Interesting!!!! Is it really Moral? - Page 2

Originally posted by: CherryPrincess

wow!!!!!!!!! i couldn't have said this better!!!!!!!!!!!! even once before i myself had mentioned that we shouldn't think any king is bad........ cause every king does such things to save his kingdom and for his praja. it's considered bad only when he crosses his boundaries of morality somehow........ it's considered bad when he harasses his own Praja....... else, when the world is not good and is following such approaches of fraud, if u don't start doing it, someone would come and kill you in your sleep.

Biggest task of any king is towards his Praja and if he just thinks about honesty and morality, then he may neglect his biggest duty........... welfare of his kingdom........... wow!!!!!!!!!! wellsaid universe_megha.....

wow!!!!!! i can speak on both sides 😆

thank u!

even i think dat a King may nelect his duty if he keeps on thinking abt morality and ethics..but not that these values dint exist at that time. But yes, d times were of Kingdoms n Kings fought wars against each other frequently..then v can even debate all d killings due to these wars..loss of life, property. perhaps datz wat King Asoka realized but it was too late then.

i think v r in a better position to appreciate varous dialogues n scenes of Someshwar n Prithvi...regarding conflict between self n king (Prithvi as a human and Prithviraj Chauhan as Ajmer naresh).

Originally posted by: CherryPrincess

oh!!!!!!!!! bhimdev tried to kidnap Prithvi's mom????????? i missed that episode i guess😭

This was a part of Bhimdev's 5-step plan. Wen d person who saved Pratha frm horses got a chance to live in PRC's palace... Bhimdev planned to kidnap Kamaladevi. Jus wen Guj's soldiers were abt to do so after all Dwarpals of d mahal became unconscious on eating prasad...Shera (Kanha) noticed Gujarat's soldiers trying to enter d mahal n he killed many. Jus then Prithvi n his friends arrive at the scene...................

Seems like i'm giving an episode's written update 😆

do u remember d episode now?

oh thanks universe_megha, i had forgotten that episode fully! u r right!!!!!!

now back to our interesting debates of morality and kingdom, coincidently even i remembered exactly dialogues of someshwar and prithvi. Prithvi always was a human and a good person, but when his goodness, kindness was coming in a way of his kingdom's welfare, someshwar stepped in and told him........ "Ek Raja aur Ek Pita, Ek Beta,,,,,,,, ye do kaphi alag cheej hai..... Jab tum in dono me farak karna sikh jaooge, tab tum sahi Raja ban paooge"..........

chalo atleast now i m not objecting prithvi's deeds so strongly with this explanations, else i was in mental debate myself that how come a king who can forgive enemy 16 times, can take such low level approach?

wow! thank you all!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by: dee7

I agree with lashy that sometimes to win against evil you have to bend the rules like in Mahabharat. In the end the truth should always win.

I know that prithvi is killing bhimdev's strength but that is also to avoid death and loss of ajmer soldiers. He will come face to face with bhimdev in battle and not strike from behind like bhimdev did by trying to kidnap prithvi's mum.

Prithvi and Someshwar have witnessed Bhimdev's chals and 'kuta niti' so many times .... 1st, Bhimdev attacked Ajmer (don't know the reason???) and when Someshwar was about to kill him on the battle field, he asked for forgiveness and was forgiven;

....2nd, Bhimdev came to Ajmer as a friend and was welcomed full heartened, then he went away with Ajmer's Rajashya mohur by dhokha;

...3rd, he kept Prithvi away from Ajmer while attacking on Ajmer because he knew he can't defeat Ajmer if Someshwar and Prithvi are together....then on the battle field he played some trick and took Kanha Chauhan away from king Someshwar, and thus he succeeded to kill Someshwar ;

...4th, when Prithvi went for his father's asthi visarjan, he sent people to kill Prithvi and at the same time, sent people to the mahal to take Prithvi's mom hand cuffed and thus take over of Ajmer....

