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It is imp to understand that Vedas are only 4 --but when we talk about a Vedic grantha then all the 4 vedas along with their brahman's ,Upanishads,Aranyaks and Puranas are considered.So Vedas which actually had "Klistha Shailee" ,So the sages decided to interpret them in in different keys the first of which were the brahmans.


Brihal Parashar Smriti defines thus "A Brahman is a book which tells the meaning of Vedic Mantras and its use". Similarly in Vaishaishik Darshan, Maharshi Kannaaad says "Brahmanas defines words of the Vedas and its meanings. In ancient times there where many Brahmanas, but currently only six are to be found:-
  1. Aitareya Brahman Granth based on Rig Veda authored by Rishi Aitareya Mahidaas.
  2. Shankhyayan Brahman Granth based on Rig Veda
  3. Kaushtiki Brahman based on Rig Veda
  4. Shatapath Brahman Granth based on Yajurveda
  5. Maha-Tandya Brahman Granth based on Sam Veda
  6. Gopath Brahman Granth based on Atharva Veda

So its Important to understand that when we talk of Vedas --THEY ARE ONLY 4 but A VEDIC GRANTHA as a whole is incomplete without it's subparts--Like Upaveda,Vedanga,Shakha ,brahmna,Sutra grantha,Neeti,Aranyak,Uanishads Purans,Darshan shastra,Smriti Itihas etc

he Up-Vedas are the texts on the auxillary themes of the Vedas. The Upveda of RigVeda, YajurVeda, SamaVeda and Atharv Veda are Economics, Military Science, Music and Dance and Medical Sceinces respectively. There are 5 Upveda that can be traced in some meaningful form, they are as follows:-
  1. Ayurveda (Sciences relating to LIFE and MEDICINE):- Ayurveda is related to the secret of life and the science of long life. The originator of Ayurveda is supposed to be Lord Dhanwantari. Apart from him, other prominent names are Aitareya, Kashyapa, Harit, Agnivesha, and Bhedamuni. At present, three important books of Ayurveda are: Charak Samhita, Sushruta Samhita and Vaagbhatta Samhita. These three books are collectively called Brihat-trayi. Patanjali has also authored text on Ayurveda.
  2. Dhanurveda: This Upveda explains Spiritual sciences like PURUSHARTHA, DUTIES, DEEDS, etc and also Material sciences like CIVIL and MILITARY defense, war and politics. The Ramayana and Mahabharata a good deal of light is thrown upon this science and art, particularly in the descriptions of battles. The most ancient books of Dhanurveda are not available, but some of the known books are Dhanurvidhi, Drauna Vidya, Kodanda Mandana and Dhanurveda Samhita.
  3. Gandharva Veda: Gandharvaveda is the science of music, derived from the Sama-Veda, and we have already dealt with this subject briefly, while dealing with the Vedaanga of Chhandas. Apart from Devotional Music it also deals with some subjects of Spiritual Sciences.
  4. Shilpa Veda (Sthapatya Ved): It deals with architecture and various arts. According to Shukra-niti there are a number of arts but 64 are considered to be more prominent.
  5. Artha Veda: Artha-Veda is the Upaveda of the Atharva-Veda, which deals with social, economic, and political systems. In the early medieveal times Artha Shashtra was also authored by Chanakya

Vedang

Vedang are the auxillary to the four Vedas essential for the correct interpretation of the Vedas.

Mundaka Upanisad mentions that there are six Vedanga which are as follows: (i) Siksha (Education), (ii) Kalpa (Creation), (iii) Vyakarana (Grammer), (iv) Nirukta (Etymology), (v) Chhanda (Metres), and (vi) Jyotisha (Mathematics & Astronomy).
  1. Shikshaa: Science of Articulation and Pronunciation:-

