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Posted: 12 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: Barunish

Is it so hard to find if a place burned down that too a factory specially for asad who is in construction business and why zoya did not take the credit card bills directly to Assad or Dilshaad isn't zoya hacker can't she hack the website of tanu and get proof
Precap why wait for morning I would call asad rt away and show the sticker
If asad dumb khan still feels his tanu is doodh ki dhuli after looking at stickers then I feel sorry for zoya why would anybody keep burnt stickers atleast show asad in thinking mode if not smart is he shireen aulad

Well said👏 For Asad it shd be a child's play but NO he is acting out like a scared child😕😆 I too didnt understand when the bank statements were there, Zoya kept them nicely back into place😆😆 That was stupid. And the stickers too is backfiring. Again Zoya cld have quielty called Asad but no she waits for morning, even after the pain of apologizing. I guess there was a mitwa moment in between so she must have forgotten😆😆😆. Zoya is simple and not shrewd like Tanveer hence her techniques are failing her.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#22

Originally posted by: realitybites

Ok, please see that I am not contesting your opinion. Just trying to know other perspectives. Yes Zoya does make accusations but she did support to some extent. Asad does know that Zoya is clear person by heart. Yes he does not know and that is why He shd try to know that why Zoya is saying what she is? As Zoya said I have seen the papers? On trusting a childhood friend, thats fine and infact hugging too is but what is not fair is ignoring the signs in front of you. Tanveer clearly stated had she not gone then perhaps she wld have been in place of Zoya? And so many times Tanveer is clinging onto Asad and holding his hand. Well thats not etiquettes in any culture.

Importantly Etiquettes without intent or heart are useless. Its better to be true to oneself and putting on a dangerous mask.
Zoya is not crude, she is spunky and speaks her mind. She is well mannered and modern thats all. If situation demands she does adapt. Thats etiquette.
On jealousy well😆 Asad exactly isnt comfortable with that.



I am not entirely certain that Mr.Khan 'knows' that Ms. Farouqui "is a clear person by heart." At the very least, he has never demonstrated faith in her, which bespeaks a lack of trust in a person's character and/or 'heart'.
That her actions have been supported by Dilshaad and have somehow managed to touch him since he is an emotional person is besides the point.

Certainly, he did try to give Ms. Faoruqui the benefit of the doubt.
He waited until she had completed her allegations.
He did not gainsay her.
He waited to see if she would produce evidence to back up her claims.

And when the last did not materialize, he was then forced to fall back on what had actually transpired:
Ms. Farouqui had accused, without proof; and his childhood friend was humiliated and hurt.

I have at no point mentioned Tunveer's manners or lack thereof; only what Dilshaad and Mr. Khan think of her; so the comparison is moot.
In any case, Mr.Khan may have excused Tunveer's clingy behavior on grounds of extreme emotions - whether depressed or frightened, or hurt, etc.


If one were true to oneself instead of wearing a mask, society would not function.
Unfortunately we all wear masks every single day.
We do not tell our relatives what we really think of them; we do not tell our friends or people with whom we work/study what we really think of them; and more importantly, most people lie to themselves.
Society works on these so-called white-lies.
For example, one does not tell one's child that the child is not over-bright or is really ugly. One simply encourages the child to do better.

When one practices good manners and etiquette on a daily basis, soon they become part of one's character. These norms are tried and tested and usually taught for a reason. In this, then, one is true to themselves.

Certainly, Ms.Farouqui speaks her mind. But I have observed that even good guests try to observe the rules of the house in which they are staying as guests.
If you go back to the beginning episodes, she has only made the bare minimum of effort to comply with the house rules and that too after repeated admonishments and prodding.
I do not believe she is well-mannered at all.
She is, however, spunky and bold. But such bold actions, many times, are offensive to people who may be more than capable of managing their affairs themselves or like the situation the way it is.
A lot of motives drive people.
And with a bare, cursory knowledge of the situation to go trampling into any situation, thereby making it worse, has been a hallmark of Ms. Farouqui so far.
It has only been Dilshaad waving her wand of 'good deed' over Ms. Farouqui's caused debacles and/or Mr.Khan's involved emotions that have repeatedly 'saved' her.

Again, based on events as they transpired, Ms. Farouqui ought to have apologized herself, even if not very sincerely (rules of soceity we all live in). That she knows the truth and would seek to expose it at a later stage is immaterial at this point.

That Mr. Khan had to make her do so, shows that from the very beginning he has been trying to teach her as if she is a recalcitrant child.
At present, he can, perhaps, see only jealousy motivating her actions.

Jayne


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Posted: 12 years ago
#23

Originally posted by: ---Nisha---

Is this love? No, hell NO.

Distrusting the woman you love, ordering her to do something against her will, making her bow, hurting her self- respect and pride are not signs of a man in love. He can sing ballads morning to night of how much he loves Zoya but I still won't be convinced because he does not respect her or care for her feelings otherwise he would not have MADE her do something that brought her to tears.

