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Samiksha Birla

@Savi13

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Posted: 16 years ago

#21

Originally posted by: rupalip
Thanks Purvi for starting this lovely discussion ,
I have lot to say on this as I read a lot on this relationship...

Thanks sita n Purvi ........

n thanks I dint knew of Bhart as Arjun...

We read here that Bharat incarnated from Vishnujis disk or conch ...

and I read somewhere

Vishnuji himself came as Pandavas

All Pandavs wre Vishnujis Ansh and Krishna ji is complete Vishnji

As Draupadi is known as second laxmiji ... so

so it that means the other pandav are also incarniation of someone....

or is just the case why Krishnaji is so close to Arjun....

well yes somewhere i also read about Pandavas as Vishnu and so about the Draupadi ...

thanks di...

@ purvi that can be the reason that Shatrughan has reincarniated himself...

Originally posted by: rajnish_here
purvi di my que is lakshman ji is incarnation of sheshnag and sulochana is wife of meghnath and daughter of sheshnag. what is the detail of this story i mean how meghnath and sulochna married. there is some kind of curse given to meghnath by sheshnag what is that curse??😊

i didn't knew that she was daughter of Shesh Naag...Thanks rajnish

well what all he went through when he need to kill his son-in-law even in the incarniation form

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Samiksha Birla

@Savi13

Dazzler

Posted: 16 years ago

#22

Originally posted by: coolpurvi

Vaishnavi once told that Sulochana was daughter of Sheshnag of Nag lok. Meghnath forcibly abducts her n marres her then Sheshnag or Adishesh ( I m not sure) reincarnates as Laxman to take the revenge of it

But this story is not supported by well Valmiki Ramayan

ohhh..then this thing totaly contradics with Chandersena story as Sulochna was pati Vrata Lady and she got sati... with Meghnath...and Chandersena who was again a naag kanya....her situation is totally reverse..

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purvi

@coolpurvi

Voyager

Posted: 16 years ago

#23

Originally posted by: sam1903

so it that means the other pandav are also incarniation of someone....

or is just the case why Krishnaji is so close to Arjun....

well yes somewhere i also read about Pandavas as Vishnu and so about the Draupadi ...

thanks di...

@ purvi that can be the reason that Shatrughan has reincarniated himself...

already answered abt pandavs. But I read in Yagyaseni that Draupadi is incarnation of Laxmi Ansh not complete incarnation of her

Originally posted by: sam1903

i didn't knew that she was daughter of Shesh Naag...Thanks rajnish

well what all he went through when he need to kill his son-in-law even in the incarniation form

I m also confused. Sulochana was daughter of King of Naglok or patal. But sheshnag resides in abode of Vishnu not patala or naglok

r they same or differnent? I m confused

Edited by coolpurvi - 16 years ago

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purvi

@coolpurvi

Voyager

Posted: 16 years ago

#24

Originally posted by: sam1903
Sitaji and Lakshmanji both are the soul of Ramji...
and see the contradicton he abandoned both of them...and

both of them did not died after that one through(Sitaji) the way of earth went to Vishnu's adobe

and Lakshmanji got into his original form of Shesh Naag...and went to Vishnu Lok...

Hey Is it just the contradiction or there is some reason.....behind it...

if anybody knows it plz. telll...

yup what a tregic separation. circumstances made him to abandon his most loved ones

once Rupali di told that Lord Ram was Maanglik. not sure this might be the reason. Regarding separation from Sita the curse from Bhrigu n some Ayodhya people r responsible

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rupali pandey

@rupalip

Inactive

Posted: 16 years ago

#25

ok sam here I go

yes very true, we all think in same way.. just imagine Bharats feeling on knowing bravery of Laxmanji with Ramji in those Tadaka war....

Why Bharat ji dint accompanied Rami n why he was not jealous of all? all this was my questions before but now after reading Bharatjis nature everything is clear now...

