Vibhishan---corect?

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rajnish kumar

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Posted: 16 years ago

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Originally posted by: amicuscurie

actully in ma opinion Vibhishan is the worst character in Ramayan.

i agree that he worship god but that doesnt mean he bluff his relatives i.e his real brother, real nephews

if he had nt disclose the secrets of their own family member then no ram can beat ravan

vibhishan was the weakest member of the family & he did this coz of the throne .

firstly he din't bluff his relatives. he tried to persuade his brother Ravan to return sita and apologize Ram. his brother did adharma and its duty of brother and being minister too to bring his brother or king in right direction. vibhision was doing his duty but Ravan out of his ego was not ready to listen to him anymore. his all ministers and sons were advising him the wrong way but only vibhision was there to tell the truth and bring the side of dharma. being king and being elder brother his brother should listen to him as its duty of a king to listen to his minister. truth is always bitter but a king should listen to only those who speaks truth and give better direction. Vibhision was speaking truth and was showing Ravan the correct way but inspite of listining to him Ravan kicked him out!! Does this signifies he bluffed or its Ravan who bluffed. then also vibhision followed his dharma, through suggestion of his mother and some devoted desh-bhakts he sided Ram. not for the thrown indeed but to save the innosent subjects of lanka whome ravan was throwing unnecessorly in war. vibhision joined Ram only to ensure that innocent people should not be punnished as in those times a winner king often kills the innosent people or through them away from kingdom. Although Sri Ram was not like that but this is the suggetion he recived from his family

Secondly vibhision was not weakest it need courage to oppose majority , and vibhision did this for the sake of dharma. This reveals his courage, in spite of knowing that speaking the truth he is going against the majority and king decision itself he has spoken. what about other minister who were realizing that what ravan did was wrong but din't spoke against him, do you call them couraziest and vibhison week!!😕 so vibhision was strongest minister in Ravan court. 👏👏

Originally posted by: amicuscurie

sab kehte hai ki vibhishan bohot bada bhakt tha but according to ramayan ravan is known as PRAKAND PANDIT he was the biggest devotee of Lord SHIVA

I am disagree with you here too. your definition of true bhakt is tottaly wrong. Ravan was great PANDIT no doubt, he was a great scholar but not a great bhakt like vibhision.
A gyani and a bhakt is two different. Ravan was gyani and bhakt of shiv but not greater than vibhision. A true bhakt is those who follow the ideals which his god ask him to follow, ravan bhakti has let him achived many powers, from god himself but he din't used it in right way. was lorn shiv said to ravan to use his chandrahas to kill innocent peoples to aquire power. absolutely not!! so he din't obeyed his lord in this way he was not a true devotee. His devotion and peanance has some selfish side too.
Vibhision on the other hand always followed the right path. his penance was as great as Ravan but he never asked any boon to aquire power rather he asked in his boon to become a true bhakt and always follow the path of dharma. inspite of being born in rakshash kul he had always led a life of saint and yogi. his ultimate aim is to aquire his lord love and afection. so vibhision is true devotee and a greater bhakt than Ravan😛. hats off to vibhision👏👏

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Janaki

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Posted: 16 years ago

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Originally posted by: rajnish_here

firstly he din't bluff his relatives. he tried to persuade his brother Ravan to return sita and apologize Ram. his brother did adharma and its duty of brother and being minister too to bring his brother or king in right direction. vibhision was doing his duty but Ravan out of his ego was not ready to listen to him anymore. his all ministers and sons were advising him the wrong way but only vibhision was there to tell the truth and bring the side of dharma. being king and being elder brother his brother should listen to him as its duty of a king to listen to his minister. truth is always bitter but a king should listen to only those who speaks truth and give better direction. Vibhision was speaking truth and was showing Ravan the correct way but inspite of listining to him Ravan kicked him out!! Does this signifies he bluffed or its Ravan who bluffed. then also vibhision followed his dharma, through suggestion of his mother and some devoted desh-bhakts he sided Ram. not for the thrown indeed but to save the innosent subjects of lanka whome ravan was throwing unnecessorly in war. vibhision joined Ram only to ensure that innocent people should not be punnished as in those times a winner king often kills the innosent people or through them away from kingdom. Although Sri Ram was not like that but this is the suggetion he recived from his family

