Asad really loves Zoya? He DOES NOT

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Meaningful

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Posted: 12 years ago

#11

But Gul Khan and the other director of this show are females - right?

How are they able to show young women as fools and forgiving princesses - i do not understand.

I know i will have chappals and rotten tomatoes, but this why i could not relate to and watch ipkknd. And the endless so called accidental romance in that show was irritating - only in the first few episodes, because i actually watched only few.

However, i cannot be so harsh with Zoya - Asad. Still waiting for both to improve in their respective characters.

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Rita Patel

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Posted: 12 years ago

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What CV's needed to do was to show another male coming into Zoya's life, but not Aayan, who would respect and treat her with dignity. He is taking her for granted, that she will understand EVERYTIME! Is this how you treat a guest in your house? Forget someone you are shown to be in love with now or later. He introduced Zoya so formally to Tanveer as a relative of a friend...and this is how you treat her. She doesn't deserve any abuse from this man, what would happen if she married him. I dislike the way they are portraying him overall, except when he apologizes...but how many times can one accept an apology!

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mila112

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Posted: 12 years ago

#13

Dont think he is in love yet, strong attraction may be and he is struggling hard not to acknowledge those feelings.

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princessjojo

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Posted: 12 years ago

#14

If he calls her a habit, then I think his feelings have gone quite far.

Love is love. Respect is respect. In romantic relationships, love without respect is hollow/unfulfilling and respect without love may be tolerable. I think it's very possible to love someone but not respect them- cheaters, abusers anyone? But that type of love is not worth much, at least not to me. So in my opinion, he may or may not love her but until he learns to respect AND love her, she should do herself a favor: drop any expectations and maintain dignity and distance.

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Jayne

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Posted: 12 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: Meaningful
But Gul Khan and the other director of this show are females - right?
How are they able to show young women and fools and forgiving princesses - i do not understand.

I know i will have chappals and rotten tomatoes, but this why i could not relate to and watch ipkknd. And the endless so called accidental romance in that show was irritating - only in the first few episodes, because i actually watched only few.

However, i cannot be so harsh with Zoya - Asad. Still waiting for both to improve in their respective characters.

It's called conditioning.
If you notice, a lot of saas-buhoo shows by Ekta Kapoor became huge hits in the late 90s and early 2000s...a large amount of the TRPs were stay-at-home moms and Mother-in-laws...guess why those tracks were so popular?

Also, in almost all of those tracks, the DIL was shown as being respectful, subservient, and tolerating all kinds of torture of horrible proportions. This was shown in detail over a period of years and relished by all the MILs (coz, DILs may have been actually out there holding a job and bringing in the moolah to worry about such shows).
Then the show would suddenly come to an end with a two-episode long lecture about the DIL 'turning' her in-laws 'good'...alls well that ends well.
Blech!🤢
No one cared about those last two episodes, and it made and continues to make no impression.
Considering that the CVs are also mostly men, and many from joint families who just love this kind of sh*t, this kind of story makes sense.

So shows like 'Udaan'* from late eighties - truly inspirational - have given way to this 'conditioning' by the men (the main writers) to bring back the woman 'to heel'.

The country is, unfortunately, falling for it.
I can say that of those whom I know watch such shows, the majority of the men (many 35 +, earning or retired, and with decision-making power in their families) support such things because these shows at no point showcase the female lead actually telling them what she really ought to say about them.
Unfortunately, a lot of 35-55 mindset of women is also in this category.
Surprisingly, fewer grannies are in this group... they are actually more progressive (being more of the 70s and 80s mid-set) and don't agree with this, but watch it just because its TV and they've gotta watch some sh*t.
Unfortunately raising the TRPs.

So we have a 'back to square one' situation.
No progress, because for each step forward, there's two steps back.

Jayne

Udaan* - show in the late-eighties of a woman who aspires to be a police officer and achieves her dream...as a cop, she meets and feels a mutual attraction with a Judge (Shekhar Kapur! Then yummy!) , but that is a side story, in no way the main line of her achieving her dreams.
If you can find it on YouTube, its worth a watch.

