Doubts and Discussions from the Ramayan - Page 44

Ananya

No, I am not aware of the story of Karkati & Bhimasur - in fact, I had no idea that Kumbhakarna had a second wife. With all that sleep, when did he find time to marry beyond Vajramala? Nor did I hear of Rama ever fighting Bhimasur - in fact, after Ravan, the only war that Rama himself fought was when he decided to conquer Karupathadesh for Lakshman's sons.

When I was a kid, one of the Ramayan stories I read had it that after Indrajit's death, Ravan sent Vibhishan's son and Indrajit's son to fight the vanaras, and they were both killed by them. Did you ever know of this, and if so, from which version it was? I didn't know that either of them had sons, much less that they were sent into war by Ravan.

P.S. Congratulations on 600!!!!👍🏼👏

Originally posted by: ananyacool

Thanks Vibhishna

Do you or Chandra bhaiya know the story of Karkati? All I know that she was another wife of Kumbhakarna and after the terrible war between ram n Ravan in which Ravan dies and then few of the most loyal soldiers of Ravan escape along with Karkati (who was pregnant with Kumbhakarna's child ) in Sahyadri hills where Karkati's father , a tribal king gives all of them shelther. Karkati gives birth to Bhimasur who grows up to be a staunch enemy of Ram.

I want to know that does he fight with Ram??

(This is from Shiv-puran)

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

Ananya

No, I am not aware of the story of Karkati & Bhimasur - in fact, I had no idea that Kumbhakarna had a second wife. With all that sleep, when did he find time to marry beyond Vajramala? Nor did I hear of Rama ever fighting Bhimasur - in fact, after Ravan, the only war that Rama himself fought was when he decided to conquer Karupathadesh for Lakshman's sons.

When I was a kid, one of the Ramayan stories I read had it that after Indrajit's death, Ravan sent Vibhishan's son and Indrajit's son to fight the vanaras, and they were both killed by them. Did you ever know of this, and if so, from which version it was? I didn't know that either of them had sons, much less that they were sent into war by Ravan.

P.S. Congratulations on 600!!!!👍🏼👏

Chen2chic

Was Karkati crying because Kumbhakarna fell asleep during their nuptual night, or because she got pregnant? 😆😆😆

Also, was she as gigantic as Kumbhakarna? Same question about Vajramala?

Originally posted by: ananyacool

Thanks Vibhishna

Do you or Chandra bhaiya know the story of Karkati? All I know that she was another wife of Kumbhakarna and after the terrible war between ram n Ravan in which Ravan dies and then few of the most loyal soldiers of Ravan escape along with Karkati (who was pregnant with Kumbhakarna's child ) in Sahyadri hills where Karkati's father , a tribal king gives all of them shelther. Karkati gives birth to Bhimasur who grows up to be a staunch enemy of Ram.

I want to know that does he fight with Ram??

(This is from Shiv-puran)

Originally posted by: chen2chic

Ha ha yes, that reminds me.. in Om Namah Shivay they showed Karkati is crying that Kumbhakaran was sleeping on their nuptial night and yet she gets pregnant, I wonder how???

Vibhishan's son & Indrajit's son? Thats news! But then son fighting against father? Thats wierd..

Ananya - I thought we just congratulated you for hitting 500 recently. And now 600? Way to go gal!!!👏

Vibs

Thanks for this account - it's nice to read this story. I love learning new items from mythology, and this one certainly is brand new to me.

I found it strange that he asked for the strength to kill Rama, but never actually went to war with him. Seems like that was a completely wasted boon.

Thanx Chandra bhaiya n Deepa

Originally posted by: Vibhishna

I found the story in Shiva Purana. This is the first time I'm reading it too. In the story I read, Bheema's mother's name was given to be Karkuti.

Bheema was a king (I don't know which place - it could be the tribal kingdom but not sure). One day, he asked his mother who his father was and where he was. For that his mother replied that his father was Kumbhkaran and that her first husband was Viraadh. She further told him that Viraadh, Kumbhkaran, Ravan and others were killed by Ram. She also told him that her father Karkada and mother Pushkani were burned in a homa fire when they tried to eat a sage. Bheema became terriblly angry and did severe penance (to please Lord Brahma) to acquire the strength and might to kill Ram. Lord Brahma appeared and gave the boon of immense strength and might to him. Bheema returned and told his mother of the boon he acquired and started his conquests.

Bheema imprisoned the king of Kaalaroopam named Priyadharma (or Priyamvadha in some versions) and his wife and took over the kingdom. He won over many kings and took over their kingdoms too. He then started a war with the Devas. The Devas worshipped Lord Shiva and pleaded him for protection. Lord Shiva appeared and told them that Bheema's end was near and he will be destroyed soon and then disappeared.

Priyadharma and his wife worshipped Lord Shiva continuously. They made a Linga out of the sand and worshipped it. When Bheema heard this, he came to them and said, "Let's see what your Lord can do . . ." and lifted up his sword to kill them. At that moment Lord Shiva appeared and shot the Naaga Paasha on Bheema. As a result, his sword was shattered into pieces. Lord Shiva told him to get away and if he ever tries to harm them (who were his devotees) he will be destroyed.

But Bheema collected his armies and waged a war at the Shiva Ganaas. Devrishi Narad asked if such a terrible war was necessary to kill this one Asura. Lord Shiva looked upon Bheema and his armies with complete fury and rage and they wre burnt to ashes.

Priyadharma was made the king of Kaalaroopam again. The Shiva Linga worshipped by him is known by the name of 'Bheemashankara'.

I did not find any information on how Karkuti (or Karkati) married Kumbhkaran or how she fled from Lanka and who the Tribals who sheltered her were.