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Posted: 10 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: SheAish

I've been trying to keep away from forcing my comments on your posts since you got a little peeved with me when I was zealously defending Ahil at the latter weeks of Q2.

I still feel quite sorry that I managed to get you so offended considering how patient you are at this forum...

Anyways...after reading all the comments here I realized one thing. I think there is small divide in how some of us Sahilians view the situation with Shaad and Jannat from the very beginning and it has still remained so...

For some of us like me, what ever Shaad's other actions are, his actions with regards to Jannat has been that of a negative character.

Him being touchy feely with her while duping her into believing he is her husband is one such action...An average person or even a grey character would be shown to resist and try and be less touchy and keep a distance with her even if he fell in love with her because he knows that it is not consented by her and thus would feel like he is molesting her in this case.
Shaad does not show any guilt or reservations about doing this to her at all.

Him closing the missing persons file was a calculated decision to keep her from getting back to her family and her identity so he can live the lie with her...Here again no show of guilt or feeling conflicted about what he is doing to her about taking away her rights is show by Shaad. Infact he is very happy in the narrow world her had created for her which just includes him and the present with no identity or family of her own.

Feeding her more lies and discounting her FBs and dejavu feelings are adding stress to her mental health so much that even he himself acknowledges that remembering her past is distressing her. What is not acknowledged is how instrumental he is in keeping her in this traumatic state and instead is just giving her medication for the surface symptoms...

KK, Minnie, Juhi, Mandy, Michy, Simmy, Me and a few others see these actions as dangerous and inhuman towards a human being.
Yes he is providing her with food, shelter, clothing and medication and even companionship, but to the extent that it serves his purpose and need to keep her with him and nothing beyond that...

Now Ahil has figured out that Shaad is lying to her about her marriage to him, so he an clearly see Shaads actions with regards to her mental stress and his lies and Ahil can also see Shaad touching and living together with her in a compromising and violative situation for a girl to be in.

Given how we see these actions of Shaad, as harmful and exploitative we expect Ahil as the only one aware of the situation of Sanam right now, to show urgency and clear perspective in dealing with it. So we are dissapointed and cannot relate to this Ahil.

I can see that for some of you guys Shaads actions is more seen with respect to commiting a mistake out of his love for her and being a little selfish about it in the process, but is not seen as exploiting Jannat in the process. I gues you guys find the PDA by Shaad unsettling because Sanam is a married woman and not simply because she is a woman being forcibly placed in a compromising touchy feely situation with a random stranger without a choice.

If I look at this divide I guess Gul and the team has not done too bad with regards to convincing the audience about Shaad and his character and infact has succeeded in down playing the issue of a woman being conned into living with a man away from family and her true identity as his wife as not so grave an issue...

Or maybe few of us who see this as such a grave and huge issue, are taking things too seriously and being too sensitive about it..
But one thing I am absolutely sure about is, in real world any women we see in this situation would be seen as a victim of kidnapping and exploitation and he will be treated like a criminal by the society.




Aish 👏👏👏

Though it deserves a seperate post, these days i m very less active on the forum, just managed to see ur post n could not stop myself frm commenting,

In light of all that has happened throughout the Pak track, this baggage seems to be too much fr me to carry, it seems, if the issue was dealt with n acknowledged, i would hv enjoyed it, but with Aahil too turning a blind eye to the situation, seems like a last nail in the coffin, 😕 honestly not much excited about it now,

Not critisizing those who are able to enjoy it as such, if they can let go if the fact for which some of us have been pulling out our hairs, but fr us its really hard to enjoy the romance in the situation where a big issue is there to be dealt with ..

, PDA thing looks so insignificant infront of the big issue there,
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Why is alright that Saif (fiance of Nazia) is openly flirting and in fact actually sleeping with Sanam2, considered good chemistry and entertaining. But not so with Shaad and Jannat? When they are in fact quite chaste apart from those contentious face holding? Why didn't RaHaFa bother us this much?

I'll tell you why.

Because we are watching for Aahil and Sanam.
We care about them, and we hate the things that separate them, whatever it is.
We can't stand anything coming in their way and robbing them of each other.


Sagey, this is not true and you should know this is not true. SA and I especially had NEVER even made this about Extra-Marital affair or about SaHil. There have been others who have initially, but not SA, myself and one or two others. We have from the beginning been saying over and over this is the lack of agency and lack of acknowledgment. Saif and Sanam2 are shown for what they are.

To say this is because it's the obstacle to SaHil is not correct. In fact I can enjoy ChuHil for what they are because there is agency there as well as acknowledgment.