    Siksha is related to sound, letters, pronunciation, the method of teaching and learning of these basic elements. Every Veda has its own peculiar pronunciation of certain letters, and each one of them has its specific modes and speed of recitation. A book called Siksha Sangraha contains a collection of 32 systems of siksha. These systems relate to different sakhas of the four Vedas. The most important among the books relating to siksha is the famous Paniniya Siksha. Another important book is Yaajnavalkya Siksha. In Vasishthi Siksha we have a detailed account of the differences between the mantras of the Rig-Veda and Yajur-Veda. Both Yaajnavalkya siksha and Vasishthi siksa are related to the Vajasaneyi Samhita. The other important works are: Katyaayani siksha, Paaraashari siksha, Maadhyandini Siksha, Keshavi Siksha and Manduki Siksha. In Naaradiya Siksha, which is related to the Sama-Veda, there is supposed to be the knowledge of the secret of different sounds.

    The development of Siksha as a Vedaanga and as a science demonstrates the profoundity and vast scope of research that was undertaken in respect of pronunciation in ancient India. It is because of this Vedaanga that the system of Vedic recitation has remained intact right from the ancient times to the present day. A given sakha is recited in the same way all over the country, and Vedapaathis of the same sakha, belonging to different parts of India, pronounce mantras with the same intonation, speed and strength and force and even the same hand movements. If the Vedaanga system of pronunciation has remained so uniform in the country, and if the tradition has remained so powerful, it is because of the degree of perfection that was achieved in respect of Siksha.

  2. Kalpa: Vedic system involves Karmakaanda (system of prescribed acts and rituals). A detailed understanding of this Karmakaanda became necessary in due course of time, and this gave rise to a vast literature of Kalpasutra. Kalpa means that which is understood or justified in respect of prescribed acts and rituals.
  3. Pratishakhya / Vyaakaran / Grammer:- Vyakarana is considered to be a principal part of the six Vedaangas. Vyakarana is looked upon as the mouth among the Vedaangas. The most celebrated author of vyakarana is Panini, who has himself mentioned several great names of the great grammarians. Panini's famous book is Ashtadhyayi, in which he has discussed both Vedic and non-Vedic words.

    One of the greatest commentaries on vyakarana is that of Patanjali. This is supposed to be the most authentic book on Panini's Vyakarana. The authenticity of Patanjali's commentary is so great that wherever there is a difference of opinion between Sutra, Vaarttika and Mahabhashya, the verdict of the Mahabhashya of Patanjali is regarded to be ultimately acceptable.

    Closely connected with Siksha, Chhandas and Vyakarana, there is a body of literature known as Praatisaakhya. For each Veda and for each sakha there are certain specific rules, and these rules deal with various subjects connected with pronunciation, meters, and other grammatical matters. The meaning of the Veda is also indicated in the Praatisaakhya, and it is therefore considered to be an aid to the study of the concerned Veda. The Rik Praatisaakhya deals with the Saishiriya Upasaakha of the Saakala sakha of the Rig-Veda. Maharshi Shaunaka is the author. The great commentator Uvat has written a commentary on this Praatisaakhya.

    Kaatyaayana who belonged to a period earlier than that of Panini composed Vajasaneyi Praatisaakhya. Uvat and Anantabhatta have written, respectively, Matriveda and Padaarthaprakashaka to elucidate the Praatisaakhya of Katyayana. Taittiriya Praatisaakhya is related to the Taittiriya Samhita of Krishna Yajur-Veda. The commentary has been written by Mahishi, which is known as Padakramasadana.

    Pushpasutra and Riktantra are the two Praatisaakhyas on the Sama-Veda. The author of Pushpasutra is supposed to be Vararuchi, and the author of Riktantra is supposed to be Shaakatayaana.

    The Chaturaadhyayika is the oldest Praatisaakhya of the Atharva-Veda. Kautsa is supposed to be the author of this Praatisaakhya, which is also known as Kautsa Vyakarana.

    In sixteenth century AD, the method of the study of grammar propounded by Panini began to be replaced to some extent by the tradition of Kaatantra. In that tradition, Siddhanta Kaumudi of Bhattoji Dikshit and Prakriya Sarvasa of Narayana Bhatta are most prominent. Vyakarana developed also in the field of philosophy, and Bhartrihari who belonged to the sixth century AD initiated this.

