What happened to Mandodari after Ravan died? - Page 5

Originally posted by: diva82

Originally posted by rupalip

Hi n jai shri ram ...

Good to know u r devotee of Shri Ram and u r absolutely right that Lord Ram n Lord Krishnaji are Vishnujis avatar... a very simple theory see... one Amitabh bachhan or any actor play diff roles in diff movies...

same is the case here..

Vishnuji is the actor who took diff avatars in diff Yugas.... and acted accordingly .....

U said u r a Ramji devotee , plz go n read Ramayan .. u ll get no. of females who love Ramji and wanted him to be their husband but as Ramji was Maryada Purushottam and promised Sitaji for one-female man(thats ek patni vrat) so Ramji promised all those females that u all do tapasya I ll marry u all in my Krishna Avatar ......

Theres no diff in Ramji n Kriishnaji ... they are one n thats Vishnuji....

Mainly Krishnaji got married with Satyabhama, Rukmini and Jambavati...

After Ramjis avatar, theres one more ansh-avatar of Vishnuji ... Nar-Narayan

Theres a story where Indraji send 16050 apsara to distueb tapasya of

Nar-Narayan tapasya but they were failed to do so ... and Nar showed his power of Tap by creating many apsara from his power.....

All 16050 apsaras got impressed by narayan and prayed him to marry all...

Narayan repl I m brahmachari and cannot marry , but dont get disheartened

as i ll marry u all in Krishna Avatar.....

hence Krishnaji has more than 16000 wives....

Now say Is he wrong???????????????????

I dont find him wrong in any way .......

Gods are never wrong... always u can see some or the other reasons behind everything .........

Krishnajis character is very strong , he fulfilled everyones dream ... as the best son with Yashoda ma , best husband with all wives best friend ....

Jai Shree Ram!

Rupali, thanks for your reply. As per the reason given by you, many ladies wanted to marry Ramji as well, but he never married anyone else except Sita maa . [btw i have read ramayan]

Well many ladies would want to marry Srk or Imran Khan, but would it be fair if they marry 10-15 ladies??
Just because those apsaras prayed to marry Vishnuji doesn't mean that he should grant those wishes to them even though it is wrong. Some things are wrong and it shouldn't be done.
And about "gods are never wrong" I disagree, even gods make mistake.
For example: Parvati maa asked ganesh bhagwan not to let anyone come inside the gufa as she was praying[ i think.] At that time, Shivji came there, and asked ganesh bhagwan to let him go inside. Ganesh bhagwan didnt let him go inside. Thus the furious Shivaji cut ganesh bhagwan's head. Later on, Shijii came to know that Ganesh bhagwan is actually his son, and was merely obeying his mother's order.



Edited by dharam-veer fan - 19 September 2008 at 5:41pm

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Right, the above underline is the one I persume Ms Sita1.1 is talking about.


I was not going to get in the middle of this, but I had no idea about this Jai Shri Krishna forum until today and looked up what I think Ms Sita1.1 is talking about. I felt I had to intervene at this point.


In my opinion, that above post given by dharam -veer hardly has the same quailification as the "surgiva" is this forum.

DV is trying to use everyday life explanation to the things happen longtime back ago. Also, it is not necessary that devotees like DV have the same understanding as people with more understanding.
Therefore, they will question, it is our job, as more knowledgeable ones, to try to talk at their level of understanding and bring them to "our" level. You can read so much or whatever, but the UNDERSTANDING needs to be there. Like why did Lord krishna marry so many times but Lord Ram only once, since that are from the same incarnation? That why I believe he brought in Celebrities.


For example, lets take something simple. Science: say you never heard of an "atom" before. I tell you it's the smallest thing possible. You look at me blank thinking
"huh? What is she on? I thought the smallest thing is what I can see, how can I believe that about atom?" So the job of the scientist is to use everyday things to get them to think--- for example bricks in building blocks, it's the smallest thing.


That's probably a very bad example but being a lecturer in Science I couldn't think of a more basic one at this point. Otherwise, everyone would be confused.

Now, getting back to the topic, most people do not know that Lord krishna was not attached to any of his wives. He had reached the heights of spiritualisms that all he was doing was "acting out". Basically, he was a A Man of Self-Realization, that everything happening to him was His own karma, Good or Bad. He was incarnated straight from the God-principle, Like Ram--but Ram's role was different. So whatever came their way, both of them took sorrows and happniess equally. They "acted out" but once that "scene" was finished, they were back to doing their duties, because the understood the Magic of Maya, since Maya has come from them LOL.

Just think of other Great people, Mahathma Gandhi, Jesus, Adi Shankararacharaya, etc. Look at what they achieved, by understanding the concept of the universe, controlled by the Lord.
(I could go on)
Also, people like DV and Omshanti, I have to say, are very true people, because they question everything, they don't follow dogmatically. Watch, people like them will grow further spiritually and religiously, reaching the heights further than we have, because they are not afraid to question. Because questioning stimulates the mind and you learn more.