After seeing bhimdev's all these efforts, Prithvi had to do something to stop him!

I remember, after Prithvi got out of his talwar phobia when Pundir told that we should go straight - way to war, Prithvi told, with anger if you go on war, you'll not win...but we have to use our brains, so that before you go to the battle field, haar aur jeet ka faisla ho jaye ga....I think Prithvi told this because Bhimdev always doesn't stick to rules and play any kind of tricks to win!

In any war, I think the first thing we should see is 'intension' -

Bhimdev's intension was to take over of Ajmer by any means (so he can be compared with Ghori)

Prithvi's intension was to protect his kingdom and his people....and may be, he wanted to win the war with minimum loss of his soldiers

Yes, our mythology teaches us that - a lie, if told for some one's good, is far better than a truth!

...Prithvi's tricks are thus considered as better than Bhimdev's!

Bhimdev's son - just returned from gurukul and seems like a non-spoiled and saccha rajput....he doesn't have to be like his father!

Originally posted by: CherryPrincess

oh thanks universe_megha, i had forgotten that episode fully! u r right!!!!!! u r welcome dear!

now back to our interesting debates of morality and kingdom, coincidently even i remembered exactly dialogues of someshwar and prithvi. Prithvi always was a human and a good person, but when his goodness, kindness was coming in a way of his kingdom's welfare, someshwar stepped in and told him........ "Ek Raja aur Ek Pita, Ek Beta,,,,,,,, ye do kaphi alag cheej hai..... Jab tum in dono me farak karna sikh jaooge, tab tum sahi Raja ban paooge"..........

chalo atleast now i m not objecting prithvi's deeds so strongly with this explanations, else i was in mental debate myself that how come a king who can forgive enemy 16 times, can take such low level approach?

it was really nice to know that sumone else was also in d same conflict in which i was...gud dat u started this discussion! 👏

thx kashimani for such a detailed description. i fully agree to u here.

Bhimdev's intensions werent that good so he deserved what he got. moreover funny thing was that he himself had asked for forgiveness and when Someshwar forgave him, he wanted to take revenge for insulting him......... 😆 u urself first ask for it and then when ur enemy gives that to u, u say it was insult!!!!!!!!! clearly Prithvi's approach is justified hence, as the one who is in front of him is the king of evilness and to win it sometimes u also have to bend the rules of the game

Originally posted by: Kashimani

Prithvi and Someshwar have witnessed Bhimdev's chals and 'kuta niti' so many times .... 1st, Bhimdev attacked Ajmer (don't know the reason???) and when Someshwar was about to kill him on the battle field, he asked for forgiveness and was forgiven;

....2nd, Bhimdev came to Ajmer as a friend and was welcomed full heartened, then he went away with Ajmer's Rajashya mohur by dhokha;

...3rd, he kept Prithvi away from Ajmer while attacking on Ajmer because he knew he can't defeat Ajmer if Someshwar and Prithvi are together....then on the battle field he played some trick and took Kanha Chauhan away from king Someshwar, and thus he succeeded to kill Someshwar ;

...4th, when Prithvi went for his father's asthi visarjan, he sent people to kill Prithvi and at the same time, sent people to the mahal to take Prithvi's mom hand cuffed and thus take over of Ajmer....

After seeing bhimdev's all these efforts, Prithvi had to do something to stop him!

I remember, after Prithvi got out of his talwar phobia when Pundir told that we should go straight - way to war, Prithvi told, with anger if you go on war, you'll not win...but we have to use our brains, so that before you go to the battle field, haar aur jeet ka faisla ho jaye ga....I think Prithvi told this because Bhimdev always doesn't stick to rules and play any kind of tricks to win!

In any war, I think the first thing we should see is 'intension' -

Bhimdev's intension was to take over of Ajmer by any means (so he can be compared with Ghori)

Prithvi's intension was to protect his kingdom and his people....and may be, he wanted to win the war with minimum loss of his soldiers

Yes, our mythology teaches us that - a lie, if told for some one's good, is far better than a truth!

