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rupali pandey

@rupalip

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Posted: 16 years ago

#1251

Originally posted by: bhopalyellow
u r right chatter di....even i want to share that even though we all have been a big fan of Praphulla ji since beganing bt coz of his some extraordinary work in his last episode while conversing with ravana.....he made me realize that it is not only him being a good actor but Indrajeet too was a gr8 warrior and he made it so well that at the last i felt ki kash indrajeet ki death na hui hoti.....😭

PRAPHULLA JI .....if u read this then i wud sincearly like to say thanks to u coz u changed my thought towards THE GREAT WARROIR and a gr8 SON and a very sweet husband----INDRAJEET😛

exactly jasleen

after watching all last 2 3 episodes

I also wanted vibhishan to die instead of IJ

IJ was not that bad

he did all for his father and family

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@chatterbox

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Posted: 16 years ago

#1252

@ chandra i forgot to write above when i was laughing so hard at what u wrote there about rakshasi fixation

anyways the last point abt widows shown

that i didnt like i mean why random females there where was dhanyamalini o hok she was ravans wife but she lost her son and vajramala sulochana she had jsut lost her husband why they were not shown

honestly this part cud hv been handled well

one more thing is buggin me

why did they not show funeral of any rakshas ok forget any rakshas why no funeral shot was shown of indrajeet atleast

he was crownprince or yuvraaj of lanka and he was accorded state funeral right

and i read somewhere ravan wanted ceasefire for a day so he cud cremate his son and ram asks him that he wants to attend too

if the saagars show this it wud be good but i think time hs gone now its some fierce battle now final one

according to pics juhi posted

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Vrish

@Vr15h

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Posted: 16 years ago

#1253

Originally posted by: chatterbox
@ chandra i forgot to write above when i was laughing so hard at what u wrote there about rakshasi fixation

anyways the last point abt widows shown

that i didnt like i mean why random females there where was dhanyamalini o hok she was ravans wife but she lost her son and vajramala sulochana she had jsut lost her husband why they were not shown

honestly this part cud hv been handled well

one more thing is buggin me

why did they not show funeral of any rakshas ok forget any rakshas why no funeral shot was shown of indrajeet atleast

he was crownprince or yuvraaj of lanka and he was accorded state funeral right

and i read somewhere ravan wanted ceasefire for a day so he cud cremate his son and ram asks him that he wants to attend too

if the saagars show this it wud be good but i think time hs gone now its some fierce battle now final one

according to pics juhi posted

Chatter

You are right. After Prahast and Makaraksh, nobody's funeral was shown - not even Meghnad's. 😕 Surely Prahast wasn't that high on the totem pole? Only thing here - Dhanya, like Mandodari, was not yet a widow.

Which takes us to todays show. Why is it now only the Mandodari & Shurpanakha show? And what are the Sagars trying to do here - create sympathy for Shurpanakha, of all people? 😕😕😕 After they spot Ravan through the cracks wailing away at Indrajit's portrait, they both start crying, and after a while, Shurpanakha tries to stab herself, holding herself responsible for Ravan's grief. What's this if not a brazen attempt to create sympathy for her? 😕😕😕 And who's the Shurpanakha fan in the Sagar team? And this Sagar team seems to have a love affair with slaps - from what I have seen in this serial so far, today was #4 - Mandodari slaps Shurpanakha to knock the dagger off her hand (after Sumitra slapping Manthara, Sita slapping the Rakshashis and Mandodari slapping Vajramala, to date). What's that all about?

Another interesting side-note - while everybody else had photographic portraits, Indrajit's seemed hand drawn. Maybe the Sagars could have hired our Kushagra 😆

Another major boo boo today - Sugriv referring to Indra as his father and addressing him as 'pitashri'. Sugriv was Surya-deva's son, while Vali was Indra's.

Edited by Chandraketu - 16 years ago

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Vibhishna

@Vibhishna

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Posted: 16 years ago

#1254

I don't remember reading anything about Surpanakha after she instigates Ravan to kidnap her. Though she may have teased Sita when she was in Ashok Vatika.

I have no idea what happened to her after the war. My guess is that Vibhishan took care of her after the war. She was his sister after all. And after all this, it is possible that she realised her mistakes and lived quietly or tried (though I doubt it) to be good the rest of her life. (This is my guess - I'm not sure about this.)

I too think that the war was held off for a day to perfrom Indrajeet's last rites. When kings and crown princes die in a war, the war will be held off till for a period of time. This was considered good war ethics.

Sometimes, the period of time differed depending on the cultures of both the sides or with mutual consent from both sides.

Edited by Vibhishna - 16 years ago

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Vrish

@Vr15h

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Posted: 16 years ago

#1255

Vibs

That's correct - nothing is known about Shurpanakha after the abduction of Sita, and I'd be interested to know whether the depictions in this serial originates from any script. This is the first time I've seen her so extensively covered.

One point my father made to me the other day when they were showing those Ayodhya scenes was that since nobody has read all the Ramayan translations, nobody therefore knows whether anything is in a text or completely inserted, and therefore, it is more difficult to refute any composite of the various translations that anyone comes up with.

