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Posted: 6 years ago
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First of all, I must tell you that I love your id. It is unusual and very beautiful.

Next, I think I did not make it clear enough, but it is not so much my view that Radha was married to someone else as that I was told, by my grandmother, that it was so. I don't think that bothered her at all, for she took it, as you have put it, to be a namesake marriage. Like that of Meera to the Rana,when all the while she states that Krishna is her husband.

Of course Meera is a human being, while Radha is Krishna's eternal beloved and thus divine herself. So your view , that she is an avatar of Mahalakshmi, is the most logical.

However, there is an odd disjunction regarding Radha. Once Krishna leaves Gokul, as far as I am aware - and as I noted earlier, I am not an expert in our mythology - Radha is no longer heard of. Whence perhaps the two theories: one that she became Krishna's flute, and the other that she was Rukmini.

But then Rukmini has a clear background, a brother, and a royal family. It is difficult to see how Radha could become Rukmini. So what happened to Radha? I would be very much interested in your views on this, and on the questions I have listed below.

Then there are the two principal queens of Krishna, Rukmini and Satyabhama, and, as tradition has it, 16007 other wives. Were these 16007 wives the gopis of Brindavan?

Who are Rukmini and Satyabhama? in South India, though names like Radhakrishnan for men and Radha for women are very common, the focus is more on Lord Krishna's principal queens once he becomes the Dwarakadheesh. Especially on the haughty Satyabhama, around whom many dance dramas have been created, especially in Kuchipudi.

People like my grandmother did not ask questions. They simply accepted that Radha was his beloved in the Gokul phase, and once he became a king, it was Rukmini and Satyabhama and the other wives. The old paintings by Ravi Varma have both periods, Radha and Krishna in Brindavan, and Krishna flanked by Rukmini and Satyabhama in the Dwarka phase.

But once you start asking questions, it becomes confusing, at least to me. One fact, however, stands out. Lord Krishna might have had 16009 queens, but when his name is taken along with that of a woman, it is only as Radhakrishna. That says it all.

I am 70, so you could, if you like, call me Shyamala Aunty. Most folk in the IF do that.

Shyamala Cowsik (Aunty?)

Originally posted by: PandavPranayini

I believe Radha is Krishna's other half. None of the scriptures tell you that Radha was married to another man. Actually there is a very less content about Radha in the present surviving scriptures. Ayan is just a folktale and I let it be.

For me Radha is Mahalakshmi, Adi Shakti and Lord's equal. I love to imagine Radha and Krishna as childhood friends and as they grew up, they fell in love. Their separation happened when Krishna was 13. Radha may have been 13 or 14 at that time. According to Garga Samhita, Krishna and Radha had a spiritual marriage with all the devas present as spectators.

There is no chance of her getting married to anyone, and even if she did, later, it was for namesake. But I always prefer the option where she didn't marry. It's my view after all and I respect yours.


Originally posted by: sashashyam

Well, Radha does tell Balaram that Ayan is her baalpan ka sakha. So a childhood friend.Not a relative, for there is no indication that Ayan's parents are related to Vrishbaan or his wife.


As for the rest, I agree with you. I have no idea how they plan to spin out 200 + episodes with a one track story. Right now, Sumedh is carrying the show just like Lord Krishna carrying the Govardhan Parvat. Take him out, and it will collapse.

I am not an expert on our mythology, but I always understood that Radha was married to another man. Her relationship with Krishna is said to be metaphysical. I also read that after she died she was transformed into Krishna's flute.