Secondly vibhision was not weakest it need courage to oppose majority , and vibhision did this for the sake of dharma. This reveals his courage, in spite of knowing that speaking the truth he is going against the majority and king decision itself he has spoken. what about other minister who were realizing that what ravan did was wrong but din't spoke against him, do you call them couraziest and vibhison week!!😕 so vibhision was strongest minister in Ravan court. 👏👏

I am disagree with you here too. your definition of true bhakt is tottaly wrong. Ravan was great PANDIT no doubt, he was a great scholar but not a great bhakt like vibhision.
A gyani and a bhakt is two different. Ravan was gyani and bhakt of shiv but not greater than vibhision. A true bhakt is those who follow the ideals which his god ask him to follow, ravan bhakti has let him achived many powers, from god himself but he din't used it in right way. was lorn shiv said to ravan to use his chandrahas to kill innocent peoples to aquire power. absolutely not!! so he din't obeyed his lord in this way he was not a true devotee. His devotion and peanance has some selfish side too.
Vibhision on the other hand always followed the right path. his penance was as great as Ravan but he never asked any boon to aquire power rather he asked in his boon to become a true bhakt and always follow the path of dharma. inspite of being born in rakshash kul he had always led a life of saint and yogi. his ultimate aim is to aquire his lord love and afection. so vibhision is true devotee and a greater bhakt than Ravan😛. hats off to vibhision👏👏

Wow, I couldn't have said it better myself, Rajnish!👏 You're absolutely correct, and Vibhishan is one of the bravest characters in the Ramayana. It takes guts to oppose one's family and see their family members die, but for the sake of Dharma, Vibhishan did what he had to do. He's actually one of my favorite characters in the Ramayana (after Shri Ram, Sita Ma, and Lakshmanji of course) along with Sugreev, because those two characters are often the most misunderstood. People call them cowards and what else, but in fact, Vibhishanji and Sugriva are two of the bravest people in the Ramayana.

One thing people misunderstand about Vibhishanji: He was not on Shri Ram's side. He was on Dharma's side, and since Dharma was with Rama and not Ravana, he went to Rama. Vibhishanji got a boon from Lord Brahma that he would never stray from the path of righteousness, so no act of his can ever be condoned as wrong.

Ravan was a great gyana, as Rajnish said, but he was not a true bhakt of Shivji. Or else, why didn't he recognize Hanumanji as Lord Shiva when he came to Lanka? A true devotee recognizes his/her lord, and Ravan did not recognize Hanuman when he ordered him to release Sita with due respect. Instead, Ravan humiliated Hanumanji and set his tail on fire. Would a true devotee do that? A true bhakt also never uses his powers acquired from his Lord in the wrong way. Ravan used the scimitar Chandrahas (a boon from Lord Shiva) and the Pasupata to wreak havoc in the three worlds. He killed rishis who performed yanas to Hari, he wrongly defeated kingdoms through cheating and kidnapped/raped the wives of the Kings and Princes. Drunk with power and arrogance, he insulted the Gods and believed himself to be greater than even Yama Dharmaraja. How can anyone call this true devotee behavior, and say Vibhishan's was cowardly? It was Ravan who acted in a cowardly manner, abducting Sitaji when Ramji and Lakshmanji were away. If he really had to power to defeat Shri Ram, why didn't he challenge him openly instead of resorting to his cheap tricks? That's because he knew in his heart that Shri Ram was stronger than him, and with one arrow (if he wished), he could destroy him and his entire Lanka.

Ravan knew/studied all the Vedas and Scriptures. He knew what was Dharma and Adharma. Yet, he chose to do Adharma, because he, in his arrogance, felt that not even the Gods could punish him if he did Adharma. He felt himself greater than even Sri Hari, and was convinced that Lord Shiva and Lord Brahma would never kill him since they blessed him.