Just my opinion.

Please do not get offended.

God Bless.

Originally posted by: dharam-veer fan

One more thing: Even though i have recently joined IF, I have always visited the Ramayana forum. I remember Sita11 mentioned in one of post that " she never liked the idea of Draupadi having 5 husbands"

Similarly I stated in my post in JSK forum that i never understood the idea of Krishnajii having 1600 women. What is wrong with that?

I can also reach to the conclusion that you were trying to call Draupadi a characterless woman, but is that what you meant? No right? Similarly, I did not mean to call Krishnajii a casanova.

PS: @ Sita11 : BY pointing at that specific post of yours, i am not trying to put you down. I am just trying to make you understood my point of view. thats it.

jai shree ram!

Originally posted by: sita11

yes !!! i only wrote tht i did not like the facht tht draupadi had 5 husbands ,but i did not make a separate thread like u ,u also comapared krishnaji to movie actors & called krishnaji as weak charactered man ??? was tht ethical in ur view????? i never called draupadi a weak characterd woman ,never pinpointed her character !!!!

Originally posted by: dharam-veer fan

OMG i cant believe my user name is everywhere in this thread. Just to clear things a bit:
I have had the question about Krishnajii marrying 1600 women since i was a kid. However, i never really asked anyone about it because i dreaded the other persons response.

I thought why not ask that question in the JSK forum; and i put my views forward in a civilized. Again, I have not demeaned Krsihanjii in anyway; and i do not regret posting that topic in the JSK forum.


Sita 11 wrote " i found a member dharamveer fan at JAI SHRI KRISHNA FORUM ,who was calling lord KRISHNA as a casanova types & was comparing lord krishna to movie actors like srk ,imran khan !!!! tht was highly un-ethical ,i did not like tht ,so i made a thread titled-------who is the mod of this forum !!! at jai shri krishna forum , so tht i cud know tht who is the mod ,so tht i cud ask tht mod to edit the comments of dharam veerfan which were really insulting types !!! so what is wrong in tht ????"

Ms. Sita: I did not call Krishnajii a Casanova. It seems like you have misunderstood me.The only thing i wanted to know, was what was the reason for Krishnaji to marry 1600 women? and Charu aka Luv_khwaish educated me about the topic. Thanks to her for being patient and guiding me to the right direction. If you read my entire post, I also mentioned that Bhagwad Geeta is a blessing to mankind.

As per me comparing Krishnajii to an ordinary human being ..

Rupali wrote : 1600 apsaras were captured by a demon and krishnajii freed them; and all of the apsaras wanted to marry Krishnajii. Thus, he married them...

And i did not find that answer very convincing. The very immediate question that crosses my mind was "just bcuz those apsaras wanted to marry Krishnajii . He agreed to marry them???????? that way many gurls/ladies would wanna marry celebrities and that wudnt be appropriate.

Rupali forgot to write that after the captivation of those apsaras no one would marry them. THus, Krishanjji had to marry them .

also..My granny says " god is present in every human being". So, why is it wrong to compare an ordinary human being with god?

Originally posted by: dharam-veer fan

you did not make a separate thread about it because you made that specific stmt even after knowing the reason for it. however, i was not aware with the entire 1600 apsaras being captured by the demon story. Thus i asked JSKianz about the reason as i preassumed that there would be at least one member in the forum who would have the answer to my question.


R u saying it would have been good if i had never asked the question that i had in my mind since i was a kid?

Again read my previous post about why i compared krishnajii to other ordinary human beings..


As per me comparing Krishnajii to an ordinary human being ..

Rupali wrote : 1600 apsaras were captured by a demon and krishnajii freed them; and all of the apsaras wanted to marry Krishnajii. Thus, he married them...

And i did not find that answer very convincing. The very immediate question that crosses my mind was "just bcuz those apsaras wanted to marry Krishnajii . He agreed to marry them???????? that way many gurls/ladies would wanna marry celebrities and that wudnt be appropriate.

Rupali forgot to write that after the captivation of those apsaras no one would marry them. THus, Krishanjji had to marry them .

also..My granny says " god is present in every human being". So, why is it wrong to compare an ordinary human being with god?


About you saying that i called Krishnajii a weak charactered man.." i never said krishnajii was a weak charactered man. I only mentioned i wasnt sure why krishnajii married 1600 reason..wat was the reason?

if i already had the view of krishnajii being a weak charactered man, i would have neva created a thread to know the reason why he married 1600 women.

Originally posted by: godisone

Hey, sorry if you got offended since your name appeared a lot in this topic. Someone used it in one of their replies (I don't remember who), and it started circulating. And it's perfectly natural to have a doubt about Lord Krishna having 16,108 wifes. Seriously, that's a lot! And it is perfectly natural to know why he had so many when Lord Rama had only one.

