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Vrish

@Vr15h

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Posted: 16 years ago

#61

Originally posted by: godisone
Heehee😆. Yeah, I meant "if he had seen Sita". I must have bungled up the words. Thanks for pointing it out.
And offhand question: How do you post youtube videos without the link thing?

Within YOUTUBE tags, with your YouTube URL in between. No other tags - URL, IMG or anything.

I don't know how this will work on IE, but on FireFox, you'll get a clean post without the text that appears.

Edited by Chandraketu - 16 years ago

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desichica

@desichica

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Posted: 16 years ago

#62

Originally posted by: sharath rocha

Look desichika I am not trying to make any chaos.... dont u try to act smart. I am only providing information from valmiki ramayan with exact verse number as prof so that other member should know the other side which has been kept a secret from them by brahmin conspiracy. got it.. stop spreading wrong rumors okay😡

sita11- u need to ask your guru muraribapu that he ever read valmiki ramayan😲. what about prof which i had given😉. can u say it is wrong

listen here sharath rocha...or wutever the heck u really are...dont use ur two-sense in telling me that i dont need to act smart.......i dont TRY to act smart...I AM smart......i obviously dont look at flaws in GODS and his good deeds.......which u seem to be an expert at that, so i guess i'll let u have the gold medal on that one...hands down u win in that department "genius"!!!!!!!!!!

Oh and as far as u telling sita that her guru murari bapu, i live in america and i know who is murari bapu!!!!!! U seriously need some mental help for even asking a ridiculous question as of murari bapu reading ramayan......and as far as u giving ur so called ridiculous proofs on valmiki ramayan, yes u ARE WRONG!!!!!! Go check majority of ur posts are ridiculous and ppl have been replying to ur nonsense topics on how they think its wrong for u to make such posts!!!!!! I guess ur such a genius we shud believe ur so called verses from Valmiki ramayan!

Lastly.....since u felt obliged to respond to my post that was directed at akhl........I wasnt talking to u, so u better learn to respond when ur asked or if its directed to u lil boy!!!!!!

You better check urself before you wreck yourself!!!!!!

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rajnish kumar

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Posted: 16 years ago

#63

Originally posted by: desichica

listen here sharath rocha...or wutever the heck u really are....dont use ur two-sense in telling me that i dont need to act smart.......i dont TRY to act smart...I AM smart......i obviously dont look at flaws in GODS and his good deeds.......which u seem to be an expert at that, so i guess i'll let u have the gold medal on that one...hands down u win in that department "genius"!!!!!!!!!!

Oh and as far as u telling sita that her guru murari bapu, i live in america and i know who is murari bapu!!!!!! U seriously need some mental help for even asking a ridiculous question as of murari bapu reading ramayan......and as far as u giving ur so called ridiculous proofs on valmiki ramayan, yes u ARE WRONG!!!!!! Go check majority of ur posts are ridiculous and ppl have been replying to ur nonsense topics on how they think its wrong for u to make such posts!!!!!! I guess ur such a genius we shud believe ur so called verses from Valmiki ramayan!

Lastly.....since u felt obliged to respond to my post that was directed at akhl........I wasnt talking to u, so u better learn to respond when ur asked or if its directed to u lil boy!!!!!!

You better check urself before you wreck yourself!!!!!!

well said suniti member sarath rocha seriously need some medical treatment 😆 oh brother get well soon😛😃😛
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akhl

@akhl

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Posted: 16 years ago

#64

Sharath,

I gave the following reply to you in another thread. I am typing the same here because it is relevant.

Here are the reasons why people take your posts to heart.
Since the time you have joined this forum, almost all of your posts have been controversia and are such that they have hurt many members. You may argue that you are merely providing information from the book. Fine enough. But it is important to keep in mind that things, when not taken with proper context, are often misleading.
Let us see some posts of yours.

Laxman slept during the exile - Consider somebody who has heard a lot of the praises of Laxman. But he does not know the complete story behind why Laxman is praised so much. You go to him and say, "People think that Laxman cared so much for Ram and Sita that he never slept during the exile. But there is a verse in Ramayan, which says that he did sleep."
What will he think? He will think, "What? Laxman slept during exile? This means he was not so great a brother."
But when we read the complete story of Ramayan, we find how great a brother Laxman was. The way he took care of Ram and Sita is really unparallaled.