  4. Nighantu / Nirukta (including Bhavprakash by Yashkaacharya):- Nirukta is a kind of commentary on Nighantu, which is a collection of difficult words of the Veda. Nighantu is supposed to have been one meaning, and in the fourth chapter, it gives a collection of those words, which have several meanings. In the fifth chapter, the names of Vedic gods have been collected. There have been many commentaries on Nighantu, but it is the commentary of Yaksha, which has found its place as one of the Vedaangas, and this Vedaanga is known as Nirukta. Nirukta is not confined only to meanings of words; it traces the words to their originals, and it indicates how different similar or dissimilar words arose from those origins. The principle that all names originated from verbs is an important principle of Nirukta, and even modern linguists accept this principle. Prior to Yaksha also, there were many methods and systems of Vedic interpretation, such as Aadhi-daivata, Aadhyaatma, Aakhyaana-Samaya, Aitihaasika, Naidaana, Paarivraaajaka, Yaajnika, etc.
  5. Chando Granth (prosody poetry):-

    The composition of the Vedas indicates consummate development of the knowledge of the poetic meter, chhandas. The first discussion on Vedic meters is to be found in the Saankhyaayana Srauta-sutra. But the classical work on meters is that of Maharshi Pingal. Meters or chhandas have been studied by Pingal in the eighth chapter of his book Chhandah-sutra. In this book, he has taken into account not only Vedic meters but also others. There are mainly seven Vedic meters, namely, Gayatri, Ushnik, Anushtubh, Brhati, Pankti, Trishtubh, and Jagati. According to Kaatyaayana, the highest number of mantras in the Rig-Veda is to be found in Trishtubh. This number is 4253. Gayatri has 24 67 mantras; Ushnik has 341 mantras; Pankti has 312 mantras, and Brahti has 181 mantras. Although there are numerous meters, we find only 50 meters in the Sanskrit literature.

    Prior to Pingalacharya, there were several great teachers of Chhanda Sastra, such as Koshtuki, Yaksha, Kaashyapa and Maandavya. There have been several commentaries on the Chhanda-sutra of Pingalacharya. In fact, there has been a continuous development of books on Chhanda Sastra.

    The development of musical science also owed a great deal to Chhanda Sastra. It is well known that the Sama-Veda is to sing. Although the method of singing the Sama is different from that of classical music, the seven tunes, namely, shadja, rishabha, gandhara, madhyama, panchama, dhaivata, and nishaada are used in Sama in the same way as in classical music. In the Chhaandogya Upanisad which is based upon the Sama-Veda, five types of musical renderings of the Sama have been indicated, namely, Himkaara, Prastaava, Udgitha, Pratihaar and Nidhaan. It is noteworthy that Vedic literature refers also to several musical instruments, including the veena. In social life, too, because of the close connection between religious rites and music, various melodies developed, particularly six melodies corresponding to the six seasons. Closely connected with music was the development of dance and drama. Among the important works in Sanskrit regarding music, dance and drama the most important one is Naatya Sastra of Bharat Muni. There are two Samhitas on Natya Sastra, namely, Dwaadasha Sahasri and Shat Sahasri. The traditions established by Bharat Muni remained prevalent for more than a thousand years, and even in the book Sangeet Ratnaakar or Sharangadeva of thirteenth century AD, the authority of Bharat Muni has been acknowledged. Thereafter also there has been a vast literature on music, dance and drama. In fact, music, dance, and drama received royal patronage throughout the ages, and some of the great kings of the north and south were themselves great musicians.

  6. Jyotish / Astronomy and Astrophysics:-

    The sixth Vedaanga relates to Jyotisa - astronomy and astrology. Jyotisa is considered to be the science of light, and it is looked upon as the eyes among the Vedaangas. Vedic knowledge had discovered an inner rhythm cosmic movement, and this rhythm seems to correspond with periodic developments and seasons of human life. The transit of planets, calculation of days and nights and the determination of various seasons were closely studied. The science of Jyotisa described planets, constellations, comets and also the rotations and revolutions of various luminous objects of the heavens.