But I don't know exactly what you wrote in your post. I only heard Sita11's side of the story, and when I went to look for the post in Jai Krishna Forum, I couldn't find it. So can you please post a link to that post?

And since other people already cleared your doubt about Shri Krishna having 16,000 wives, I won't go into that, but I'll explain why sometimes the Lord fulfills wishes even if they are not good ones. Here's a story about King Bali and Vamana that might clarify any doubt.

When Lord Vishnu came to King Bali in the form of a small adorable boy, King Bali's daughter looked at him and got mesmerized by the little boy's cuteness. Feeling a motherly instinct build up inside of her, she thought to herself, "I want to give this boy milk." Vamana, who could read her thoughts, replied in his mind, "May it be so."

Later, when he killed King Bali, the motherly instinct of the daughter turned to anger and she thought, "I want to give this boy poison!" Again, Vamana said, "May it be so."

Later on in the Krishna Avatara, King Bali's daughter was reborn as Pootna the rakshasi, who worked for Kansa. When she reached Yashoda Devi's house to kill baby Krishna, she first gave Krishna milk as per her previous desire and then poison. This way, both of her desires were fulfilled.

The point of this story is to relay the message that the Lord fulfills each and every desire of a person, may they be good or bad, except that if you have bad wishes, you get punished for them after they are fulfilled! That's why our elders tell us to have only good desires.

The reason Krishna had many wives was (as you know) in the Ram Avatar, many women fell in love with him, but being a Maryada Purushottham, he could not marry all of them, but the desires of the women were still there, weren't they? Instead of marrying each and every one of them in thousands of avatars, he married all of them in one avatar, so that those desires could be fulfilled. Also, what Rupali said was right. When those women were freed from Narakasura, no one was going to marry them, so Krishna saved their honor and dignity by marrying all of them.

I hope this cleared away your doubt.

Also, you're right that God is in everyone, but couldn't you find a better way to ask your question about Krishna rather than comparing him with celebrities? Just a thought...because many people take offense to that since he's the Supreme Deity and celebrities are...celebrities. But as long as people understood what you meant, I guess it wasn't that bad.

I hope you weren't offended.

Peace!

Originally posted by: sita11

i hv already posted the link in my quote to diva ,hv a look !!!

Originally posted by: godisone

Hey, sorry if you got offended since your name appeared a lot in this topic. Someone used it in one of their replies (I don't remember who), and it started circulating. And it's perfectly natural to have a doubt about Lord Krishna having 16,108 wifes. Seriously, that's a lot! And it is perfectly natural to know why he had so many when Lord Rama had only one.

But I don't know exactly what you wrote in your post. I only heard Sita11's side of the story, and when I went to look for the post in Jai Krishna Forum, I couldn't find it. So can you please post a link to that post?

And since other people already cleared your doubt about Shri Krishna having 16,000 wives, I won't go into that, but I'll explain why sometimes the Lord fulfills wishes even if they are not good ones. Here's a story about King Bali and Vamana that might clarify any doubt.

When Lord Vishnu came to King Bali in the form of a small adorable boy, King Bali's daughter looked at him and got mesmerized by the little boy's cuteness. Feeling a motherly instinct build up inside of her, she thought to herself, "I want to give this boy milk." Vamana, who could read her thoughts, replied in his mind, "May it be so."

Later, when he killed King Bali, the motherly instinct of the daughter turned to anger and she thought, "I want to give this boy poison!" Again, Vamana said, "May it be so."

Later on in the Krishna Avatara, King Bali's daughter was reborn as Pootna the rakshasi, who worked for Kansa. When she reached Yashoda Devi's house to kill baby Krishna, she first gave Krishna milk as per her previous desire and then poison. This way, both of her desires were fulfilled.

The point of this story is to relay the message that the Lord fulfills each and every desire of a person, may they be good or bad, except that if you have bad wishes, you get punished for them after they are fulfilled! That's why our elders tell us to have only good desires.

The reason Krishna had many wives was (as you know) in the Ram Avatar, many women fell in love with him, but being a Maryada Purushottham, he could not marry all of them, but the desires of the women were still there, weren't they? Instead of marrying each and every one of them in thousands of avatars, he married all of them in one avatar, so that those desires could be fulfilled. Also, what Rupali said was right. When those women were freed from Narakasura, no one was going to marry them, so Krishna saved their honor and dignity by marrying all of them.

I hope this cleared away your doubt.

Also, you're right that God is in everyone, but couldn't you find a better way to ask your question about Krishna rather than comparing him with celebrities? Just a thought...because many people take offense to that since he's the Supreme Deity and celebrities are...celebrities. But as long as people understood what you meant, I guess it wasn't that bad.

I hope you weren't offended.

Peace!