Speak Urdu, but Can't Write it? LOL!

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Old username: salvatore-nina

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Posted: 12 years ago

#91

Originally posted by: TheJake
I have been watching the show on and off ... After watching today's episode was wondering, does not India-Muslims know how to write Urdu?

My question is to CVs, if you wanted to make a show based on Muslim families - Urdu speaking families ... At least, should have done your homework properly. Or what was the point of creating the show in the first place?

I understand majority of people living in India does not know how to read Urdu. Understandable. It's not a Urdu speaking country, but then again, people living in Pak or non-Indians who watch Indian shows do not know how to read Hindi either. Kam Chala Hi Letein Hain.

When Asad was already narrating the message, was that message being in Hindi really necessary? This show is so bloody unrealistic. I think, this show is only on top due to popularity of actors and romance. Other than that, the show is a joke, no offence. Especially to people who relate to this culture.

At least, could have written in Roman English. Asad message should have been this way. Not that hard:

or

(Umeed Hai Aap Is Baar Saree Ki Kurti Nahin Banaengi. Shaam 8 Baje Backyard Mein Isse Peh Ker).

Nice post! I don't know what makes this show popular but it could be a combination of romance, intense drama what with all the secrets and lies and games being played, and probably some other things as well. But I completely agree with your above post! Many of these Hindi shows are unrealistic and writers and CVs hardly ever seem to do their research. But I guess the audience hardly cares. This is why these shows are so successful. Some shows have a lot of illogical things going on but the audience still tunes in to watch. I think it's best to keep low expectations of these serials. I get my hopes up when an interesting show comes on despite knowing what will eventually happen to it and keep telling myself "Don't expect too much." It doesn't seem to work though. I was excited for this show in the beginning and gave it a try. Two episodes in, I was done. My family occasionally watches it and they like it but I don't find anything appealing about this show. I like the new Ayaan though when I do get glimpses of what's happening in the show but it's really not my cup of tea.

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delena90

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Posted: 12 years ago

#92

Originally posted by: LoveAngel21

Fine maybe Urdu is not spoken in Bangladesh, bt the rest of the argument remains true. Urdu is spoken, not just in UP...its the State language of J&K and second language in AP and bengal and its also widely spoken in Punjab and Bihar. Last time I checked all these were Indian States.

They speak Punjabi and Hindi not Urdu.

Again just because a few million people speak it doesn't make it a language all Muslims speak.

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Old username: salvatore-nina

@FireLordPhoenix

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Posted: 12 years ago

#93

Originally posted by: TheJake
Actually, I blame CVs.

They do not have new ideas regarding their so called 'New' shows. They barely know what they are doing. Only love-struck viewers ended up making their production popular.

They made Geet then thought how could they make it again - only a bit differ? They made IPK by putting many characters in there (There was barely anyone in Geet) ... Out of ideas ... Thought of making an other show in an other channel ... Thinking, how could you make same thing again but differently? Aha! Let's convert all the characters into Muslims even tho we have no idea about the culture! 🤣

🤣 To that I agree! It's all the same.

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Old username: salvatore-nina

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Posted: 12 years ago

#94

Just a question, maybe someone can help me -Wasn't this show touted as a social drama in the beginning? What is it now?

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Tvbug2011

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Posted: 12 years ago

#95

Originally posted by: TheJake
By the way, it amazes me - Instead of changing the fact - not changing but at least, agreeing ... acceptig. Thinking, Haan Yaar, whatever the case, this is wrong. Urdu speakers at least should learn how to write Urdu ... Should show the culture how it's suppose to be.(Have that advantage because it's a fiction show)

But People are busy giving excuses and defending it instead - And since I'm sure all of us are not from the same culture I sense a bit of prejudice in comments.

I could be wrong but that's just me.

@bold: Perhaps Gul wants to portray the reality of Indian Muslim culture the way it is today, which is that while many Muslims do speak Urdu daily (pure or as a dialect: eg Dakhani in Hyderabad), many do not write it. Particularly the younger generation (like Asad) who manage big businesses would not be expected to write in Urdu on a daily basis, and especially not when writing what amounts to a love note to his fiance who is from New York, and may or may not know how to read Urdu.

Had this been Ghaffuur writing to Razia or Badi Bi, he may well have written in Urdu - see he still wears a Sherwani and belongs to the old school. Whereas, Asad is a modern man - a sharp dresser, who can dance ballroom.

Again if this serial was set a few decades earlier, say in the 1970s or 1980s, I would expect to see Urdu. But let's face it, Urdu is in decline in India. It is one of the official languages of a handful of states in India - Uttar Pradesh, Andhra Pradesh, Jammu and Kashmir, Bihar, West Bengal and Delhi - but not of Madhya Pradesh, where Asad lives. So Asad may not have been taught to write Urdu, but he would definitely have learnt to read and write Hindi, which is the official language of MP.

Still, it is a bit odd that Asad would choose to write a love note to Zoya in Hindi, as others have previously pointed out, she is unlikely to have learnt Hindi in New York.