    Rig-Veda Jyotisa Vedaanga has been attributed to Lagadhaacharya. It consists of 36 verses. There is also a Jyotisa related to the Yajur-Veda and another related to Atharva-Veda. Yajur-Veda Jyotisa consists of 34 verses, and it has been attributed to Shoshaacharya. Atharva-Veda Jyotisa has 14 chapters and 102 verses. It is supposed to be a dialogue between Pitaamaha who was the speaker and Kashyapa who was the listener.

    Among the greatest astronomers and astrologers of India, the most celebrated name is that of Varaahamihira. His famous book, Pancha Siddhaantika speaks of five systems of jyotisa: Pitamaha Siddhaanta, Vasistha Siddhaanta, Romaka Siddhaanta, Poulisha Siddhaanta, and Surya Siddhaanta. In due course, Jyotisa inspired the development of various sciences including arithmetic, algebra, geometry, astronomy, and astrology. Bhaskaraacharya of twelfth century AD is regarded as the first among the mathematicians and astrologers of the middle ages. Jyotisa is even today prevalent all over India, and it is even now a developing science. The Panchaanga, which gives detailed information regarding the tithi, vaara, nakshatra, yoga and karana, is commonly used in most Indian homes; and the annuals of the Panchaanga are constantly consulted by astronomers, astrologers and many individuals in day-to-day life.

Shaakha

The Shaakhas of the Vedas are explantions and / or editions of the original Samhitas (Vedas); and thus not the original Vedas. They may be even mixed up with the Brahmanas. So they are the creation of leter Vedic Seers. In the past there where 1127 Shakhas of the Vedas including 20 of the RigVeda, 100 of the Yajurveda, 1000 of the SamVeda and 7 of the AtharvaVeda.
But at present only a few (8-10) Shakhas are available.

Aranyak

Aranyak Granth contains the extracts from Brahman Granths.

Sutra Granth

The following are the nine Vedic Sutra Granth that can be found:-
  1. Grihay Sutra
  2. Dharma Sutra
  3. Shrota Sutra
  4. Ashvalayana
  5. Gobhil
  6. Paraskar
  7. Koshitaki
  8. Katyayana
  9. Bodhayana

Smriti

Smriti(s) are the books of social, economic and political laws which are changeable with time and have been composed by scholars from time to time as the need was. Amongts 250 Smrities (known to have been mentioned in different texts) only some 57 are traceable now, the most prominent ones being Manu Smriti.
After the last plavan, the learned King Vaivaswat Manu took the pledge of re establishing the displaced human society. He authored Manu Smriti in which he laid the basic natural, civil and criminal laws required to run a society. There are 12 chapters in ManuSmriti.
YajyaValka Smriti is another valuable one. It consists of 3 Chapters: Aachaar, Vyavahaar, & Praayashchita. Some twenty other Smritis are:-
  • i. Atri
  • ii. Vishnu
  • iii. Haareeta
  • iv. Aushanasi
  • v. AAngirasa
  • vi. Yama
  • vii. AApastamba
  • viii. Samvarta
  • ix. Kaatyaayana
  • x. Brihaspati
  • xi. Paaraashara
  • xii. Vyaasa
  • xiii. Shankha
  • xiv. Likhita
  • xv. Daksha
  • xvi. Gautama
  • xvii. Shaataatapa
  • xviii. Vashishtha
  • xix. Bhrigu
  • xx. Naarada