Shyamala Cowsik



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Posted: 6 years ago
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@Shyamala Aunty, Oh I'm sorry I did not realise that. 😊


The following is my theory, belief and opinion, Aunty:


Radha is Mahalakshmi's avatara, but we also know Rukmini is Mahalakshmi's avatara. Satyabhama is Bhudevi, which again means, she is also Mahalakshmi's avatara. In the similiar way, the eight Chief Queens of Lord Krishna- Rukmini, Satyabhama, Jambavathi, Kalindi, Nagnajiti, Mitravinda, Bhadra and Lakshmana are Ashtalakshmis, so all are forms of Goddess Mahalakshmi and all eight are parts of Goddess Radha. The eight wives of Krishna together make Radha, so if we worship Radha and Krishna, it means we are worshipping the eight wives of Krishna as well, as she is the complete avatara of Mahalakshmi. Rukmini and Satyabhama represent Shri and Bhu, fortune and nature, so Krishna is worshipped with them as well more in a symbolic way. The 16, 100 other wives of Krishna are namesake wives, just like Radha's husband Ayan. And no, they aren't Gopis. They are innocent women kidnapped by the demon Narakasura. After Satyabhama killed him, the women needed a place to live, an identity to live, and their parents odd not accept them back because they are wives of Narakasura already. The normal people dreaded demons back then. So, Krishna married them and told them to call themselves Krishna's wives and they got their honour back in the society.

The conclusion is, Radha and his eight wives aren't different. He was separated from Radha once and reunited with her eight times. 😳
Edited by PandavPranayini - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Thank you so much for a wonderful, lucid explanation, my dear. It is so true that one never stops learning!

You know, there is an Ashtalakshmi temple in Chennai, near the Marina beach, and I have gone there to worship so many times. But I never knew the names of Lord Krishna's eight wives. that is besides Rukmini and Satyabhama. I am so pleased to learn the names of the other six now,and also to have my doubts as to who these other 16000 plus wives were cleared. Thanks again for sorting out all this for me.

I still have one question. Where did the other six come from? And is it that Radha vanished from Gokul and was avatarit as all of them?

Shyamala Aunty

PS: What do I call you?

Originally posted by: PandavPranayini

@Shyamala Aunty, Oh I'm sorry I did not realise that. 😊


The following is my theory, belief and opinion, Aunty:


Radha is Mahalakshmi's avatara, but we also know Rukmini is Mahalakshmi's avatara. Satyabhama is Bhudevi, which again means, she is also Mahalakshmi's avatara. In the similiar way, the eight Chief Queens of Lord Krishna- Rukmini, Satyabhama, Jambavathi, Kalindi, Nagnajiti, Mitravinda, Bhadra and Lakshmana are Ashtalakshmis, so all are forms of Goddess Mahalakshmi and all eight are parts of Goddess Radha. The eight wives of Krishna together make Radha, so if we worship Radha and Krishna, it means we are worshipping the eight wives of Krishna as well, as she is the complete avatara of Mahalakshmi. Rukmini and Satyabhama represent Shri and Bhu, fortune and nature, so Krishna is worshipped with them as well more in a symbolic way. The 16, 100 other wives of Krishna are namesake wives, just like Radha's husband Ayan.

And no, they aren't Gopis. They are innocent women kidnapped by the demon Narakasura. After Satyabhama killed him, the women needed a place to live, an identity to live, and their parents odd not accept them back because they are wives of Narakasura already. The normal people dreaded demons back then. So, Krishna married them and told them to call themselves Krishna's wives and they got their honour back in the society.

The conclusion is, Radha and his eight wives aren't different. He was separated from Radha once and reunited with her eight times. 😳

Edited by sashashyam - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Thank you so much for a wonderful, lucid explanation, my dear. It is so true that one never stops learning!

You know, there is an Ashtalakshmi temple in Chennai, near the Marina beach, and I have gone there to worship so many times. But I never knew the names of Lord Krishna's eight wives. that is besides Rukmini and Satyabhama. I am so pleased to learn the names of the other six now,and also to have my doubts as to who these other 16000 plus wives were cleared. Thanks again for sorting out all this for me.

I still have one question. Where did the other six come from? And is it that Radha vanished from Gokul and was avatarit as all of them?

Shyamala Aunty

PS: What do I call you?