Bharat ji was actually the shyest of all brothers... he love Ramji like anything but he dont have courage to spk in fornt of Lord, he always just bow his head on Ramjis words, he never argue even if Ramji is wrong...

we also know Ramji is never wrong... but just a saying ...

When they were kids, they always play with one team leaded by Ramji n other by Bharatji and always Bharatji wins as Ramji make him the winner ...

and knowing this Laxmanji always choose Ramjis team bcoz of his love towards Ramji... and Bharat also know very well that Ramji make him win but he dont question Ramji out of shyness...

and when some complain Ramji in front of bbharat that why always bharat win , even listening all this Bharat never get insulted...

he always love anything related to lord...

In books its written Bharat look exactly like Ramji and ppl get confused also sometimes... they start sweet words and then suddenly stop when they realize he is not Ram but Bharat ..

but here also Bharat never feel insulted or angry but always love to listen sweet words for RAMji n knowing Ramji is loved by all...

He also never correct others saying that I m not RAM as he dont want to disturb others....

When Vishwamiraji wanted Ramji for SUbahu , veryone knew that Laxmanji will go as Laxmanji cant live w/o Ramji and vice versa...

This doesnt mean that Bharatji can live w/o Ramji but actually the only diff is, Bharatji cannot help Ramji with decision if he need any , as Bharat dont spk in front of RAMji , he always agree with what Ramji says.. he cannot console Ramji like what laxmanji did after Sitajis kidnapping ...

Laxmanji do everything for Ramji on his own but Bharat ji is too shy he always wait for Ramjis words...

Shatrughan is same to bharat as Laxmanji to Ramji...

Bharat know very well that Laxmanji is the best servant to Ramji and he can protect Ramji in all ways....

like what all he did on swayamvar he was nt afraid of Parshuramji when something comes on Ramji , this all was not Bharats cup of tea....

this is the main reason why Bharat never accompanied Lord Ram...

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rupali pandey

@rupalip

Inactive

Posted: 16 years ago

#26

My fvt line is ..

Laxmanji ramji ke bahar rehne waale PRAN hai ...

Bharat always wanted Laxmanji to do more n more for Ramji..

The best thing abt bharatji character i read was:

Why he was not present in Ayodhya after marriage....

He lived in his native place for almost 10 yrs w/o Ramji , how he can live w/o Ramji for so long...

but theres reason behind all this which shows greatness of Bharatji...

After marriage it was quite clear that now Ramji gonna some day be chosen as KIng.. but he very well know of the promise betn Dashrathji and Kaikeyis father... and that was Kaikeyis father wanted son of kaikeyi to be the king of AYodhya doenst matter elder or not...

Kaikeyi also love Ramji more than Bharat so he left ayodhya to make this bond more strong so that when time comes kaikeyi herself refuse bharats

rajyabhishek even if forced by father of kaikeyi....

and Bharat also wanted people of Ayodhya to have more n more love for

LOrd Ram so that atleast they can stick to be Ramji as king..

he dint wanted distributed decisions.... and wanted praja just know him as brother of Shri Ram not more than that ...

then again the reason is : if he ll live in his native place then always he ll get updates ... he knew very well that kaikeyi naresh def gonna attack AYodhya if Ramji gets the throne and he dont wanted any kind of drama n obstacles

in all this, even if chance comes he can stop them with his presence here...

so he left ayodhya and live so long in native place ..

and wanted love of kaikeyi, praja to be unlimited only for Ramji...

but still all this sacrifices failed in front of vidhan .........

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Samiksha Birla

@Savi13

Dazzler

Posted: 16 years ago

#27

thanks Rupa di for all the info...

yeah poorvi the mangllik dosh and bhrigu rishi curse are all the reason of Sitaji sepration..

but of Lakshman don't have any ref...

stilll very tregic one...