Darshan Shashtra

There are six Darshan Shashtras - also known as Upaang or Shat Darshan (The Six Visualisation); they are:-
  1. Purva Mimaansa / Mimaansa Shashtra by Rishi Jaimini:- The author of this Darshan is Rishi Jaimini ji. The science of morals is discussed in detail. The concept of this darshan is Dharma, Dharmi (the thing which possess dharma) & Yagya (Sacrifice) & the duties & non-duties of the mankind which range from family life to national service are described, through which the extreme development of the entire nation is possible. Infect the great form of the Dharma is the Yagya (Sacrifice).
  2. Vaisheshika Shashtra by Rishi Kannaad:- The author of this Darshan is Rishi Kanaad ji. He has described the true form of the Dharma. The mean that is helpful in achieving worldly & spiritual success is Dharma. Moksha ( Supreme Bliss) is obtained by living as truly righteous life & thereby getting the soul purified & exalted, and gaining a true conception of the six entities, viz., Noumenom, Attribute, Action, Commonness, Dissimilitude & Inherent relation, ( as of cause & effect, of whole with its parts). Its main themes are "Nothing can be created without any material', "Absence of the cause is absence of the effect", etc.
  3. Nyaaya Shashtra by Rishi Gautam:- The author of this Darshan is Rishi Gautama ji. The subject of this darshan is to attain Moksha (Salvation) by getting the philosophical knowledge of 16 (sixteen) objects like Proof/Evidence, Proposition, Logic etc., The order in which the above 16 objects explained is as follows (i) Name (ii) Features & (iii) Detailed examination of the objects. Its main theme is " To examine the things through the proofs & evidences is Nyaaya". God is the creator of the universe, formless, omnipresent, Soul is different from the body, mind etc., & material nature is unintellect & raw material of the universe are clearly explained & proving the Traitavaad. An ancient & authentic commentary on this darshan by Maharishi Vaatsyayan ji is available.
  4. Yoga Shashtra by Rishi Patanjali:- The author of this Darshan is Maharishi Patanjali ji & it deals with the Saadhana, Dhyan, Samaadhi etc., & gives a clear-cut idea about the God, Soul & Material world, true form of the God, Vedic worship (Upaasanaa) & Means of obtaining the Moksha (Salvation). Further subtle topics are also explained like, (i) what is yoga ?, (ii) What is the reason of soul's bondage ?, (iii) what are the different stages & attainments of the yoga practitioner (Saadhak) ?, (iv) what are the fluctuations of the mind & how to completely stop it ?, (v) Till what time the connection of the soul & mind exists? etc., An ancient & authentic commentary on this darshan by Maharishi Vyaasa ji's is very familiar in yoga.
  5. Sankhya Shashtra by Rishi Kapil:- The author of this Darshan is Rishi Kapil ji & its subject is about the Prakriti & its products & Purusha. It is absorbed that the word "Purusha" is denoted for both the God & the Soul. The basis of this darshan is Sat Kaarya Vaad "Nothing can ever become something , nor can something ever become nothing". The order of Creation & Dissolution of the universe from the Prakriti is exclusively explained in this darshan. Only through discrimination obtained by knowing the true form of the material world & purusha, Moksha/Salvation is obtained. It is also explained that the universe is not false, True in existence by having the material world as the subtle cause & further 24 (Twenty Four) intermediate entities.
  6. Uttar Mimaansa / Vedaant Shashtra by Rishi Veda Vyaas / Baadaraayana:- The author of this Darshan is Rishi Vyaasa ji & the subject is about the Brahmaa (Iswhar) & attainment of Brahmaa / Moksha (Salvation). Its other names are Brahmasootra & Uttar Meemaamsaa. Brahmaa (God) is an entity, which is omnipotent, omnipresent, blissful. He is free from sorrows of birth & death. Jeevaatmaa (Soul) is also a different entity having little intellect & subtle. He wants to get rid out of sorrows. God creates the universe from the Prakriti. The meaning of the Vedaanta is - "The essence of the Vedas".

