



Chen2chic, I just celebrated the Karadayan Nombu on Saturday. So this is an appropriate question. For those who don't know K. Nombu is a southie version of Karwa Chauth. The wives pray for the long lives of the husband and the celebration is based on the story of Sati Savithri.

I am glad u mentioned that. Thnx for thinking about it. I was wondering about that too? Why did he put his hand behind his head when Sitaji was applying the tilak during Karwachaut?

I too celebrated it....Had Kaaradai with butter......yum yum yum yum yum deliciouso.......
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: S_rocha

I remember reading a poem of sita on Agnipariksha-

I too have given agnipariksha,
Not one - but many
Everyday, a new one.
However, this agnipariksha
Is not to prove myself worthy of this or that Ram
But to make myself
Worthy of freedom.
Every day your envious, dirty looks
Reduced me to ashes
And everyday, like a Phoenix, I arose again
Out of my own ashes ... ... ...
Who is Ram to reject me?
I have rejected that entire society
Which has converted
Homes into prisons.


but yet the injustice done to Sita seems to weigh very heavily on the collective conscience of men in India. Those few who try to find justifications for Ram's cruel behaviour towards Sita take pains to explain it in one of the following ways
-Ram did it not because he personally doubted Sita but because of the demands of his dharma as a king; he knew she was innocent but he had to show his praja (subject) that unlike his father, he was not a slave to a woman, that as a just raja he was willing to make any amount of personal sacrifices for them.
-It was an act of sacrifice for him as well. He suffered no less, and lived an ascetic life thereafter;
-He banished only the shadow of Sita. He kept the real Sita by his side all the time.

S_rocha, I suggest you read the real Valmiki Ramayan before making these kinds of posts again. If you read the real Valmiki Ramayan, your "so called doubt" would be erased.
In the very same Valmiki Ramayan you claim to read, Shri Ram tells Sita after her Agni Pariksha that he never doubted her, and his love for her is even greater than her love for him. Sita was a daughter-in-law of the Raghukul, the wife of Rama, the daughter in law of King Dasharath and the daughter of King Janaka. There is no doubt of her chastity and virtue. Yet, befoe she ascended the throne of Ayodhya, she had to prove her innocence to the world, not to Shri Ram, not because there is any doubt of her chastity, but because people had to be convinced of the purity of their Queen.
Shri Ram knew beforehand (through his experience as a kshatriya) that the people of Ayodhya would doubt Sita's virtue since she was in Ravan's kingdom for 10 months. Ramji did not want any complications for his beloved wife, that's why the Agni Pariksha had to be done.
Why don't you for once read Ramji's explanation to Sitaji after the Agnipareeksha, instead of reading only half of everything, and forming your opinions.
Who in the world told you Shri Ram did not care for Sita? Are you out of your mind? Are you crazy? They are the epitome of a loving couple. Ramji and Sitaji are the eternal pair, forever together. Ramji never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever doubted Sitaji, and any Ramayan which says Ramji did not care for Sitaji is false, completely utterly false.
And don't you dare say it says so in Valmiki Ramayan. Half the members in this forum have Valmiki Ramayan. We do not base our info from Anti-Hindu sites.
As for the so called "excuses" you gave that people come up with in support of Ramji, they're all true. Ramji exiled his beloved wife not because he believed what the praja said, but because he had to fulfill his Dharma as a King. You will not understand that Dharma, because you are thinking with the mindset of a modern person. Think like a person living in Treta Yug, and you will understand.
And I doubt you ever heard the concept of Chaya Sita. It is in Ramcharitmanas, or Tulsidas Ramayan. Before Sita was kidnapped by Ravan, Ramji entrusted her to Agni Dev and kept the shadow form of Sitaji, or Chaya Sita. Sita's powers due to her chastity were so strong that Ravan would have burned had he laid one hand on her. To kill all the Rakshasas in Ravan's family, and not only him, Sita had to be kidnapped, but the real one. Her Chaya was kidnapped by Ravan.
Later on, the Agni Pareeksha was done to reclaim the real Sita from Agnidev.

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