...Prithvi's tricks are thus considered as better than Bhimdev's!

Bhimdev's son - just returned from gurukul and seems like a non-spoiled and saccha rajput....he doesn't have to be like his father!

very well understood i must say! 👏

I agree as far as prevention of loss of life n property is concerned. But as regards intention i disagree wid u.

Yes, Bhimdev's intention was to take over Ajmer..to increase his territory by any means. His means r wrong but may be his aim is correct..welfare of his ppl. Itz a different issue dat Bhimdev has been portrayed a black character in the show..he may be having shades of white too. In those times a King was expected to aquire territory thru legitimate means..but Bhimdev dint do that..so i wud say his means was wrong and his intention may/may not be wrong.

As regards Prithvi, i think d reason hez in Gujarat weakening Bhimdev slowly n steadily is revenge. Welfare of his ppl will be automatic after Bhimdev dies, as there vil be less threat to Ajmer then.

The thing i mentioned in my previous post regarding Bhimdev's intention was abt the first war.

Bhimdev's intention was revenge as clearly pointed out by CherryPrincess after he was forgiven by Someshwar in the battlefield.

Originally posted by: CherryPrincess

thx kashimani for such a detailed description. i fully agree to u here.

Bhimdev's intensions werent that good so he deserved what he got. moreover funny thing was that he himself had asked for forgiveness and when Someshwar forgave him, he wanted to take revenge for insulting him......... 😆 u urself first ask for it and then when ur enemy gives that to u, u say it was insult!!!!!!!!! clearly Prithvi's approach is justified hence, as the one who is in front of him is the king of evilness and to win it sometimes u also have to bend the rules of the game

now megha and kashimani, u guys are making difficult for me to take any stand.......... let me be diplomatic then. speak on both sides? so i guess i would say no one is perfect, not even our dearest prithviraj chauhan....... and i very well agree that it's just the way they picture bhimdev in this serial, they intentionally dont show any good side of his to not to confuse viewers. but there may be something good on his side too.

so i would prefer to say that both had some wrong intentions (revenge) as well as good ones and both used some wrong means....... but at hte end it matters how good/evil one was and whether they had everything in balance.........

on prithvi's side, he is full of good deeds, so this one small wrong approach is negligible, but it would be reverse for bhimdev.......... btw forgot to mention that unlike bhimdev, prithvi didnt do everything stealthily.

1) bhattimedan: now all of us know he fought like a king, we can never say he attacked from back

2) vikram senapati: though we know that he is going to attack from back, but atleast he warned everyone taht wait, here i m coming. he told them to do their own preparations, so that he doesn't kill them in their sleep.......

after all everyone is human being!!!!!!!!!! aur koi itna bhi bura nahi hota jitna ham sochate hai........ aur na hi koi itna achha hota hai jitana hame lagata hai.............. everyone has both goodness and badness, but some just have unequal balance between the two😊 ofcourse prithvi is way full of goodness👏

Originally posted by: CherryPrincess

the way they picture bhimdev in this serial, they intentionally dont show any good side of his to not to confuse viewers. but there may be something good on his side too.

....exactly this... I once replied to you CherryPrincess, do you remember? I'll repeat it ....the serial is about PRC and so focus is on him and only Bhimdev's evilness was highlighted as he was evil to Ajmer, because Ajmer was his enemy....BUT that doesn't mean that he didn't do anything noble for his own people!

on prithvi's side, he is full of good deeds, so this one small wrong approach is negligible, but it would be reverse for bhimdev..........

Doesn't everything works like this even now?....a person is called good or bad depending on mostly how he acts....not how he acts seldom.

MeghaUniverse, I still think Prithvi's intension was good as he did all these to stop Bhimdev from harming his kingdom further....and he had to protect his kingdom and wealth....but definitely, this time he took the tricky way as Bhimdev did, not a straight forward way.