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Posted: 12 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: ChocolateCharms

Also I would like to add that it's only even 5 episodes and it's way too early to judge Asad. And even if he is going to be judged now then it shouldn't only be based on one single thing that he said! There are so many other things that he has said and done and the ones that Asma has mentioned!



One of the main reasons for making this thread was that I didn't want people to call Asad an orthodox just because of a single statement of his.
I forgot to mention this fact in the main post.
Thanks a lot dear for reminding me.
It's indeed quite early to make strong judgements about Asad's character.
His character is really layered and I think I'm going to discover something new about Asad every day.
Thanks a lot sweety for raising this mindblowing point.
Take care!
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Posted: 12 years ago
#52
Exactly right Asma :) I can totally understand Asad's POV of not allowing Najma to wear jeans, cos I myself have been in a similar situation. I live in the UK and my mom gives me all the freedom to wear and do whatever I want, but at the same time she maintains that line of limit too. There have been things (I'm not gonna indulge into details of what things specifically) that just like Najma I had wanted to do, solely cos my my friends were doing them and even though it would have put me out of my comfort zone I still wanted to do them to blend in with my friends and when I asked my mom she said a no straight away lol. Not because my mum is a hypocrite or something or she's orthodox, but cos she understand me well enough to know whether I'm doing something which is completely out of my comfort zone, for myself or for others and it's the same case with Asad and Najma. Initially I was pissed at my mum but then after when I gave it a thought I knew my mom was right. If I had actually wanted to do the thing for myself then I'm damn sure my mom would have agreed but the fact that I wanted to do simply for the reason my friends were doing it my mom didn't let me do it and if I have to change myself and my ways to blend in or please my friends then I'd rather not do it at all! Same case with Najma, she wanted to wear jeans and put herself out of her comfort zone just to please her friends and Asad knew that well that she wouldn't have been comfortable with it and doesn't allow her cos he understands her well. And the fact that she is asking Asad for permission, proves that she isn't capable of making some decisions herself and seeks her brother's guidance, who more than a brother is like a father figure for her.
I agree with what you're saying. My parents also give me freedom to wear what I want and do as I like but to a point. Like you, I also had friends who did things that I wanted to do like going out in the evening etc but my dad did exactly what Asad did- I'll drop you and pick you up or your brother will so that scene made me laugh... However, there are certain things that my parents wouldn't allow me to do and rightfully so as it's out of my comfort zone but wrong aswell. I remember when I was at school, my friend asked me to smoke and I said No! My brother advised me to stay away from people who try to force you to do things you don't want to. I'm independant enough to know what I want and shouldn't do so I don't do it... najma on the other hand seems to be reliant on others and incapable of deciding for herself what's right or wrong...
I don't judge people based on what they do but at times you have to ensure that you don't change yourself for others...Do what you think is right...
Edited by fly_chick - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#53
Exactly right Asma :) I can totally understand Asad's POV of not allowing Najma to wear jeans, cos I myself have been in a similar situation. I live in the UK and my mom gives me all the freedom to wear and do whatever I want, but at the same time she maintains that line of limit too. There have been things (I'm not gonna indulge into details of what things specifically) that just like Najma I had wanted to do, solely cos my my friends were doing them and even though it would have put me out of my comfort zone I still wanted to do them to blend in with my friends and when I asked my mom she said a no straight away lol. Not because my mum is a hypocrite or something or she's orthodox, but cos she understand me well enough to know whether I'm doing something which is completely out of my comfort zone, for myself or for others and it's the same case with Asad and Najma. Initially I was pissed at my mum but then after when I gave it a thought I knew my mom was right. If I had actually wanted to do the thing for myself then I'm damn sure my mom would have agreed but the fact that I wanted to do simply for the reason my friends were doing it my mom didn't let me do it and if I have to change myself and my ways to blend in or please my friends then I'd rather not do it at all! Same case with Najma, she wanted to wear jeans and put herself out of her comfort zone just to please her friends and Asad knew that well that she wouldn't have been comfortable with it and doesn't allow her cos he understands her well. And the fact that she is asking Asad for permission, proves that she isn't capable of making some decisions herself and seeks her brother's guidance, who more than a brother is like a father figure for her.
I agree with what you're saying. My parents also give me freedom to wear what I want and do as I like but to a point. Like you, I also had friends who did things that I wanted to do like going out in the evening etc but my daddid exactly what Asad did- I'll drop you and pick you up or your brother will so that scene made me laugh... However, there are certain things that my parents wouldn't allow me to do and rightfully so as it's out of my comfort zone but wrong aswell. I remember when I was at school, my friend asked me to smoke and I said No!My brother advised me to stay away from people who try to force you to do things you don't want to. I'm independant enough to know what I want and shouldn't do so I don't do it... najma on the other handseems to be reliant on others and incapable of deciding for herself what's right or wrong...
I don't judge people based on what they do but at times you have to ensure that you don't change yourself for others...Do what you think is right...