Rupa Di as u said that Bharatji never speak in front of ramji

well that remind me of some situation.... where Bharatji speaks and Lakshmanji need to reamain silent..

when Bharatji went to Chitrkoot.(even though he could not go against Ramji).but he speaks his mind and try to pursue Ramji in every possible way so that he comes back.. at this point he want to be with him...

and now Lakshmanji situation was when he want to left Sitaji in the forest... eventhough he was against it but i think for the first time he could not put his thoughts in front of Ramji... again as he don't want to get away from him...

Rupa Di the second story about Bharatji is very emotional... sach main all is Vidhi ka Vidhan...

this epic is so emotional i throughly enjoyed in knowing more of it...

i can bet that no other epic or let say any fiction can be so emotional in front of this epic.

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rupali pandey

@rupalip

Inactive

Posted: 16 years ago

#28

ALso when Bharat heard of Ramjis exile , he came back and we know the rest ...

he refused to accept the throne and wanted Ramji back but again he cant force Ramji for anything and he know that Ramji will not come back as he promised mother 14 yrs exile...

so he decided to take all of AYodhya along , he took lacs of ppl with him and all mothers n rishi also just to force Ramji....

He told rishi vashishth to make Ramji agree on point that u and Laxmanji along with sitaji go back to Ayodhya and Bharat n shatrughan gonna fulfill fathers promise...

but all failed in front of Ramji as he took birth to kill Ravan..

In Chitrakut he never forced Ramji for anything, just he pinch rishis n mothers.. which is very sweetly shown in Ramayan ....

In Valmiki Ramayan its so beautifully written that neither Ramji nor Bharat say anything they just stand in front of each other with eyes on earth ....

then finally after all he asked Ramji abt all 4 oceans water for raj-tilak and then as guided by Ramji the place where he stored those waters known as Bharat -koop ....(sita11 plz tell us more abt this)

he also lived life of sanyasi for 14 yrs and he dint took rest in sleeping position but just like we sit with folding legs...

Ramji suffered pain of sleeping on earth , so he digged earth and and always sit there for meditation

as Ramji sit on earth so he sit a step below .......

What a love and dedication .....

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juhi jain

@jingjing

Dazzler

+ 2

Posted: 16 years ago

#29

Thank U Rupali di,Samiksha di and Poorvi di............I m loving this thread and discussion alot😛

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rupali pandey

@rupalip

Inactive

Posted: 16 years ago

#30

Originally posted by: sam1903

thanks Rupa di for all the info...

yeah poorvi the mangllik dosh and bhrigu rishi curse are all the reason of Sitaji sepration..

but of Lakshman don't have any ref...

stilll very tregic one...

Rupa Di as u said that Bharatji never speak in front of ramji

well that remind me of some situation.... where Bharatji speaks and Lakshmanji need to reamain silent..

when Bharatji went to Chitrkoot.(even though he could not go against Ramji).but he speaks his mind and try to pursue Ramji in every possible way so that he comes back.. at this point he want to be with him...

and now Lakshmanji situation was when he want to left Sitaji in the forest... eventhough he was against it but i think for the first time he could not put his thoughts in front of Ramji... again as he don't want to get away from him...

Rupa Di the second story about Bharatji is very emotional... sach main all is Vidhi ka Vidhan...

this epic is so emotional i throughly enjoyed in knowing more of it...

i can bet that no other epic or let say any fiction can be so emotional in front of this epic.

sam i wrote what I read in that book and what that author wanna say on his character , tomorrow I ll tell his name and name of book also .......

really very interesting way of describing Bharat n all characters of Ramayan, I ll write abt Hanumanji also in that DOTW ....

in that book it was mentioned that he wanted Ramji n sitahi to be in AYodhya tht was his motto....

hmm Laxmanji was twice in dilemma , once in agni pariksha also ...

Ramji also say that Laxmanji played diff roles for Ramji, like as young brother,friend, father also when protecting, consoling ....making hut....

Always Laxmanji is known for his anger but he only show his anger when someone goes against Ramji

like in swayamvar...and exile time..

he even wanted to arrest Father , Ramji is his wholesole , he dont consider any1 else infront of lord...

seriously sam , very emotional epic, the more we learn the more we get into it...

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