Asad Ahmed Khan is a scumbag. He really is one disgusting man. Ego, the size of this planet, hypocrisy evident in his each breath, jackassery evident in his every stance and word.
The only thing he has got going on for him is that he is hot. But you know what, there are a lot hotter men out where who are not scumbags, who are not judgmental or hypocrites...

Asad does not deserve love...I am clear about that much. If he did deserve love then he wouldnt act like a asshole when he did find love. He wouldnt insult the woman he says he loves to please an outsider.

Is this how you treat family member (which is what he called her)? I dont know about you but if someone in my family said that that person is lying and they did not have proof well I would accept that because they are family. And no matter how good a friend or how old a friend...they are still an outsider, they are not family.
Funny thing is...Asad miyan says its not that I dont trust you but you dont have proof. Good one...laughed my ass of at that one. Asad retard...what does it mean to trust? do you even knw? It's when you do not need proof or evidence, you just trust...you believe.

So very well said👏👏👏⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ esp the bold. Very true that we learn to trust our family first and then others. Thats social behavior.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#24
its not asad's fault..
a guest at ur house who is ur husband's best frnd and he loves his frnd a lot...if you would accuse the guest when she is in pain and burnt everywhere on her body then u wud obviously have to appologize


ps- yes tannu isnt innocent but asad doesnt know that..he just knows that his to be wife is insulting someone who is in pain
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Posted: 12 years ago
#25

Originally posted by: trina2010

With due respect to your opinion let me ask you IS IT right to ignore the facts that Zoya said today that she experienced herself?

Is it right to notice your so called friend constantly hitting on you but ignore?
Is it right to shut your eyes and mind totally and not even enquire once about your so called best friends hubby( who constantly tried to kill her ever since he decided to marry Zoya and that too in the presence of many people and not even once get spotted by anyone?
Is it ok to trust a clearly visible stone eyes woman to be a man just because his friend told him so?
I don't think it is right.
Zoyas words were not given importance even once today either by mommy or son dearest.
Is that right as well? Specially in the past whenever she noticed something it became right all the time.
No matter how spunky she is and what kind of clothing she wears she never caused anyone any harm but her observations have a success rate of 100% so far.
Is it ok to remember friends love for fried fish only and forget Zoyas observations about things that saved Dilshad life and also that she will never attack anyone close to the family just because she is jealous.
In fact she cared for Tanveer a lot Everytime she is sick( or pretended to be sick)forgetting everything else.
Yes I feel Asad is WRONG today again and cannot be justified


Certainly all observations merit regard.
However, with no proof, one must take them for they appear to be:
Jealous rantings, perhaps?

As for Mr. Khan, he never supporting Ms. Farouqui; he has never really done so.

He is still trying to reconcile heart and mind.
I will say it again that 'never meant any harm' is simply whitewashing her complete lack of regard for other's feelings and interfering in matters that do not concern her. She has done so from the beginning.
This is very poor manners, indeed.
One can sympathize, one can even venture forth an opinion, if asked, and one can certainyl aid a family member if they seek to resolve any situation, but to just forge ahead, on incomplete information, and bleat the horn of 'But I meant well!' when the whole thing ends in a disaster and hurts many people involved only serves to showcase one's arrogance in thinking one can solve everyone's problems... whether they want it solved or not.

Mr.Khan seeming to care for Tunveer and not Ms. Farouqui is, both, a defense mechanism and an inability to come to terms with contrary opinions of mind and heart..
He is still quite displeased by Ms. Farouqui's behavior at all times.
Whether he is right in thinking so or not is not the point.
That he does so, and thus feels almost always, at the very least, exasperated with Ms. Farouqui is the main point of contention for Ms. Farouqui.
Mr. Khan had not really gotten to know Ms. Farouqui yet.
A person is a lot more than the story of their past.

However, he has observed her actions, and they are almost all contrary to how he thinks she ought to conduct herself (whether he is right or wrong in thinking so).
I cannot blame him for wanting her to apologize to another guest in the house.
At present, as his fiancee, she has cast aspersions on another person, a personal friend, without proof, hurt and humiliated them, and must at least apologize for doing so, since she never produced anyt proof... for which he waited.

Whether he checks up on the matter later, or keeps a closer eye on Tunveer because this incident has raised a lot of questions in his mind is for later.
What transpired today required an apology.


Jayne

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Posted: 12 years ago
#26

Originally posted by: Jayne



I am not entirely certain that Mr.Khan 'knows' that Ms. Farouqui "is a clear person by heart." At the very least, he has never demonstrated faith in her, which bespeaks a lack of trust in a person's character and/or 'heart'.


That her actions have been supported by Dilshaad and have somehow managed to touch him since he is an emotional person is besides the point.

Certainly, he did try to give Ms. Faoruqui the benefit of the doubt.
He waited until she had completed her allegations.
He did not gainsay her.
He waited to see if she would produce evidence to back up her claims.

