If Pratigya wasn't present - Page 2

Originally posted by: a_uma

All his life Krishna has been conditioned by the behaviour of his father and brother, for him beating up the womenfolk of the house is as common as any other domestic chore......
also since he is uneducated, he never got alternate inputs from any other source.....

It was only when he married Prats he saw a diff aspect of family life (saxsenas)......
moreover, he saw a diff type of woman.... Pratigya..... educated, bold, honest, righteous.....

I would give him the benefit of doubt.....it is not easy to change a lifelong mindset overnight....
but he is getting there with Prats help.....and it is not proper to compare Kesar and Pratigya in Krishna's POV.... for him Kesar is just his bro's wife, he has just a distant affection for her...
whereas Prats is the love of his life... he would do anything for her..... he would obviously react differently if Prats was being harmed.....

Originally posted by: Relda

The way I feel is that compassion and empathy for suffering human beings is an innate, indelible characteristic , not imparted by formal education or surrounding set-ups. You either have the milk of human kindness flowing through your veins or you are immured against all sights and sounds that beseech your sympathy and understanding as a fellow human being. Kesar might be a distant relative but he is dispassionate about even his own mother being thrashed regularly. Even if he had grown up in this barbaric household as a witness to all the atrocities being meted out to the womenfolk, he is an adult now. If he were so pragmatic as people are saying he is does that mean that he has to strip himself bare of any vestige of human compassion? It is not a zero-sum game that you can either stand with the victim and forget about everyone else or you completely ignore the victim's sufferings and worry only about the immediate legal predicaments.

Originally posted by: dhakarn

excellent post...............👏👏👏.i too was a bit uneasy that krishna just doesn't care about kesar...........but its his nature......the only persons he care about in the whole world is pratigya and his bauji.........see he is more concerned about his bauji's pride than his mother's sufferings......even if he cares for his mother it is because she is sajjan singh's patni........just my POV..........we r giong to see his complete u trun against his family only and only if when he comes to know that pratigya is in some trouble.......if not for her he just won't care who lives or who dies......he only has stood for the cause of good when pratigya or her family was in trouble.........and he thinks it is only his right to do anything to pratigya....like hw he defends her in front of the world but fights or bashes her once inside the privacy of his room..................but having said that, i would like to add that i still love krishna......😳

Of course we all love krishna, that is why we are ambitious for him! 😛 Are you satisfied with a Krishna who cannot make tough choices or are we hoping for him to realise his full potential?

Originally posted by: a_uma

Behaviour IS based on culture and conditioning..... everyone has human kindness and compassion in varying degrees...... people sympathise with starving children in Africa but how many actually do something about it ???

In Afghanistan women go about covered from head to toe, they cannot be educated, they have no property, they cannot even go outside the house without a male member of the family.....
the same things would cause horrified reactions in India or the West.....

you see, it IS a matter of culture and conditioning...... the people in Afghanistan may know that injustice is being done to their women and sympathise, but who will protest, who will go against the tide ????

Originally posted by: Relda

Thanks for your seasoned and considerate reply. I am always scared to post anything which might seem like a Krishna criticism on these boards.

Yes, of course I agree that most people go with the flow, being conditiond by their upbringing and societal mores and do not like to be an iconoclast in trying to change the way things are.

But, I am not talking about taking on the society and trying to change its customs and rules. I am talking about compassion for a famiy member who has suffered the most horrific and brutal assault and who is right now all alone and desperate, without any support or strength from any one else other than Pratigya. I mean Krishna was more concerned about Piyassia after the electrocution episode than about Kesar right now. I find it glaringly disconcerting that Kesar's well-being is practically non-existent in his list of priorities. Just a quiet, sympathetic visit to her without delving into the FIR and blame game issues would have been more in keeping with a character who is the purported "hero" of a show.

Just my views..please no offence.

Originally posted by: a_uma

Behaviour IS based on culture and conditioning..... everyone has human kindness and compassion in varying degrees...... people sympathise with starving children in Africa but how many actually do something about it ???

In Afghanistan women go about covered from head to toe, they cannot be educated, they have no property, they cannot even go outside the house without a male member of the family.....
the same things would cause horrified reactions in India or the West.....

you see, it IS a matter of culture and conditioning...... the people in Afghanistan may know that injustice is being done to their women and sympathise, but who will protest, who will go against the tide ????
Which is why in this particular instance I gave Krishna the benefit of doubt....

Originally posted by: Dyehard

Uma, Relda, my take is that by doing a Pratigya vs Krishna reading we are losing the plot . Yes, there is resistance on Krishna's part to be won over to the right side, (P's side is undoubtedly the right side, no two ways about that) but it is the resistance of deep conditioning. It is this attrition that is the greatest charm of the show.
Unless, K who is a product of his entire context and conditioning is shown to change at every level, in his beliefs and his attitudes, how are they ever going to ever show the triumph of goodness? Sending a few baddies to jail is really not as satisfying to watch as the unfurling of a golden heart. It has unfurled for Pratigya, now it will unfurl for goodness, righteousness and justice. All in good time, though!😉

And Relda, the milk flows, it does. Just give him the time to eliminate the poison from the Ksheerasagara! Manthan karne mein tho samay lagta hai na? Our Baba will hold it in his Kanth and realise only the purest exilir! Faith, ye deare ones!