She is among the most hated characters in the epic, but few even know that she was widowed by Ravan himself, and to that extent, deserves one's sympathy. However, unlike the widows of the time who lived a very austere life, she seems to have had unlimited power after moving to Janasthana. Another curious thing in this serial is that while all the Rakshashi widows here usually donned white, Shurpanakha, who too was a widow, was completely the party animal. Didn't she follow the same traditions as the rest of the family?

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Vibhishna

@Vibhishna

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Posted: 16 years ago

#1256

Its completely true that no one has read all the translations and hence we do not know which is an insertion and which is not.

About Shurpanakha, the story of her being married is completely new to me. The only time I've heard the name Shambar (the name of Shurpanakha's son in this serial was Shambar right?) was - Shambar was the demon Maharaj Dashrath fought with Kaikeyi as his charioteer. I myself had the doubt how she was allowed to wear colours after being widowed.

This story and Bharath getting injured (the episode telecasted in March, I think - where the four brothers are ambushed by the rivals from the Swyamvar) were completely new to me. I had tried finding out where these stories had originated from. Some of my friends said that they remember reading it somewhere but nothing more than that.

There are many variations in each Ramayan version. The story of Hanuman meeting Bharath can be found in Tulsidas's Ramcharita Manas but not in Valmiki's Ramayan. There was no mention of Ayodhya as far as I know in Valmiki's Ramayan after Ram leaves Chitrakoot. Uttar Kand was written by Tulsidas and not Valmiki. Similarly the Tamil version written by Kamban also ends with Sri Ram's coronation. The Uttar Kanda in Tamil was written separately by a poet called Ottakoothar. Not only in Tulsidas Ramayan, but there are variations in each and every version written in a different language.

The Tamil version - Kamba Ramayan (originaly titled Ramavataar but later renamed in honour of the poet Kamban who wrote it) has quite interesting variations (like Dashraath's last rites, Sita's kidnap by Ravan, Ayomukhi, the Nagapasha incident) but the poet (Kamban) had followed Valmiki Ramayan. Some of the variations were made to suit the South Indian Culture (some were made just for the story's sake).

The rest of the versions in India more or less resemble one of these three - Valmiki, Tulsidas or Kamba Ramayana.

One of the foreign versions (Thai or Korean, I don't remember) says that Ram married Sita only after the Lanka war giving the reason that they had no children till they came back to Ayodhya (Again I don't know for sure as to which version this is from).

Apart from this so many side stories have come up. I have no idea whether it is true or whether people have just exhibited their creativity.

Another important thing is that throughout our history (not only India but the world in general) it is those (the poets and historians of the kings) who are victorious in war write and record the events. Since its the victors who have decided the history, its possible that many stories may have been hidden or lost. And it is possible that some people (probably the ones on the losing side) may have handed some of the true stories to their future generations verbally.

I do not know how to differentiate which is the true story and which is not. As Maharishi Valmiki was the one who wrote Ramayan first, I think that was the original story. Maybe someday I can learn Sanskrit and read it for myself. I have only read the translations till now.

Apologies for the too long reply. I hope no one got bored with this.

Edited by Vibhishna - 16 years ago

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Mallika113

@Mallika113

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Posted: 16 years ago

#1257

Hey guys! Eventhough I am away from home, I am checking up on my favorite club in the whole wide world! You are all doing great!

Chandra, what's this about Shurpanakha? I do agree that they should have shown D.Malini and Sulochana again! I have not seen the videos yet. Have been reading Sita's updates only. The episode sounds great!

Chatter, missing you big time. Love all of you guys!

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@chatterbox

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Posted: 16 years ago

#1258

hey guys i m just reading all ur posts

funny and interesting

look who is getting the coverage here in this club the one of the most hated characters

somone surely is fan of suprankha

i wud get back on the rest later

mallika me miss u too big time

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Vrish

@Vr15h

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Posted: 16 years ago

#1259

Vibs

Everything you wrote above is correct, except for the part about Uttarkand. In Valmiki, Uttarkand is kanda 7.

In Tulsidas, there is an Uttarkand, but that delves into the story of kagbhushandi narrating the Ramayan to Garuda. It does not cover Luv-Kush. In the appendix, there is a Luv-Kush Kand, which describes Sita's exile, Luv-Kush's battle with Rama's army, et al. (Incidentally, this seems to be where the phrase 'Luv-Kush' started: Valmiki always referred to them as Kush-Luv since Kush was elder, and that's a convention I consciously try and follow)

Also, in Valmiki's Uttarkand, the entire history of Ravan is narrated to Rama by rishis visiting him - in fact, the first half of Uttarkand is just that. In it, you'll find out about Shurpanakha's hubby being killed by Ravan, as depicted accurately in this serial.

Mallika

Thanks for dropping in. I'll be posting a video here later (see below)- you can watch it right here!

Chatter

I'm going to prove that I'm not 'fixated' on Shurpanakha by posting a video of her, Mandodari's and Ravan's vilaap later. 😆😆😆 It's a composite of parts of the last 2 episodes.

Edited by Chandraketu - 16 years ago