Again, you are viewing this from the point of what is shown in terms of physical intimacy or even what kind of physical intimacy is going on. THAT is NOT how SA and I have ever viewed it. I was all fine with a triangle wouldn't have raised any issue if Jannat had known of her situation and wanted to pretend to be in a marriage, be in a marriage, be in a live-in relationship or whatever. I would NOT have objected.

(And I know later you make the same point about intimacy. However within this part, you compare and contrast level of intimacy as opposed to agency and portrayal/acknowledgment of the situations.)
Edited by KhatamKahani - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#33
Sage ... Im the one who hate ShaJan thingy n still like Saif n Chudail n consider it hot n happening chemistry ,,,, Reason both r not pretending anything, they are acting like what they are, its a relationship between two consensual individuals, BOTH HAVE THEIR CHOICES ... Their chemistry sizzles, yes, A LOT. But its not because i want Chudail out of Aahil's life thats why i like them,
Any jodi without a pretense even if they are not liked by me, doesnot get my hate, i hv always reacted strongly against RaHaFa too ,
Edited by micshy - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#34
And well,
Shaad as of he is now will not back off if he gets to know the truth, he will be forced to back off inorder to glorify him , which is these writers are best at doing, 😕
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Ok I don't know if I should tell here but anyways I just...ok let me just blurt it out!
I agree and understand the opinions here of everyone. And most of them are absolutely right specially about Aahil's lack of reaction to letting Sanam go with a stranger.
But...But...guys you all have to get this agree or not! Cvs will not give any monologue to Aahil regarding Shaad. No never! The reason is how much his actions are negetive they won't declare him negetive...Cvs always had a habit of glorifying unnecessary things and right now they are glorifying Shaad by butchering ML to some extent. And they would continue to do so just like they did in season 2. Its just waste of our time to keep on annoyed all the time when CVs does not really care about it. And Sooner we accept it the better for us. Infact even today Cvs was busy glorifying Shaad who looked more disgusting. And Aahil seemed least bothered about him except he looked kind of disappointed or disturbed when Jannat was doing Shaad jaap again. Better we watch the show with different perspective or we just don't watch it ! But honestly all these are just recent development by cvs. Sorry if I hurted someone by my POV
Edited by flora212 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Nafs, you know where I stand.
But just let it be. This needs to go on for a bit longer. Just a bit longer.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: flora212

Ok I don't know if I should tell here but anyways I just...ok let me just blurt it out!

I agree and understand the opinions here of everyone. And most of them are absolutely right specially about Aahil's lack of reaction to letting Sanam go with a stranger.
But...But...guys you all have to get this agree or not! Cvs will not give any monologue to Aahil regarding Shaad. No never! The reason is how much his actions are negetive they won't declare him negetive...Cvs always had a habit of glorifying unnecessary things and right now they are glorifying Shaad by butchering ML to some extent. And they would continue to do so just like they did in season 2. Its just waste of our time to keep on annoyed all the time when CVs does not really care about it. And Sooner we accept it the better for us. Infact even today Cvs was busy glorifying Shaad who looked more disgusting. And Aahil seemed least bothered about him except he looked kind of disappointed or disturbed when Jannat was doing Shaad jaap again. Better we watch the show with different perspective or we just don't watch it ! But honestly all these are just recent development by cvs. Sorry if I hurted someone by my POV


I totally agree with u, Shaad will be glorified , his actions wont be called what they actually are 😕 bold is the only option
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: KhatamKahani

Nafs, you know where I stand.

But just let it be. This needs to go on for a bit longer. Just a bit longer.

I know where you stand. And my comment was just in general nothing directed to anyone. A bit longer 😆 yeah I guess this topic will go bit longer 😛
Edited by flora212 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#39

Originally posted by: flora212

I know where you stand. And my comment was just in general nothing directed to anyone. A bit longer 😆 yeah I guess this topic will go bit longer 😛


I know, it wasn't to me.😛 I left this on Monday, and am only here to back up SA.😃
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Hey Sage! Just wanted to drop in and say lovely post 😳 I agree floppy haired Aahil is so cute And Lateef 🤣 I love Lateef's dialogues! And the new version of Junoon is gorgeous ❤️ Yes its all for drama, torture and angst 😆 For me as long as SaHil are in the same frame and falling in love, I will look forward to watching the episodes 😳 Have waited so long, can wait some more 😆 It gets frustrating at time and fun during others! So I am just chillin, enjoying and seeing where its all headed! As long as SaHil and Junoon are there, I am in 😉 Nothing much more to say, dont wanna open a new can of worms 😆 But great post as usual ⭐️

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