Upanishad

The Upanishads mostly explain in details Vedic Theology including metaphysics, spiritual and mystical powers and concepts of the God. The literal meaning of Upanishad itself is "the knowledge of realising and visualising God". In some Upanishads, some of the Vedic hymns are produced as such. These texts mostly deal with the concepts, charateristics and manifestations of powers of the God, nature and properties of the soul, its relationship with the God; sometimes in figurative manner or in symbolic stories. in these books, most complex philosophical concepts and spiritual experiences have been presented through lucid dialogues. Upanishad is also called Shruti.
References in mythological literature indicates the existence of 1000 Upanishads in ancient times. It is said that in ancient times each Shaakha of a Veda had its own Upanishad. But like Shakaas, upanishads are also untraceable now. The major 11 ones are as noted below (with the Veda they belong to):-
  1. Isha (Yajur):- Ishopanishad provides the basic tenats of the Vedas in brief. Important Vedic Concepts relating to the God, soul and nature, moral duties, monotheism, life after death, and other complex philosophical concepts are clearly dealt therein. Except one mantra, the entire Ishopanishad is the last chapter of YajurVed and is the gist of Vedic Religion.
  2. Kena (Sam)
  3. Kantha (Atharv)
  4. Prashna (Atharv)
  5. Mundaka (Atharv)
  6. Maandukya (Atharv)
  7. Aitareya (Rig)
  8. Taittreya (Yaju)
  9. Chaandogya (Sam)
  10. Brihadaarannyak (Yaju)
  11. Shwetashwatar (Atharv)

Puraana

The Puraanas are the books of ancient Indian History, culture and civilisation along with mythology of Hindu Religion and its several sects. Along with some description of creation of Universe, moral education, and history of Kings, they emphasise on incarnation of God in different gods and goddesses as Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva and their incarnations. Each Purana is devoted to the main deity of a particular sect, i.e Vaishnav, Shaiva or Shakti showing supremacy of one over other - reflecting the sectarian approach. On account of gradual additions, alterartions, and distortions for hundred of years continuosly in the Puranas, particularly under the influence of upheaval of Buddhism and Jainism and then under the Islamic and Chritian rulers in India, aome irrational, illogical, unethical, unsceintific, inhumanatarian and ANTIVEDIC concepts have crept in the Puranas.
Such concepts are multiplicity of Gods and their incarnations; their feuds for supremacy, idol worship, social discrimination, casteism, and several other superstitions are totaly UnVEDIC. Therefore their illogical teachings, unbelievable narations, and unscentific concepts contrary to the Vedas are quite discardable. However, there historic accounts are of great use as ancient culture. Strictly speaking Puraanas need a drastic "purification" through cross examination before they can be acceptable for common public consumption.
Even the Pauranics (the believers of the Puraanas) are not unanimous about the number and source of the Puranas. Given below is one of the counts available:-
  • Eighteen (18) Maha Puranas:
  • Brahm
  • Padma
  • Vishnu
  • Shiva (or Vayu)
  • Shrimadbhaagvata
  • Narada
  • Markandeya
  • Agni
  • Bhavishya
  • Brhmvaivarta
  • Linga
  • Varaaha
  • Skanda
  • Vamana
  • Koorma
  • Matsya
  • Garurha
  • Brahmaanda

In addition, there are eighteen (18) Upa-Puranas, and eighteen (18) Aup-Puranas which are also called Ati-Puranas as follows:

  • Eighteen (18) Upa- Puranas:
  • Bhaagvat
  • Maaheshvara
  • Brahmaand
  • Aaditya
  • Saura
  • Nandakeshvara
  • Saamba
  • Kaalikaa
  • Varuna
  • Ushanas
  • Maanava
  • Kaapila
  • Durvaasas
  • Shivadharma
  • Vrehannaaradiya
  • Naarasinha
  • Sanatkumaara
  • Eighteen (18) Aup-Puranas or Ati-Puranas:
    1. Kaartava
    2. Riju
    3. Aadi
    4. Mudgala
    5. Pashupati
    6. Ganesha
    7. Surya
    8. Paramaananda
    9. Brehaddharma
    10. Mahaabhagavata
    11. Devi
    12. Kalki
    13. Bhargava
    14. Vaashishtha
    15. Kaurma
    16. Garga
    17. Chandi
    18. Lakshmi

Itihaas

Out of the various historical stories authored in sanskrit, two of them find a special place in Vedic Literature as contain valuable study, reading and following of the Veda. These are also called the great epics of Hinduism, they are:-
  1. Ramayan (The history of Sri Ram of liberating India from Raavan rajya and establishing Ram rajya) by Maharshi Valmiki
  2. Mahabharat (The history of Sri Krishna of uniting the Indian Sub Continent) by Maharshi Ved Vyaas. Mahabharat includes the famous dialogue "Bhagvad Gita" between Sri Krishna and his disciple Arjun.