Rukmini is Vidarbha Princess. Satyabhama is Dwaraka treasurer, Satrajit's daughter. Jambavathi is Bear King Jambavan's daughter. Kalindi is the human form of river Yamuna. Nagnajiti is Kosala Princess. Mitravinda is Avanthi princess, and Krishna's cousin. She is the daughter of Vasudeva's sister, Rajadhi. Bhadra is also his cousin and the daughter of Vasudeva's another sister, Shruthakirti. She is Kekaya princess. Lakshmana is Madra princess.

Not Radha, but Mahalakshmi. She took various avataras at the same time. Radha did not vanish, but parts of her soul were born as these eight.

I'm Daakshaayani, Aunty. And it's my pleasure. I love talking about Lord and Goddess. 😳


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Posted: 6 years ago
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You, my dear Daakshaayani, are truly a walking, talking encyclopaedia on all such matters!👏 Thank you for educating me on so many intricate details. I loved it.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: PandavPranayini


Rukmini is Vidarbha Princess. Satyabhama is Dwaraka treasurer, Satrajit's daughter. Jambavathi is Bear King Jambavan's daughter. Kalindi is the human form of river Yamuna. Nagnajiti is Kosala Princess. Mitravinda is Avanthi princess, and Krishna's cousin. She is the daughter of Vasudeva's sister, Rajadhi. Bhadra is also his cousin and the daughter of Vasudeva's another sister, Shruthakirti. She is Kekaya princess. Lakshmana is Madra princess.

Not Radha, but Mahalakshmi. She took various avataras at the same time. Radha did not vanish, but parts of her soul were born as these eight.

I'm Daakshaayani, Aunty. And it's my pleasure. I love talking about Lord and Goddess. 😳



Originally posted by: sashashyam

Thank you so much for a wonderful, lucid explanation, my dear. It is so true that one never stops learning!

You know, there is an Ashtalakshmi temple in Chennai, near the Marina beach, and I have gone there to worship so many times. But I never knew the names of Lord Krishna's eight wives. that is besides Rukmini and Satyabhama. I am so pleased to learn the names of the other six now,and also to have my doubts as to who these other 16000 plus wives were cleared. Thanks again for sorting out all this for me.

I still have one question. Where did the other six come from? And is it that Radha vanished from Gokul and was avatarit as all of them?

Shyamala Aunty

PS: What do I call you?



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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

You, my dear Daakshaayani, are truly a walking, talking encyclopaedia on all such matters! 👏 Thank you for educating me on so many intricate details. I loved it.

Shyamala Aunty



Thank you so much, Aunty, for your kind words! 🤗
Radhe Radhe!
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Posted: 6 years ago
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I had a question about Shri Krishna's wives, the astha bharyas. Are they mentioned in Harivamsa? Or only in Srimad Bhagvatam? I've read a bit of Mahabharata but I read only Rukmini/Rukmavati and Satyabhama's names in it. I've read only the Adi parva for now. Do any further parvas mention the other wives of Krishna?
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Originally posted by: SweetRogue

I had a question about Shri Krishna's wives, the astha bharyas. Are they mentioned in Harivamsa? Or only in Srimad Bhagvatam? I've read a bit of Mahabharata but I read only Rukmini/Rukmavati and Satyabhama's names in it. I've read only the Adi parva for now. Do any further parvas mention the other wives of Krishna?


Mahabharata, the current surviving one, doesn't have much of others. Only Srimad Bhagavatham has them. 😊
We've lost a lot of content from our scriptures because of foreign invasions, that is the reason why our epics appear incomplete.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Inthink he will marry her but die the same day which makes jatila go insane and she blames Radha's inauspicious presence which killed her son and then non stop torture of Radha
😭
Hope story won't take this turn.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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My dear Daakshaayani,
As I have told you earlier, I love your very unusual and beautiful id.

I was curious about the meaning of Pranayini, and now I find that it means Priye, Preyasi, or bharya.
Lovely! So your id is most appealing, both euphonically and in terms of its meaning.

Shyamala Aunty

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