Ram ate meat - Some translations say that Ram ate meat and some say he did not. You may argue that the translation you are quoting from is also well-accepted. But consider a scenario. You go to somebody and say, "Hey, do you know something? People say that Ram was great. He never ate meat. But see I have a translation. It clearly says that Ram, Sita and Laxman did eat meat. What will be his reaction? He will think, "What? Ram ate meat? Hindus are wrong. They praise Ram for wrong reasons. He was not as great as he is made out to be." But on knowing the complete story of Ramayan, we understand Ram's greatness.

Ram killed Vali from hiding - Killing anybody from hiding is often considered cowardice. But not always. Nothing is absolutely good or bad. Depending on the situation, the same thing can be good or bad. For example, telling a lie is bad. But there are situations where telling the truth is worse than telling lie, so in that situation, telling lie is good. The same can be said about shooting at somebody from hiding.
Imagine a situation. Consider two people A and B. A is always torturing B. You know that you should save B from A and you also know that you have the right to save B from A. You also know that you cannot save B by fighting with A in face-to-face war. What will you think? Will you fight with A face-to-face so that you are killed and A continues to torture B? Will you not fight at all and let A continue to torture B? Both of these will be wrong decisions. When you are forced in such a situation, then attacking A from hiding is justified because of simple reason that all other options are worse.
Often, in life, it happens that whatever options we have are all bad. But we have to choose an option. So, in such a situation, we should choose an option, which is best (i.e. the least bad) of the given options.
It is important to add here that, being Lord Vishnu's incarnation, the boon to Vali could affect Ram only if Ram wanted it to take effect. If Ram wished that he should kill Vali in face-to-face war, then no boon could stop him. But it was his choice to not to violate the boon. He knew that ordinary mortals cannot violate such boons. He wanted to show what a person must do when faced with such a situation. As I explained, when faced with such a situation, attacking from hiding is good because other options are worse.

Vibhishan joined the army of his brother's enemy - When we tell this to somebody without telling why Vibhishan had to do this. Then he will immediately start hating Vibhishan. But, on knowing the complete context, he will find justice in Vibhishan's actions.

IMPORTANT - It is possible that even on knowing the complete context, some people may have opinions opposing to mine - just like your opinions are different from mine and from many other members of this forum. But, at least, they will form an opinion after knowing the complete detail. Stating an incident in isolation and without the context is misleading and it is wrong to mislead people.

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akhl

@akhl

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Posted: 16 years ago

#65

If we want to find faults, then no matter whatever somebody does, we can find fault. When there are so many nice things to learn from Ramayan, why not learn those? Why waste time in nit-picking?

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Vrish

@Vr15h

Stunner

+ 6

Posted: 16 years ago

#66

Originally posted by: akhl
Sharath,
I gave the following reply to you in another thread. I am typing the same here because it is relevant.

Here are the reasons why people take your posts to heart.
Since the time you have joined this forum, almost all of your posts have been controversia and are such that they have hurt many members. You may argue that you are merely providing information from the book. Fine enough. But it is important to keep in mind that things, when not taken with proper context, are often misleading.
Let us see some posts of yours.

Laxman slept during the exile - Consider somebody who has heard a lot of the praises of Laxman. But he does not know the complete story behind why Laxman is praised so much. You go to him and say, "People think that Laxman cared so much for Ram and Sita that he never slept during the exile. But there is a verse in Ramayan, which says that he did sleep."
What will he think? He will think, "What? Laxman slept during exile? This means he was not so great a brother."
But when we read the complete story of Ramayan, we find how great a brother Laxman was. The way he took care of Ram and Sita is really unparallaled.

Ram ate meat - Some translations say that Ram ate meat and some say he did not. You may argue that the translation you are quoting from is also well-accepted. But consider a scenario. You go to somebody and say, "Hey, do you know something? People say that Ram was great. He never ate meat. But see I have a translation. It clearly says that Ram, Sita and Laxman did eat meat. What will be his reaction? He will think, "What? Ram ate meat? Hindus are wrong. They praise Ram for wrong reasons. He was not as great as he is made out to be." But on knowing the complete story of Ramayan, we understand Ram's greatness.