Which brings me to Zee TV. Zee is Hindi/Hindustani channel. Qubool Hai is targeted at a pan-India audience. TRPs come from the Indian audience, and not from online viewers. So, to reach the widest possible viewership, Qubool Hai must be in a language that they can understand, which is Hindi. And hence the note in Hindi.

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Posted: 12 years ago

#96

Originally posted by: TheJake
By the way, it amazes me - Instead of changing the fact - not changing but at least, agreeing ... acceptig. Thinking, Haan Yaar, whatever the case, this is wrong. Urdu speakers at least should learn how to write Urdu ... Should show the culture how it's suppose to be.(Have that advantage because it's a fiction show)

But People are busy giving excuses and defending it instead - And since I'm sure all of us are not from the same culture I sense a bit of prejudice in comments.

I could be wrong but that's just me.

Ummm, what amazes me is that you'd actually think that a "difference in culture" is the basis of this otherwise very healthy discussion. I'm sure that many people belonging to the "same culture" on this very post might have had varied opinions. I believe it's very unfair on your part to drag cultures, or accuse someone of being so petty or biased

There are always people with different opinions, and i'm assuming that you as a topic maker would be open to those. But by saying something like " Instead of changing the fact - not changing but at least, agreeing ... acceptig. Thinking, Haan Yaar, whatever the case, this is wrong. Urdu speakers at least should learn how to write Urdu ... Should show the culture how it's suppose to be

But People are busy giving excuses and defending it instead"

you're actually saying that what you said has to be true, and anyone who disagrees is by default wrong. Excuses? Defending? It's a discussion, that's what people are doing, discussing. The use of the words "Excuse" and "Defend" very wrongly implies that something wrong is being done. All these people are really guilty of is putting forth their views.

Sorry, i know it's a rude post, but the tone of yours kinda upset me as a reader, no prejudice, i didn't even know/remember that you were from some other country. Insults my intellect as a reader/commenter...Us mere mortals too are capable of being unbiased/having opinions/ Being right

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Posted: 12 years ago

#97

Originally posted by: delena90

They speak Punjabi and Hindi not Urdu.

Again just because a few million people speak it doesn't make it a language all Muslims speak.

Urdu is widely spoken with a punjabi dialect in Punjab, and its one of the official languages of Bihar. Sweetheart not just a few million, more than 60 million Indians speak Urdu! And as for its significance in Muslim culture, signboards in even Mecca and Madina are written in Urdu alongwith Arabic and English. As for Bhopali Muslims, I know for a fact that educated families do teach their children Urdu. Since this show is based in Bhopal, it wud not hv been out of place, had Asad written the note in Urdu. If this doesn't convince you of Urdu's importance to Muslim culture, I don't know what will.

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delena90

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Posted: 12 years ago

#98

Originally posted by: LoveAngel21

Urdu is widely spoken with a punjabi dialect in Punjab, and its one of the official languages of Bihar. Sweetheart not just a few million, more than 60 million Indians speak Urdu! And as for its significance in Muslim culture, signboards in even Mecca and Madina are written in Urdu alongwith Arabic and English. As for Bhopali Muslims, I know for a fact that educated families do teach their children Urdu. Since this show is based in Bhopal, it wud not hv been out of place, had Asad written the note in Urdu. If this doesn't convince you of Urdu's importance to Muslim culture, I don't know what will.

60 million out 1 billion people yeah you are right it's not a few million. What was I thinking, sweetheart? 🤢

@bold - who gave you that little fact? Have you met all educated Bhopali Muslims?

And as i told a another poster - nobody is questioning the importance of Urdu to Muslims but the fact remains that this is a show about Indian Muslims in general who are not obligated to know how to write Urdu. A handful of Muslims do not define what Muslim culture is.

The show is made in India for an Indian audience. Gul is under no obligation to have her characters speak or write Urdu.

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Posted: 12 years ago

#99

Originally posted by: LoveAsYa222

U thought I was Sadia? 🤣 Oh welll...I'm mystery girl aka Rosy 😳 No one knows my real name or anything much abt me so thats why I'm also the mystery girl 😆 And subjects are only taught in Hindi in Govt. schools which only poor people go to nowadays...but I really need an answer on reading Zee Tv an Qubool Hai fact 🤣 Or...we can just end it here 😃 Whats ur name? 😃

Lol, yeah 😛

I'm mystery girl 2 yaar, no one knows mine either 😎 :p

Lol, sadly there are a LOT of poor people in India :(

By poor i not only mean people below the poverty line, even people who just manage to get by :(

Or other people who don't have anyone to teach them :(

Hahaha, that got me thinking :p

If you're looking for a serious answer, then log kaha padhne ki koshish bhi karte hai, they recognize the logo and that's all they need for ZeeTv

For QH they recognize the faces and banner. You also have timings and all. (Like they know that at 9:30 qubool hai comes )

Otherwise, kee farak painda (slang for "What difference does it make" ) Still 2nd in TRPs 😎 ( Honestly, i doubt those many illiterate/reeeally rural people watch the show, I pointed out the English thing just for the sake of discussion, not because i thought it mattered :P )

Which country are you from? 😊