And when the last did not materialize, he was then forced to fall back on what had actually transpired:
Ms. Farouqui had accused, without proof; and his childhood friend was humiliated and hurt.

I have at no point mentioned Tunveer's manners or lack thereof; only what Dilshaad and Mr. Khan think of her; so the comparison is moot.
In any case, Mr.Khan may have excused Tunveer's clingy behavior on grounds of extreme emotions - whether depressed or frightened, or hurt, etc.


If one were true to oneself instead of wearing a mask, society would not function.
Unfortunately we all wear masks every single day.
We do not tell our relatives what we really think of them; we do not tell our friends or people with whom we work/study what we really think of them; and more importantly, most people lie to themselves.
Society works on these so-called white-lies.
For example, one does not tell one's child that the child is not over-bright or is really ugly. One simply encourages the child to do better.

When one practices good manners and etiquette on a daily basis, soon they become part of one's character. These norms are tried and tested and usually taught for a reason. In this, then, one is true to themselves.

Certainly, Ms.Farouqui speaks her mind. But I have observed that even good guests try to observe the rules of the house in which they are staying as guests.
If you go back to the beginning episodes, she has only made the bare minimum of effort to comply with the house rules and that too after repeated admonishments and prodding.
I do not believe she is well-mannered at all.
She is, however, spunky and bold. But such bold actions, many times, are offensive to people who may be more than capable of managing their affairs themselves or like the situation the way it is.
A lot of motives drive people.
And with a bare, cursory knowledge of the situation to go trampling into any situation, thereby making it worse, has been a hallmark of Ms. Farouqui so far.
It has only been Dilshaad waving her wand of 'good deed' over Ms. Farouqui's caused debacles and/or Mr.Khan's involved emotions that have repeatedly 'saved' her.

Again, based on events as they transpired, Ms. Farouqui ought to have apologized herself, even if not very sincerely (rules of soceity we all live in). That she knows the truth and would seek to expose it at a later stage is immaterial at this point.

That Mr. Khan had to make her do so, shows that from the very beginning he has been trying to teach her as if she is a recalcitrant child.
At present, he can, perhaps, see only jealousy motivating her actions.

Jayne


Well as its been shown to us and to Khan family, they have said so many ways that Zoya is innocent and Dilshad even explained to Asad that Zoya went to Ayaan engagement for him. She is a sweet person who would go ahead and do things for people she cares without a worry in the world. Asad has also told Zoya that she does not delve much and does things with her heart. Asad has seen Zoya for so long during all their travails and guess all this is indicative. Its not about not finding the proof but the point of trusting her that she must have seen some papers and is telling the truth. Asad believes Zoya humiliated Tanveer but what about the hurt he caused her? He has always been rebuking her in meanest of words and full of bitterness. Is that etiquette?
Zoya felt comfortable in Khan house and she tried to stay as per her style, yes that was wrong and she did adapt. No body defended her then. SHe adapts and learns to deal with people who care unlike Asad who hurt and give pain to people they claim to love.
Offensive is Tanveer interfering in engagement/marriage of Asad-Zoya. She made her own observations and voiced them without being asked for. Are these etiquettes? even from Asad's point of view?
Jealousy for what?😆😆 Asad is marrying ZOya and not Tanveer. Why wld she be jealous? THis was pointedly asked by Zoya today and Asad did not reply.
BTW above all Asad is a smart and intelligent business man and he ought to know how to recognize right and wrong. He is a self made man.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Yes family members should not insult guests without solid proof! So yes he was right!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: --Kriti--

its not asad's fault..

a guest at ur house who is ur husband's best frnd and he loves his frnd a lot...if you would accuse the guest when she is in pain and burnt everywhere on her body then u wud obviously have to appologize


ps- yes tannu isnt innocent but asad doesnt know that..he just knows that his to be wife is insulting someone who is in pain

Agreed, but there is another side to it. Family comes first before anyone else-friend or colleague or anyone. Family is the closest social unit. Love and trust breeds amongst the family members. Guest as the term states is an outsider and you NOT uphold guest over family. The significant point is why is Asad not understanding that Zoya can be right without demanding proof? He considers her family, right? Then at least give her that credence. Its not why is he trusting/not trusting Tanveer but why is he NOT giving credence to what Zoya has to say? He is able to see hurt of Tanveer but what about the hurt he caused to Zoya? Is that to be overlooked?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nkapoor3

Yes family members should not insult guests without solid proof! So yes he was right!

😆😆 Isnt insult of one member of the family, the insult of the house?🤔 What wonderful hosts who want to be insulted by a passing guest!!😆😆😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
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More so, it is perfectly fine for the well mannered and full of "tehzeeb" Tanveer to blackmail Asad that if Zoya is not stopping her accusations then she will pack up and leave the house? Is that good manners for a guest to mistreat the host? If Zoya had been the one with misdemeanor then she cld have resorted to tit for tat and threatened to leave herself? What wld that have led to? 😆😆 Perhaps thats why Dilshad mitigates the situation and its her apology that makes Zoya do so and not Asad.

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