BHARAT JI DID NOT GO ALONE TO CHITRAKUTA

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Lots of deviation shown in this version of Ramayan. Bharat Ji did not alone go to Chitrakuta to take back Prabhu Shri Ramachandra, Mata Siya & Laxmana Ji. Maharishi Vashisht, all the three queens & Sumant also went to Chitrakut Dhama. Later, Videha Janaka & Rani Sunaina also came. It was shown with lots of emotion & devotion in Dr. Ramanand Sagar Ji's Ramayan ( 1987 ) which is my all time favourite. There was a contest between Bharat's self-less love & Shri Ramachandra's duties in which Bharata Ji initially won, but finally Shri Rama could convince all that duties are the most important in life. In 1987, wonderful acting of Arun Ji & Sanjay Ji. Its unforgettable. Its also shown in AS ramayan ( 2008 ). I'm sharing the link below :
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFCwZzEhv9Y
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Posted: 12 years ago
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You are going by past serials, but I question either of them. Is anything mentioned in any of the Ramayans of Bharat declining to take Urmila to see Lakshman? In any of the versions? I happen to think the Sagars invented that track for some imagined application of virtue to those 2. I happen to think that in the original, Bharata may well have taken Urmila, Mandavi & Shrutakirti w/ him, so that in case Rama accepted his proposal, Urmila could have accompanied Lakshman.

Today, they showed Janaka & Sunaina having been there to meet Rama & Bharat.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: .Vrish.

You are going by past serials, but I question either of them. Is anything mentioned in any of the Ramayans of Bharat declining to take Urmila to see Lakshman? In any of the versions? I happen to think the Sagars invented that track for some imagined application of virtue to those 2. I happen to think that in the original, Bharata may well have taken Urmila, Mandavi & Shrutakirti w/ him, so that in case Rama accepted his proposal, Urmila could have accompanied Lakshman.


Today, they showed Janaka & Sunaina having been there to meet Rama & Bharat.



RS ramayan is not just a serial. Dr. Ramanand Sagar showed whatever are there in the scripture. Watching RS Ramayan is equivalent to reading Valmiki Ramayan & Shri Ramacharitmanas.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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No, RSR was based more on Tulsidas and less on Valmiki (and there are huge differences b/w those 2.) In case of Uttarkand, he based it on god knows what, since Valmiki had nothing about Sita volunteering exile, and similarly, there was nothing there about rumors of Rama marrying again, KL's battles w/ BLS or a whole bunch of things in that one.

It's one thing that RSR was the first TV mytho, but to conclude that everything they showed was authentic is wrong, particularly once one reads the original Ramayans. What the serial makers do is take bits & pieces of all versions and mix them, and what's left leaves people scratching their heads.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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"particularly once one reads the original Ramayans."

Just one question.
Which is the "original Ramayans"?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I generally mean Valmiki. In the above case, since I mentioned how different the Uttarkand part was, I was talking more about that only, since Tulsidas doesn't include the Luv-Kush kand. They have an Uttarkand, and that's about the Kaagbhushandi story, which was there in the initial stages of RSR's Uttarkand.

I'd have thought that 'original' automatically means Valmiki (although Vaishistha is also thought to have written a version). Tulsidas was a medieval account, and actually followed a lot of versions. Adhyatma is the account written by Vyasa - and which Tulsidas really follows (particularly the accounts of Lakshman being Sesha naag avatar and so on) and that was written in the Dwapar Yuga. Since then, during the classical age, there were the Ananda Ramayan, Adhbhuta Ramayan and a few more. Even the Bengali Krittivas Ramayan preceded Tulsidas, and IIRC, so did Kamban. So by no means can Tulsidas be called 'original', even if it may be the version many believe.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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since Tulsidas doesn't include the Luv-Kush kand.

Sure about this??? If yes, then obviously we two have been reading different Ramcharit Manas. 😊

So by no means can Tulsidas be called 'original', even if it may be the version many believe.