Ram killed Vali from hiding - Killing anybody from hiding is often considered cowardice. But not always. Nothing is absolutely good or bad. Depending on the situation, the same thing can be good or bad. For example, telling a lie is bad. But there are situations where telling the truth is worse than telling lie, so in that situation, telling lie is good. The same can be said about shooting at somebody from hiding.
Imagine a situation. Consider two people A and B. A is always torturing B. You know that you should save B from A and you also know that you have the right to save B from A. You also know that you cannot save B by fighting with A in face-to-face war. What will you think? Will you fight with A face-to-face so that you are killed and A continues to torture B? Will you not fight at all and let A continue to torture B? Both of these will be wrong decisions. When you are forced in such a situation, then attacking A from hiding is justified because of simple reason that all other options are worse.
Often, in life, it happens that whatever options we have are all bad. But we have to choose an option. So, in such a situation, we should choose an option, which is best (i.e. the least bad) of the given options.
It is important to add here that, being Lord Vishnu's incarnation, the boon to Vali could affect Ram only if Ram wanted it to take effect. If Ram wished that he should kill Vali in face-to-face war, then no boon could stop him. But it was his choice to not to violate the boon. He knew that ordinary mortals cannot violate such boons. He wanted to show what a person must do when faced with such a situation. As I explained, when faced with such a situation, attacking from hiding is good because other options are worse.

Vibhishan joined the army of his brother's enemy - When we tell this to somebody without telling why Vibhishan had to do this. Then he will immediately start hating Vibhishan. But, on knowing the complete context, he will find justice in Vibhishan's actions.

IMPORTANT - It is possible that even on knowing the complete context, some people may have opinions opposing to mine - just like your opinions are different from mine and from many other members of this forum. But, at least, they will form an opinion after knowing the complete detail. Stating an incident in isolation and without the context is misleading and it is wrong to mislead people.

I agree. I think that some of the points mentioned by Sharath above would be okay if brought up within context in a discussion, like the one about Lakshman sleeping. Like let's say, in a discussion, it's mentioned that Indrajit could only be killed by one who hasn't slept for 12 years, then it's relevant to mention that as Chitrakoot showed, Lakshman did occasionally sleep lightly, and wasn't a serial insomniac. But bringing it out on its own and making it the subject of a thread makes it look like an attempt to undermine Lakshman's reputation, rather than a contextual correction in the midst of a discussion.

On the meat thing too, Sharath did the wrong thing by coming out with threads with titles 'meat eater Rama', as though that was central to anything. But if a translation does reveal that Rama did eat meat, then why is it helpful on the part of others to try and re-write events, instead of simply accepting that he did, and move on? Like the example I provided the other day on the same thread, say in 3000AD, a majority of Hindus are vegans. Would it then be okay for somebody from that era to deny that Krishna ate butter any more than it would be for anyone to denounce him for eating butter? Both would need to have their heads examined - one for re-writing history, and another for denouncing somebody for not following norms not prevailent in his time.

One thing strange I noticed about Sharath is that while he seems to think that there is a Brahmin conspiracy to re-write the Ramayan, he uses Manu's smritis to define what was dharm and what wasn't in his analysis of what Vibhishan did, and used the precedence levels set there to define whether what Vibhishan did was right or wrong. Reason that's strange is that usually, critics of Rama (such as Ambedkar) are also very vocal critics of Manu's smritis for various reasons. It's therefore a curious source of defining what was wrong with Vibhishan's actions.

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Janaki

@RamKiSeeta

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Posted: 16 years ago

#67

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

Within YOUTUBE tags, with your YouTube URL in between. No other tags - URL, IMG or anything.

I don't know how this will work on IE, but on FireFox, you'll get a clean post without the text that appears.