Neeti

At various times, sages have authored literature on their primary set of beliefs and ethics. These are called Neeti. There are various Neeti, of which authored the following are worth mentioning:-
  1. Vidur Neeti
  2. Chaanakyaa Neeti
  3. Bhartrihari Neeti
  4. Shikra Neeti
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^^^ So Neilu...I hope this gives you a sneak peak..to the VAST OCEAN OF KNOWLEDHE OF THE VEDIC GRANTHAa...
VEDAS ARE 4 IN NO...Their interpretations and the mantra part etc and their textual references are in the other books...SO A COMPLETE VEDIC GRANTHA consists of all these texts...Though mainly a BRAHMAN and Upanishad are enough to comprehend the Main Veda...
Neilu the REAL PROB is that PPL cannot understand that the knowledge is "Anadi and shashwat..."
Whatever we know is just a drop in the huge ocean...So ppl actuially start comparing with the TV versions...ONLY RCM or VALMIKI Ramayan are not the only ones who capture the tale of Rama..BUt many other granthas too which deal with the stories which leads to diff interpretations and CONFUSION...forming AN OPINION on the BASIS of POPULAR TV VERSIONS...seems to me like ADHJAL GAGARI CHALKAT JAYE..."
I do not claim to know it all NEVER coz...The knowledge is endless...Me to chotu Gyata of Atharvavaeda and Ayurveda along wih the Darshan shastras😆 Bas baaki sab mere bas ki baat nahi...
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so piu u mean to say that the whole ramayana story is told in vedas...like from birth of RAMA till he comes back to ayodhya and so on...

is it like the tale is distributed among different vedas,puranas etc and they do tell complete story ???

btw thanks for this abundant piece of information...appreciate a lot😳
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Not exactly like in Ramyana but the stories are scattered . The whole story is not in Vedas but sacttered references about the avatar concepts...The avatar concept etc all are there but scattered and thoda thoda mOSLY IN PURANAS AND ARANYAKS .
Like the avatar vaad is given in Yajurveda Samhita...There are many stories in pURANAS TOO MENTION OF THE NAMES OF SAGES LIKE vISJWAMITRA ETC In Yajurveda
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Originally posted by: manzilmukul

Not exactly like in Ramyana but the stories are scattered . The whole story is not in Vedas but sacttered references about the avatar concepts...The avatar concept etc all are there but scattered and thoda thoda mOSLY IN PURANAS AND ARANYAKS .
Like the avatar vaad is given in Yajurveda Samhita...There are many stories in pURANAS TOO MENTION OF THE NAMES OF SAGES LIKE vISJWAMITRA ETC In Yajurveda



so does that imply..Valmiki is the first version RAMAYANA in detail ...where the stroy is narrated sequentially ???..u said itihaas (vedic literature) is also part of these vedas..so valmiki's ramayan falls under this category right??? and that kind of suggests why everyone refers Valmiki as Original Ramayan :)
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Vayu purana provide us the correct chronological period of Ramayana. If we take Vayu purana period into consideration then period of Rama goes to atleast 1,80,00,000 years back. Hence we can easily conclude that period of Rama is atleast 10,00,000 years to 1,80,00,000 years
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: nneeiill



so does that imply..Valmiki is the first version RAMAYANA in detail ...where the stroy is narrated sequentially ???..u said itihaas (vedic literature) is also part of these vedas..so valmiki's ramayan falls under this category right??? and that kind of suggests why everyone refers Valmiki as Original Ramayan :)