Thanks a lot for discussing your personal experience.
You are absolutely correct dear.One should do things which he feels like doing rather than wishing to please others.
I'm sure all of us have read the donkey and father son story in childhood.
It's nice that you could understand your mother's point of view finally.
I love your posts dear.
You write really well.
Keep sharing your views like this always.
What's ur name?
Take care!
Asma
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Posted: 12 years ago
#54
I dont know too much abt Islam
But Mens like Asad exists in society i guess PH wanna bring that character through Asad. He is quite decent , adorn with manners and still have backdated mentality . Thank god PH didnt make it a perfect character .Becoz he has seen soo much in life and had to make or run his family with his own effort so he thinks what ever he think is good for girls becoz he has seen many ups and downs in life .

But i guess zoya will make him understand that even girls can wear whatever they want . when Men can wear western dress why not girls Now there he needs zoya to change his this outdated mentality . and if PH make his character perfect then Zoya ka kya kaam 😉...
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Posted: 12 years ago
#55

Originally posted by: crazy4KASH_AR



One of the main reasons for making this thread was that I didn't want people to call Asad an orthodox just because of a single statement of his.
I forgot to mention this fact in the main post.
Thanks a lot dear for reminding me.
It's indeed quite early to make strong judgements about Asad's character.
His character is really layered and I think I'm going to discover something new about Asad every day.
Thanks a lot sweety for raising this mindblowing point.
Take care!


Its already said its a conservative family so i dont think Asad not letting nagma wear jeans would be a big issue /
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: fly_chick

I agree with what you're saying. My parents also give me freedom to wear what I want and do as I like but to a point. Like you, I also had friends who did things that I wanted to do like going out in the evening etc but my daddid exactly what Asad did- I'll drop you and pick you up or your brother will so that scene made me laugh... However, there are certain things that my parents wouldn't allow me to do and rightfully so as it's out of my comfort zone but wrong aswell. I remember when I was at school, my friend asked me to smoke and I said No!My brother advised me to stay away from people who try to force you to do things you don't want to. I'm independant enough to know what I want and shouldn't do so I don't do it... najma on the other handseems to be reliant on others and incapable of deciding for herself what's right or wrong...I don't judge people based on what they do but at times you have to ensure that you don't change yourself for others...Do what you think is right.



Exactly! Most girls these days are capable of knowing what's right and wrong and making the correct decisions for themselves, however there are still some girls out there who aren't capable of that and therefore rely on their family for guidance. One really has to put themselves in that situation to understand Asad's decision and for us it's easy, cos we have been through such situations ourselves, so we can easily relate to it. But others who are unaware of such things, it's hard for them to come to gist with his decision, hence they think he's wrong and being a hypocrite or an orthodox. But that's not really the case. The fact he allowed Najma to go to that place proves that he's not orthodox and if he was he wouldn't have allowed her to go in the first place!
Edited by ChocolateCharms - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#57

Originally posted by: rajsuasrkian

I dont know too much abt Islam


But Mens like Asad exists in society i guess PH wanna bring that character through Asad. He is quite decent , adorn with manners and still have backdated mentality . Thank god PH didnt make it a perfect character .Becoz he has seen soo much in life and had to make or run his family with his own effort so he thinks what ever he think is good for girls becoz he has seen many ups and downs in life .

But i guess zoya will make him understand that even girls can wear whatever they want . when Men can wear western dress why not girls Now there he needs zoya to change his this outdated mentality . and if PH make his character perfect then Zoya ka kya kaam😉...