Thanks😃

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Janaki

@RamKiSeeta

Achiever

+ 6

Posted: 16 years ago

#68

Originally posted by: desichica

listen here sharath rocha...or wutever the heck u really are...dont use ur two-sense in telling me that i dont need to act smart.......i dont TRY to act smart...I AM smart......i obviously dont look at flaws in GODS and his good deeds.......which u seem to be an expert at that, so i guess i'll let u have the gold medal on that one...hands down u win in that department "genius"!!!!!!!!!!

Oh and as far as u telling sita that her guru murari bapu, i live in america and i know who is murari bapu!!!!!! U seriously need some mental help for even asking a ridiculous question as of murari bapu reading ramayan......and as far as u giving ur so called ridiculous proofs on valmiki ramayan, yes u ARE WRONG!!!!!! Go check majority of ur posts are ridiculous and ppl have been replying to ur nonsense topics on how they think its wrong for u to make such posts!!!!!! I guess ur such a genius we shud believe ur so called verses from Valmiki ramayan!

Lastly.....since u felt obliged to respond to my post that was directed at akhl........I wasnt talking to u, so u better learn to respond when ur asked or if its directed to u lil boy!!!!!!

You better check urself before you wreck yourself!!!!!!

what's with the Brahmin Conspiracy? Is this guy a Brahmin Hater or something?

From akhl - Removed some sentences.

Edited by akhl - 16 years ago

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Aishwarya

@muffins2waffles

Inactive

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Posted: 16 years ago

#69

Originally posted by: sharath rocha

Look desichika I am not trying to make any chaos.... dont u try to act smart. I am only providing information from valmiki ramayan with exact verse number as prof so that other member should know the other side which has been kept a secret from them by brahmin conspiracy. got it.. stop spreading wrong rumors okay😡

sita11- u need to ask your guru muraribapu that he ever read valmiki ramayan😲. what about prof which i had given😉. can u say it is wrong

Hmm...let's take some time to think about this.... OF COURSE YOUR PROOF IS WRONG, IT"S COMPLETELY USELESS!!!! So please don't get me angry because I have temper problems!!!

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akhl

@akhl

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Posted: 16 years ago

#70

Originally posted by: sharath rocha
sita11- u need to ask your guru muraribapu that he ever read valmiki ramayan😲. what about prof which i had given😉. can u say it is wrong

Stop this NONSENSE immediately. It is a big insult to make such a comment on somebody's guru. When you joined, then in one post, you wrote that you have not only read but studied scriptures. I was very happy that here is somebody with good knowledge in scriptures. But my happiness was short-lived because you do not even know what is the meaning of studying something.

I personally know a person. If you tell him to study Newton's laws, then he will memorize the three laws of Newton and claim that he has studied Newton's laws. That is what you are doing. You have memorized certain things and claim that you have studied. That is not the way to study. You have to really get the essence but from your posts, it is quite clear that you do not want to even get the essence.

Read scriptures properly and you will see the treasure in them.

I am amazed at your guts that you consider yourself so much capable that you can judge Ram and Laxman.

It is obvious that you have made up your mind to criticize all those who are considered great. You are ignoring the great teachings that Ram gave not only with words but also with his actions, you are ignoring how selfless he was that he happily gave the kingdom to his brother Bharat and himself went into exile even though, if he wanted, he could have easily become the king, you are ignoring how much he was loved by the people, you are ignoring how nicely he behaved with Shabri, you are ignoring how he freed Ahalya from her curse, you are ignoring how he saved the sages from evil monsters, and you are ignoring many other endless good qualities in Ram, you are ignoring what a great brother Laxman was that he happily went into exile even though, as per Kaikeyi's demand, there was no need for him to go into forest, you are ignoring how he served his brother and sister-in-law completely foregoing his own pleasure, you are ignoring how he cared for Ram and Sita more than his life, you are ignoring many actions of Laxman, which show that his dedication towards his brother is unparallaled, you are ignoring the good suggestions that Vibhishan gave to Ravan but Ravan kicked him out of Lanka.

And what do you do? You keep on nit-picking by pointing out what Ram ate, how much Laxman slept, Vibhishan deserted his brother (and ignoring why he had to do so) etc.

Stop this immediately. Learn Ramayan with shraddha.

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