This is less about what many believe and more about which version is to be taken as more ancient, or more in tune with the oldest recorded events. When subjected to these criteria, it's quite apparent that Valmiki Ramayan enjoys undue importance. If I am to believe in Hindu timeline, then Valmiki Ramayan is not the first account of events in Lord Ram's "life on earth."
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Okay, explain - how does Tulsidas, which was written during the Moghul empire, precede Valmiki?

I saw one book that had Tulsidas Ramayan, which had Uttarkand, and in an appendix, it had a 'Luv-Kush' kand as well. But in those days, poets & authors didn't have this system of appendices, so obviously, this seems to be added there as an afterthought. I had raised this issue in the AS Ramayan forum some years ago, when I was under the impression that Luv-Kush kand was under Tulsidas, and it was pointed out that Uttarkand - which was what I described above - was the last chapter there. Tulsidas did not include any account of what happened after Rama's rajyabhishek.

The main reason Tulsidas is so popular is that it was the first version written in Hindi. But it's certainly not sourced from Valmiki, and conflicts w/ it in several places.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@Vrish:

If you consider Veds to be most ancient, then Rig Ved becomes the first book giving us an extremely summarized account of Shri Ram's "life" as well as telling us who he is.

Further, the same ancient Veds tell us that 'itihaas-puran' are 'sanatan', just like them. (Atarva Ved 11.4.24, Chandogya 7.1.2, Brihadaaranyak 2.4.10) That makes account of Shri Ram's life in say, Shrimad Bhagwat, 'sanatan' just like the person whose account it is. All these Puranic accounts then naturally predate Valmiki's Ramayan.

I've nothing against sage Valmiki. I don't know him, never met him, why would I be angry with him? And I hold his version in high esteem. And if someone thinks that Valmiki's version is the best, well & good, but this opinion should be based on criteria like you are impressed by his writing style or something like that, not because "many believe" that he is the first one to write about Shri Ram.

About Ramcharit Manas, rest assured, I know when it's written.😆 😆 As for "nothing after Shri Ram's Rajyabhishek is mentioned there," I'll have to ask you again, "which Ramcharitmanas have you been reading?" I've a copy with me at my current location, and there are almost 100 pages worth of events AFTER the coronation.

AND, in Ramcharitmanas Uttarkand, this is what I read about Luv & Kush. "Sita gave birth to two pretty sons, Luv & Kush by name, who have figured in the Veds & Puranas. Both these boys were victorious in battle, modest, accomplished and handsome, the very images as it were, of Shri Hari (Ram)"


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: .Vrish.

No, RSR was based more on Tulsidas and less on Valmiki (and there are huge differences b/w those 2.) In case of Uttarkand, he based it on god knows what, since Valmiki had nothing about Sita volunteering exile, and similarly, there was nothing there about rumors of Rama marrying again, KL's battles w/ BLS or a whole bunch of things in that one.


It's one thing that RSR was the first TV mytho, but to conclude that everything they showed was authentic is wrong, particularly once one reads the original Ramayans. What the serial makers do is take bits & pieces of all versions and mix them, and what's left leaves people scratching their heads.



No question of criticising RSR arises dear. Its a classic. People are still loving & watching RSR even after 25 years. Other versions are not that popular like RSR. No show on Ramayan can supercede RSR in popularity not only because it was the first show , but also for presentation, devotion & authenticity. The same is for RSK. RSK is another gem from my respected Sagar Ji. Dr. Ramanand Sagar is very nice, humble & a very honest person. He himself used to give commentaries in between episodes where he mentioned that he always based on scriptures & not on legends like Sulochana being a chaste woman. He himself has claimed that he has not shown it because it is just a Kimvadanti. Yes, Maa Sita voluntiring exile is not mentioned in Valmiki Ramayan, but he consulted other sources like Uttar Ram Charitam, Raghuvansham, Ananda Ramayan. He used to interact with the viewers which current producers never do. So, u should never compare Sagar Ji with any other producers. Dr Ramanand Sagar is still alive in my heart because of His deeds which are immortal. Lots of respect to him.
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