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whatthewhat

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Posted: 12 years ago

#16

Originally posted by: Jayne

BTW, is it not a wonder that all these tracks are so tedious and utterly predictable to us?
The CVs for most of the shows are the same group and they keep churning out the same ol', same ol' year after year.
No creativity left.
They ought to change their designation to Garbage Recyclers.

Jayne

WORD!!!

I'm just amazed that they think they can get away with this crap...

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RandomSquared

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Posted: 12 years ago

#17

i think he is just attracted to her and has a weird attachment to her, i dont think he loves her yet

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Tas

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Posted: 12 years ago

#18

I agree with Jayne (some very good points!)

When you look at the show in more depth (I bet the CVs never expected us to do so :P), you'll see that the absence of tameez and lack of izzat that Asad has towards Zoya is truly unacceptable and extremely patronizing. Respect is such a critical factor in a relationship (on both sides). Showing a woman who falls for a man who does not respect her, but is in other ways attracted to her sends a wrong message to viewers whether male or female.

There's such a lack of respect I see in many relationships today, that it does not help to promote this on our shows either.

I agree with the other posters who recommend introducing another male lead (besides Ayaan) who is respectful of Zoya. I'd actually like to see that male lead be someone who she knows from NYC who has come to get her once her visa expires. It'd also show that just because we NRIs are not brought up in India, we are still respectful and cultured in our relationships.

Who is Asad to teach Zoya about tehzeeb, tameez when he shows neither of that for our dear and beloved Zoya.

Tas

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ArushiSagar

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Posted: 12 years ago

#19

Originally posted by: Jayne
The PH specializes in showing 'love' where the male lead verbally and physically abuses (slaps, grabs, shakes, bruises, etc.) the female lead...and she is supposed be very understanding, the forgive and forget kind.
In response, the PH's excuse for what the female lead does to the male lead is simply pranks, mischief, and so called problems in his daily life/work.
But at no point is the female lead allowed to question or put down the the male lead about his:
ego
family
work ethics
personal ethics
antecedents
character
integrity, etc.

All this and more is done by the male lead to the female lead, however.
This is the so-called 'love', from the POV of the PH and its CVs.
Mind you , majority of the CVs are usually male, and you can bet they will never write such dialogues or scenes into their shows.
Show a woman is strong and can stand her ground regarding her self-respect?
Women actually displaying and acting with intelligence?
Women saying 'so long' to disrespecting men and finding guys who really love and respect them?
Nevah!
The whole cultural institution would come crashing down!😲

I have seen this with Maan in Geet, and ASR in IPKKND.

So we have Ms. Farouqui, another 'strong' girl, who will only 'question' her guy when he is 'allows' it... who will 'stay within her bounds', and always respect him no matter if he treats her like so much rubbish.
'Love' has arrived.😕

Jayne

Jayne, you stole the words right out of my mouth!! I have been feeling the exact same way for the longest time...

The PH seems to portray its female leads as apparently strong modern women with a whole lot of bark but no bite. They really are vapid creatures, who throw off their strength and good sense out the window as soon as the male lead enters the picture. The male lead then sets about schooling them on how not to be so darn silly by essentially abusing them in every way possible. I find these sadomasochistic relationships extremely medieval and boring. India has come a long way since women were forced to be this way. I wish our film industry would keep pace with this progress..

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trina2010

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Posted: 12 years ago

#20

Originally posted by: Rin03
This is NOT Love.

No way, form or reason can you call this love. Love means respect and trust not the way he treats her.

He likes her, the attraction is strong and that's it.

What Zoya feels is love but maybe also it is due to lonliness, dependency and need for attention ane care of a family which is why she still goes after him even after all the shit he says or does.

EXACTLY. Its just strong attraction from Asads side. Not love.

But forum32 says AAK is a man in love? I doubt that because he is not showing any sign of BEING IN LOVE.