I agree that Ravan was a great devotee of Lord Shiva, or else he never would have been blessed by him, but he wasn't a true/ideal devotee, or else he would have recognized his beloved Lord Shiva when Hanuman came to Lanka.

One other thing to remember: Shri Ram would never have accepted Vibhishan if Vibhishanji had cowardly/selfish intentions in his heart. Vibhishanji never wanted the throne, even after Ravan died, but it was Shri Ram who throned Vibhishan. Vibhishan had a pure heart, and his mind was always set towards Dharma. Sometimes, it is necessary to go against family members to uphold Dharma. It is not wrong then, especially when one assists the Supreme Lord in his endeavor.

In the Mahabharata, Shri Krishna himself told the Pandavas that they were doing no wrong by fighting against their Grandsire, Bhishma Pitamah, and their gurus, Dronacharya and Kripacharya, because it was necessary to uphold Dharma. The entire Bhagavad Gita talks about how one must do their Duty/Dharma, meditate on the Supreme Lord, and think of nothing else. If one always has a pure mind, and prays to God sincerely, he/she will never do wrong, and they will always be on the path of Dharma. Vibhishan is a great example of this. He was a great person who went against his family for the sake of truth. Family bonds are after all only something that binds us to Earth. Our soul is what is truly eternal, and the soul can never part from the Supreme Lord. Vibhishan's soul recognized Shri Ram as Lord Vishnu, the Supreme Lord Narayana. That's why he joined him. Once our soul recognizes God, it can never part from him.

Vibhishan was the true devotee, as he recognized his Lord, while Ravan did not recognize his.

Where there is Dharma, there is God, and where there is God, there is victory. That's why, though Lanka's army and King were impenetrable and nearly impossible to defeat, they were killed, not because of Vibhishan. God left Lanka the day Ravan performed the greatest Adharma of all by abducting a Mahasati like Sitaji. That's why he did not win. Vibhishan was only an instrument in fulfilling the Lord's purpose, just like the Pandavas were mere instruments in fulfilling Lord Krishna's divine plan.

Vibhishan was not a coward, but one of the greatest and bravest people in history.

Jai Shri Ram!

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rajnish kumar

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Posted: 16 years ago

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well said lallitha di👏👍🏼

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desichica

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Posted: 16 years ago

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Wonderful explanations by both Rajnish and Lalita!!!!! You know one thing i dont understand is y ppl have a hard time accepting the fact that Vibhishan in fact was a GOOD soul...if he wasn't, the LORD himself would not have chosen to have taken any aid from Vibhishan...but it is said in Mahabharat also: "Ponder over why you have taken birth on this earth created by the Lord, each has a task already pre-planned by the Lord and it is our duty to fulfill that task and not waste time."

The Lord is the ever-knowing and Ultimate truth....but when he took Avataar in form of Shree Ram, he came in the form of fulfilling HIS duty as a normal human being!!!!!! He had to go thru being separated from his mother, losing his father, being banished to the Jungles for 14 years, free the world from Demons, be separated from his beloved Sita Mata, meeting Hanumanji & Sugreev..........Ultimately these were all means for Shree Ram to get to Ravan and destroy the whole Rakshaas Kul...and like Rajnish said, Vibhishan did try his level best to persuade his brother of returning Sita mata to Shree Ram...Ravan being the egotistic demon he was, could not digest the fact his brother kept referring Ram as Shree Ram ended up insulting his brother in front of the Raj court......

Maybe one should put themselves in the shoes of the Vibhishan for one second....and if they were humiliated as he was, what wud they do???!!!!! Like the Lord says: You can't side with evil even if they are your own...it is your duty to attempt to correct the wrong, if its not being heard or no action is taken and you still side with the wrong, your just as guilty as the person committing the crime!!!!! NO matter what the relationship is between the sinner and the one trying to do good!!!

Also how the common assumption of Vibhishan wanting the crown of Lanka is just gotta be ignorance for one not to comprehend the mere fact that if the LORD HIMSELF has promised Vibhishan to be the king of Lanka, who is Vibhishan to decline the throne and who is he to insult the LORD's decision!!!!!!!