Reserved.
I'll edit it a bit later
PS-I am sorry but don't remember cvs stating conservative family of Asad/Ayaan anywhere.
Calling Asda a conformist is quite wrong based on just 1 statement according to me.
I'll get back to you later.
Anyways I loved your views about Zoya mellowing down Asad's character..
Take care!
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Posted: 12 years ago
#58

Originally posted by: crazy4KASH_AR

Exactly right Asma :) I can totally understand Asad's POV of not allowing Najma to wear jeans, cos I myself have been in a similar situation. I live in the UK and my mom gives me all the freedom to wear and do whatever I want, but at the same time she maintains that line of limit too. There have been things (I'm not gonna indulge into details of what things specifically) that just like Najma I had wanted to do, solely cos my my friends were doing them and even though it would have put me out of my comfort zone I still wanted to do them to blend in with my friends and when I asked my mom she said a no straight away lol. Not because my mum is a hypocrite or something or she's orthodox, but cos she understand me well enough to know whether I'm doing something which is completely out of my comfort zone, for myself or for others and it's the same case with Asad and Najma. Initially I was pissed at my mum but then after when I gave it a thought I knew my mom was right. If I had actually wanted to do the thing for myself then I'm damn sure my mom would have agreed but the fact that I wanted to do simply for the reason my friends were doing it my mom didn't let me do it and if I have to change myself and my ways to blend in or please my friends then I'd rather not do it at all! Same case with Najma, she wanted to wear jeans and put herself out of her comfort zone just to please her friends and Asad knew that well that she wouldn't have been comfortable with it and doesn't allow her cos he understands her well. And the fact that she is asking Asad for permission, proves that she isn't capable of making some decisions herself and seeks her brother's guidance, who more than a brother is like a father figure for her.


I agree with what you're saying. My parents also give me freedom to wear what I want and do as I like but to a point. Like you, I also had friends who did things that I wanted to do like going out in the evening etc but my dad did exactly what Asad did- I'll drop you and pick you up or your brother will so that scene made me laugh... However, there are certain things that my parents wouldn't allow me to do and rightfully so as it's out of my comfort zone but wrong aswell. I remember when I was at school, my friend asked me to smoke and I said No!My brother advised me to stay away from people who try to force you to do things you don't want to. I'm independant enough to know what I want and shouldn't do so I don't do it... najma on the other hand seems to be reliant on others and incapable of deciding for herself what's right or wrong...
I don't judge people based on what they do but at times you have to ensure that you don't change yourself for others...Do what you think is right...



Thanks a lot for discussing your personal experience.
You are absolutely correct dear.One should do things which he feels like doing rather than wishing to please others.
I'm sure all of us have read the donkey and father son story in childhood.
It's nice that you could understand your mother's point of view finally.
I love your posts dear.
You write really well.
Keep sharing your views like this always.
What's ur name?
Take care!
Asma
Hey- you've opened up such a good post- I'd have to comment.
My names Zaria Ahmed.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: ChocolateCharms



Exactly! Most girls these days are capable of knowing what's right and wrong and making the correct decisions for themselves, however there are still some girls out there who aren't capable of that and therefore rely on their family for guidance. One really has to put themselves in that situation to understand Asad's decision and for us it's easy, cos we have been through such situations ourselves, so we can easily relate to it. But others who are unaware of such things, it's hard for them to come to gist with his decision, hence they think he's wrong and being a hypocrite or an orthodox. But that's not really the case. The fact he allowed Najma to go to that place proves that he's not orthodox and if he was he wouldn't have allowed her to go in the first place!

Exactly! He understands that she has to experience new things and do new stuff so he's given her the freedom to do that, but also wandts her to remain true to herself which is someething she's confused on doing. I agree with what he said that if to be friends with someone or to go somewhere, you have to change yourself then it's not worth it. Nothing is worth changing yourself over and true friends are those that love you for who you are and encourage you to remain true to yourself. I'm 19 years old and I know what's right and wrong so wouldn't need others to advise me whereas Najma seems to need others guidance and the fact that she didn't argue with Asad shows that she knows he'll do what's best for her...I'm an open minded individual but feel that even though parents give their child freedom, it's in their nature to worry. I'm always home at night- not really the sort of person who'll go out that late and my parents won't allow it aswell-especially if I'm on my own with friends but if my brother's out, my mum worries when he's a little late- it's in parents nature and Asad is a father to Najma aswell as her brother so he's bound to worry and be overly protective,,,
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Okay This Topic just needs to be ATBB. hehe But seriously I Love this post amd agree with everything you mentioned also the discussions are great :D

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