The primary source of the life and journey of Rama is the epic Ramayana as composed by the rISHI vALMIKI The Vishnu Purana also recounts Rama as Vishnu's seventh Avatar, and in theBhagvad Puran, ninth skandha, adhyayas 10 & 11, the story of the Ramayana is again recounted in brief up to and including the slaying of Ravana and Prince Rama's return to Ayodhya. Additionally, the tales of Rama are reverently spoken of in the epic Mahabharata
The epic had many versions across India's regions. However, other scriptures in Sanskrit reflect the life of Ramayana. The followers of Madhavacharya believe that an older version of the Ramayana, the mula-Ramayana, previously existed but is no longer extant. They consider it to be more authoritative than the version by Valmiki
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According to ancient Indian chronology and Puranic tradition Ram was born in the 24th Treta Yuga (Great Age). Apart from the Valmiki Ramayana and other versions of Ram's biography, there are four important references to Ram, Ravan, etc in ancient scriptures. Here are some references of Lord Rama in the Vedic texts

1. Treta yuge chaturvinshe ravane tapseh shakshyat |
Ram dashrtathi prapiye sagane shakyamiyeewan ||
(Vayu Puran 70.88)

2. Sandho tu samanupraptre tretayaam dwaparisya cha |
Ramo daasrathirbhutva bhavishami jagatpati ||
(Mahabharata 348.19)

3. Chaturvinshe yuge chapi vishwamitra pure sare |
Loke ram iti khyate tejsah bhaskaropam ||
(Harivansh 22.104)

4. Chaturvinshe yuge vats tretayaam raghuvanshaje |
Ramo naam bhavishyami chaturvhayu sanatane
|| (Bhramand Puran 2.2.36.30)

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Some more references to Shri Ram in Vedas. Sorry, unlike manzilmukul, I don't remember the exact verses or their exact location in a text, merely remember reading them.😊

Instruction to chant Shri Ram's name . (Rig Veda, somewhere in mandal 10)

Shri Ram declared as the Supreme Personality (Taittriya Upnishad)

Divine Supreme Abode Ayodhya described in detail (Atarva Ved 10.?.?)

Ayodhya the Supreme Abode of Infinite Bliss (Taittriya Aaranyak)

Shri Ram's charit is Ved, for nothing exists beyond it (Agastya Sanhita)

Maa Sita (RigVed 10.3.?)

Describing events of Ramayan (Rig Ved 10.3.3) The English translation of this Vedic verse is already in this forum, in the "Ramayan- Journey of Soul" thread, somewhere on 5th-6th-7th page.

Declaration that the mantra "Hare Rama Hare Rama, Rama Rama Hare Hare, Hare Krishna Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna Hare Hare" destroys all evil, & nothing better than this is to be seen in all the Vedas. (Kali Sanstaran Upnishad)

And many more (though I don't remember any more at the moment.)😆😆

Mention of Shri Sita Ram in Puranas are just tooo numerous, too numerous to count.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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@Mita,
I do agree with you that this serial is missing many necessary scenes dear, but I also agree with Vrish that to compare it to Ramanand Sagarji's Ramayan is not right. As much as I love the 1986 Ramayana, it was not without its own flaws. It was a serial after all, and while it was a great serial which makes one feel devoted to the Lord, it is by no means the original story. Even Ramanand Sagar used more than one source to make his serial. He not only used Valmiki and Ramcharitmanas, but other sources which are shown in the title song.
So if one wants to analyze whether other Ramayan serials are "accurate" or not, they should not compare it to Ramanand Sagar's Ramayan because like other serials, even he used more than one source. Instead, one should compare it to the scriptures themselves. No serial is perfect, not even Ramanand Sagar's. So to analyze the 2008 Ramayan or the 2012 Ramayana, one needs to consult the scriptures and see what is written in them. What do the Vedas say? The Upanishads? Valmiki Ramayna?
Even when the 2008 Ramayana came out, many people (I included) criticized it a lot for showing different stories, saying they never came up in Ramanand Sagar's Ramayan, so they must be wrong. We learned later on that these stories were from different scriptures like Ananda Ramayana and Kritiivasi Ramayana. I have learned through this experience that before critiquing a serial, one must research whether other puranas have written about those incidents, not whether other serials showed it.
I do agree Zee has made many mistakes in its version of Ramayana, but not because Ramanand Sagar did not make those mistakes, but because they are actually mistakes according to the original scriptures.

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