I have stated the same things in a similar thread before..but am repeating what i have said for the sole purpose of giving light to Vibhishan's character!!!!!

I apologize if I have hurt ne1 in this post of mine...it is not at all my purpose, but want to clear the common misconception on Vibhishan!!!!

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Posted: 16 years ago

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Lalitha...i love the way how u explained on how Ravan was not a true bhakt of Shivji because a true devotee wud recognize his Lord in any form....Just as Hanumanji recognized Shree Krishna in Dwapar Yug!!!!! I actually never thought of that before until i saw ur explanation!!!! Really an awesome explanation!!!

Now Hanuman Dada (that's how i refer to HIM as 😃) is the truest of true devotee i have known to be of the LORD!!!!!

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Originally posted by: desichica

Wonderful explanation Vibhishna...cudn't have said it better myself!!!!!

Definitely agree with you, Vibhishna! Like Suniti said, I couldn't have said it better myself unless I had to make a rhyme! I love to write rhymes. I will let it go this time!😆😆

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in my eyes ,vibhishan did the right thing !!!!

as vibhishan was a great soul so he helped his GOD lord VISHNU in his mission of ending all monsters on earth & as vibhsihan followed the footsteps of his father rishi vishrawa ,he was a true brahmin ,so he had all the great qualities !!!

vibhsiahn ji was a great soul !!!! his scarifice cannot b described in words !!!!

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Janaki

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Originally posted by: sita11
in my eyes ,vibhishan did the right thing !!!!

as vibhishan was a great soul so he helped his GOD lord VISHNU in his mission of ending all monsters on earth & as vibhsihan followed the footsteps of his father rishi vishrawa ,he was a true brahmin ,so he had all the great qualities !!!

vibhsiahn ji was a great soul !!!! his scarifice cannot b described in words !!!!

👏⭐️Well said!⭐️👏

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Janaki

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Originally posted by: desichica
Wonderful explanations by both Rajnish and Lalita!!!!! You know one thing i dont understand is y ppl have a hard time accepting the fact that Vibhishan in fact was a GOOD soul...if he wasn't, the LORD himself would not have chosen to have taken any aid from Vibhishan...but it is said in Mahabharat also: "Ponder over why you have taken birth on this earth created by the Lord, each has a task already pre-planned by the Lord and it is our duty to fulfill that task and not waste time."

The Lord is the ever-knowing and Ultimate truth....but when he took Avataar in form of Shree Ram, he came in the form of fulfilling HIS duty as a normal human being!!!!!! He had to go thru being separated from his mother, losing his father, being banished to the Jungles for 14 years, free the world from Demons, be separated from his beloved Sita Mata, meeting Hanumanji & Sugreev..........Ultimately these were all means for Shree Ram to get to Ravan and destroy the whole Rakshaas Kul...and like Rajnish said, Vibhishan did try his level best to persuade his brother of returning Sita mata to Shree Ram...Ravan being the egotistic demon he was, could not digest the fact his brother kept referring Ram as Shree Ram ended up insulting his brother in front of the Raj court......

Maybe one should put themselves in the shoes of the Vibhishan for one second....and if they were humiliated as he was, what wud they do???!!!!! Like the Lord says: You can't side with evil even if they are your own...it is your duty to attempt to correct the wrong, if its not being heard or no action is taken and you still side with the wrong, your just as guilty as the person committing the crime!!!!! NO matter what the relationship is between the sinner and the one trying to do good!!!

Also how the common assumption of Vibhishan wanting the crown of Lanka is just gotta be ignorance for one not to comprehend the mere fact that if the LORD HIMSELF has promised Vibhishan to be the king of Lanka, who is Vibhishan to decline the throne and who is he to insult the LORD's decision!!!!!!!

I have stated the same things in a similar thread before..but am repeating what i have said for the sole purpose of giving light to Vibhishan's character!!!!!

I apologize if I have hurt ne1 in this post of mine...it is not at all my purpose, but want to clear the common misconception on Vibhishan!!!!