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Posted: 16 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: desichica

Lalitha...i love the way how u explained on how Ravan was not a true bhakt of Shivji because a true devotee wud recognize his Lord in any form....Just as Hanumanji recognized Shree Krishna in Dwapar Yug!!!!! I actually never thought of that before until i saw ur explanation!!!! Really an awesome explanation!!!

Now Hanuman Dada (that's how i refer to HIM as 😃) is the truest of true devotee i have known to be of the LORD!!!!!

Thank you Suniti!😳😃
I agree with you. Hanumanji was the truest devotee of all, as he could recognize Lord Vishnu in any/all forms.
Shri Ram and Shri Hanuman
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: sita11

in my eyes ,vibhishan did the right thing !!!!

as vibhishan was a great soul so he helped his GOD lord VISHNU in his mission of ending all monsters on earth & as vibhsihan followed the footsteps of his father rishi vishrawa ,he was a true brahmin ,so he had all the great qualities !!!
vibhsiahn ji was a great soul !!!! his scarifice cannot b described in words !!!!


well said sita di, we don't have words to describe the greatness of great soul vibhison. i wonder how a devotee of sri ram questions about his greatness, no doubt about is greatness. many ppl speaks against him . i must say those ppl seriously need to read our sacrad scriptures like ramayan and gita b4 raisin issue against great soul vibhision😕
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Many people have different opinions of Vibhishan. I am merely expressiing my own. I do not mean to offend anyone. A similar discussion did come up in Vanar Sena Club (Started in page 10 and then continues in pages 13, 14).

Thank you Rajnish ji, Suniti ji, Lalitha ji, Mallika ji for expressing your views so elaborately for all to understand.
I may be repeating what is said earlier, but I'm doing so to stress some points.
First of all, one must think from Vibhishan's point of view to understand him. Its perfectly true that no one can stand the humiliation of being literally 'kicked' out in front of the whole court. I can't even imagine how much it would have hurt him. Someone he had respected as a father had disowned him and kicked him out that too for the lust of a woman. No respectable person will stay in the same place after all this. What Ravan did was not correct. Abducting a woman after tricking her husband and brother in law away from her and taking her away when she was helpless was a very cowardly thing to do. Its perfectly true that none of Ravan's ministers were brave enough to speak against him. It takes a great deal of courage to stand up against one's enemies. It takes even more greater courage to stand up against your friends and family when they do something wrong especially when they are elder to you (I know this is a quote from Harry Potter - I'm just quoting it here as it fits the situation and its perfectly true 😉).
A question may arise that why did Vibhishan go to Ram after being thrown out of Lanka. Why didn't he retire to a forest or some other place and spend the rest of his days quietly? The reason, I think, is this . . .
Vibhishan was a true devotee of Lord Vishnu and Lord Ram. Ravan had thrown him out and not even one person from his family or friends or his subjects ever spoke for him. They did not persuade Ravan that he should not throw out his brother fro telling the truth. After all, Vibhishan spoke that way only for Ravan's wellbeing and not that he wanted to hurt him or scold him. When his whole family had deserted him, and when he was so hurt by what his brother did what would a person like Vibhishan do? A true devotee like him will run straight to his lord (the God he worships) and seek shelter at his Lord's feet. This is exactly what Vibhishan did. (I think it was his ministers and friends who advised him to do so and not his mother. I read a story that Kekasi (Ravan's mother) died soon after Ravan had tried to bring the Aatma Linga to Lanka and was thwarted by the devas and Lord Ganesha in this attempt.) When everyone he knew had deserted him is it not natural that he seeked shelter from the one he had worshiped all his life?
Secondly, though its true that Ravan was a great devotee, he had comitted many sins. Like the many asur and rakshas kings before him, he was truly devoted and gained many boons. But when he misused them, he was punished for what he did. It was his devotion that protected him for such a long time. But when he crossed the limit, there was nothing to save him. He brought destruction not only upon himself but upon his whole family.
Thirdly (and most importantly), whether Vibhishan gave out the secrets of his family or not, Ram would have definitely won the war. With Vibhishan's guidance and timely help for to his friends, the war was won sooner. Without Vibhishan, though it may have taken a bit longer, Ram would have definitely won the war. Righteousness always wins. It can never be otherwise. Vibhishan could have told Ram everything about Ravan and others on the first day of meeting Ram. But Vibhishan never told them the secret till there was no other option and he considered it his duty to save the lives of his friends who shelterd him when his family had thrown him out. If Ravan had not thrown him out, Vibhishan too would have died fighting for Ravan.
Vibhishan was never weak. He remained strong even in the most trying of circumstances. Though he knew about Ravan's temper and that his blindness to reason when he was enamoured by women, he still endeavoured to talk sense into his brother. He never craved the throne and accepted it only because it was offerd by the one whom he seeked shelter from. It would have been disrespectful of Vibhishan if he had refused the first thing that was given by his friend and protector. If he had wanted the throne, he need not have joined Lord Ram for it. He could have just stayed back and egged his brother in the wrong path and awaited his brother's demise to snatch the throne. It was also possible that Ram could have claimed Lanka as a part of his own kingdom after his victory. Ram was the king of Ayodhya and if he had conquered Lanka and defeated Ravan, the kingdom of Lanka will belong to Ram. That was the laws of war at those times. And when Vibhishan left Lanka, Ravan had a huge and capable army. He didn't even know that Ram was going to offer him the kingdom. In fact, he just hoped that Ram would grant him shelter and that was all he wanted. Thus, Vibhishan could not have gone to Ram expecting to be given the kingdom of Lanka. Ram offered to make him the king of Lanka and Vibhishan in turn promised to help Ram as a friend. And this he chose to do because Ram was fighting for a righteous cause. Maharishi Valmiki often refers to Vibhishan as sage Vibhishan. This is an acknowledgement of his good character and selflessness.
Its true that Vibhishan joined Ram not because of Ram but because Ram's cause was a righteous one. It is also true that being a true devotee like Hanuman, he recognised the Lord which Ravan failed to do.
That's all for now friends. Again, apologies for such a long reply.
Edited by Vibhishna - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Beautiful explanation Vibhishna!!!! Every1's perspective here who sees Vibhishan is so wonderfully and beautifully explained...and the way we all see good in him in different perspectives is wonderfully depicted!!!!!!
Wonderful wonderful explanation Vibhishna!!!
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Wow! Really very beautiful explanation Vibhishna! It made me so happy to read your perspective on the great soul Vibhishana. Thank you for taking the time to write such a long reply.👍🏼
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Posted: 16 years ago
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@Vibhishna

I also like how you used a quote from Harry Potter.😉 You're right. It really does fit.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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very nice explanation vibhision👏
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Great discussion going on. Wonderful explantion by everyone. I just want to add one thing. For many people Vibhishan is a selfish brother. To them I want to say that when he advised infact prayed Ravna to return Sita what was his selfish interest? He was never selfish while giving advices. He just wanted welfare of his elder brother n country. Being diplomat is not a sin esp when ur in high position or office of a country. Vibhishna correctly assessed the might of Sri Ram n he wanted to avoid the war to stop destruction of his country. Even today we see state officials diplomats use negotiations n avoid war to prevent destruction. Are they wrong or coward or selfish? Vibhishan was responsible minister n good diplomat. But it was Ravan who cud not see things beyond is own ego n kicked an insuted him infront of everyone.

Now regariding revealing secret of his brother n kingdom before Lord Ram I want to say that when Vivhishan changed his side he honestly served Lord Ram to fullest.

There is old saying "Ghar ka bhedi Lanka dhaaye". With due respect to the originator of this saying I want to say that I do not agree with it. Vibhishan was not against Lanka he was only aginst its unjust reign of Ravan. In earleir days there was no differnce between the King/Ruler n State/country/kingdom. But Vibhishan differntated between the two. Vibhishan was against the unjust ruler of Lanka n not Lanka. When Ravan has himself first disowned him infront of everyone explicitly the how he cud claim that Vibhishan played foul by helping Ram. Ravan was the first person who renounced this relation
Edited by coolpurvi - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
#29

Originally posted by: rajnish_here

very nice explanation vibhision👏



hey Rajnish is it u on bike😉
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: coolpurvi



hey Rajnish is it u on bike😉


shhhhhhh secret hai😃😆

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